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Cub Porn nominated for Ursa Major Awards.

Shokuji

Member
Even if it is nicely drawn and "Sugarcoated" it still considered to be Child pornography.
First: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images

Second: Are NC/Rape pics really an act of rape? Is guro/snuff an act of murder? Is non-anthro an act of bestiality?

at least it seems to be about the overall quality and the storyline (is there a storyline...? i hope so^^'') and not the pornographic content itself.
You pretty much got it. Also, Finding Avalon was mostly story based, Softpaw was mostly yiff but it still usually had some sort of rolling story. Either way, it's really not as horrible as people think. But don't take my word for it, I'm sure you can pirate it like everyone else has.

I always thought cub porn was illegal. Since it was like shota-com? (con maybe?) or whatever...
Nope. Not real, not humans, case closed.
 

Irreverent

Member

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
Nope. Not real, not humans, caseYou closed.

If it has anything, drawn, sculpted, photographed, fiction or non fiction performing sexual acts, it is still kiddie porn.
Cub porn counts.

First: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images

Second: Are NC/Rape pics really an act of rape? Is guro/snuff an act of murder? Is non-anthro an act of bestiality?

If the intents two cubs having sex, then yes it is cub porn. nothing surreal about it. If the intent is what it is made out to be for the subject matter, then that's its intent. Such as a photo of a man fucking a dog, or a Anthro bear cub having sex with an adult wolf.

But then again, blind ignorance goes to those who support it.
 
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Trpdwarf

Lurking in Castle Moats
First: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images

Second: Are NC/Rape pics really an act of rape? Is guro/snuff an act of murder? Is non-anthro an act of bestiality?

You pretty much got it. Also, Finding Avalon was mostly story based, Softpaw was mostly yiff but it still usually had some sort of rolling story. Either way, it's really not as horrible as people think. But don't take my word for it, I'm sure you can pirate it like everyone else has.

Nope. Not real, not humans, case closed.

Open your mind a bit. It would help.

As the law states right now, in may places in America and in places outside the US, any form of art/medium that depicts a minor preforming sexually explicit acts is considered child-porn, and therefore illegal. Wether you furries realize it or not, or want to admit or now, your cub porn will before the law be seen as child porn because it involves what is intended to be minors.

It does not matter to them that the "cartoon" creations are not real.
It is anthro animals that are young, considered minorities, and they are being drawn doing sexually explicit acts.

Cub porn, as it's basic, is nothing more than children preforming sexually explicit acts, and yes they are children, they would be children if we all were actually anthro animal characters, those children characters drawn in explicit acts would be no different than humans drawing human children doing sexually explicit acts.

I still don't understand with recent rulings in FA why he (dragoneer) continues to endanger fa's existence by allowing cub porn but that's me. You have to look at how law makers and such are going to look at it, even if it does not hurt anyone except the image of the fandom when a child porn cartoon book gets the major furry award...which I really hope does not happen. Come on furries be better than this. Porn is not art! So why should the Ursa Major Awards go to pure smut?

In any case this all would not be an issue if more of you kept your fetish's private, and then we would not have to worry about stuff like the law so much.
 
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Bunneh45

Accidentally a coke bottle
Honestly there is nothing wrong with pedophilia as long as you don't actually go and screw a kid. I don't think cartoons of this type of thing should be a problem.

But its on legally-shaky ground and it will cast furries on a bad light (not that they are in a good light to begin with), so please don't vote for these guys.

This would be an awesome prank /b/ could pull, though, mass-voting for it.
 

CaptainCool

Lady of the lake
Honestly there is nothing wrong with pedophilia as long as you don't actually go and screw a kid.

not really... the child porn had to be made first, right? jerking of to the miserable fate of young children is just as bad in my opinion!
 

Takun

Wof Wof Wof Wof Wof
If cub porn is illegal, it should be removed from FA so that millions of furries aren't arrested for clicking on links. =o

/yeah, I've clicked a thumbnail and had it pop up as underage. =|
 

Bellini Tabloid

whatcha say? that's cool...
Honestly there is nothing wrong with pedophilia as long as you don't actually go and screw a kid. I don't think cartoons of this type of thing should be a problem.

Point is that your promoting this behavior, so it will be inevitable for a pedo to resist the actual contact with kiddies.
 

Bunneh45

Accidentally a coke bottle
Are you guys fucking idiots?

Being a pedophile isn't criminal behavior. Being a sexual predator/offender is.

Learn the difference for god sake. There is no harm in being attracted to kids as long as you don't DO ANYTHING TO THEM.

Pure idiocy...
 

Takun

Wof Wof Wof Wof Wof
Are you guys fucking idiots?

Being a pedophile isn't criminal behavior. Being a sexual predator/offender is.

Learn the difference for god sake. There is no harm in being attracted to kids as long as you don't DO ANYTHING TO THEM.

Pure idiocy...


If you look at child porn, somebody is making it for you. If there was no demand, there would be no supply.
 

OssumPawesome

Ossumest Possumest
Are you guys fucking idiots?

Being a pedophile isn't criminal behavior. Being a sexual predator/offender is.

Learn the difference for god sake. There is no harm in being attracted to kids as long as you don't DO ANYTHING TO THEM.

Pure idiocy...

You pedophiles are so cute when you're angry.

Allowing pedophilia to go unchallenged in the public discourse provides a cultural shelter for other pedophiles, some of whom are rapists.

You may not like it, but you're helping children get raped even if you're not looking at child porn.

And I doubt that someone who is such a passionate pedophile isn't.
 
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Jashwa

Member
Are you guys fucking idiots?

Being a pedophile isn't criminal behavior. Being a sexual predator/offender is.

Learn the difference for god sake. There is no harm in being attracted to kids as long as you don't DO ANYTHING TO THEM.

Pure idiocy...
Umm...yes it is? Haven't you ever heard of anyone that got arrested for having child porn on their computer or distributing it?
 

Bunneh45

Accidentally a coke bottle
Ugh for the love of god.

1) I'm not a pedophile
2) I'm a minor, its not even possible for me to be a pedophile
3) I don't look at or like child porn
4) I never said the porn was legal, being attracted to children is legal (but definitely a bummer, and definitely illegal if you approach a kid sexually)
5) I said that besides the fact that child porn is illegal and shouldn't be done, I don't see anything harmful about it.

Now, I'm not too sure about #5 and you can convince me that I'm wrong, just keep your heads for god sake. "you pedophiles", "you're helping children get raped", "you look at child porn"... cmon.

Pedophilia is the sexual fetish where you are attracted to little kids
Sex Offenders, Predators are the criminals who actually go and harm kids because of it

Pedophilia is not a crime
Being a sexual offender, predator is.

Thinking about doing something is not a crime.
Actually doing it is.

Thinking about things is not a crime, doing them is a crime. Watching movies full of gore is not a crime, going out and murdering people is a crime.

I would hope people would be more open minded and actually thought about some things. I never said pedophilia was good, I never said child porn was legal.

All I wanted to do was make sure you guys understood the difference between pedophilia and actually raping kids, and I get this close-minded hate for no reason whatsoever.

How come every single comment I make anywhere that involves a little thinking and reasoning escalates into a fight? I'll just not bother with these threads anymore. Most furries are idiots when it comes to politics it seems.
 
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OssumPawesome

Ossumest Possumest
Ugh for the love of god.

1) I'm not a pedophile
We can't be sure, now can we?

2) I'm a minor, its not even possible for me to be a pedophile
Doesn't matter. If you're using your strict 'One who is attracted to children' definition, the age of the pedophile doesn't matter.

3) I never said it was legal
You said that being a pedophile wasn't illegal. The opposite of illegal is legal.


4) I never said the porn was legal, being attracted to children is legal (but definitely a bummer)
Oh look, something we can agree on.
5) I said that besides the fact that it is illegal and shouldn't be done, I don't see anything harmful about it.
See above post.
Now, I'm not too sure about #5 and you can convince me that I'm wrong, just keep your heads for god sake. "you pedophiles", "you're helping children get raped", "you look at child porn"... cmon.
You'll have to forgive us. If it argues like a pedophile, bawws like a pedophile and rages like a pedophile, then it's probably...

Well, you know.

Pedophilia is the sexual fetish where you are attracted to little kids
Sex Offenders, Predators are the criminals who actually go and harm kids because of it

Thinking about things is not a crime, doing them is a crime. Watching movies full of gore is not a crime, going out and murdering people is a crime.

I would hope people would be more open minded and actually thought about some things. I never said pedophilia was good, I never said child porn was legal.
Learn the difference for god sake. There is no harm in being attracted to kids as long as you don't DO ANYTHING TO THEM.
Those are horrible analogies.

This would be like saying "There is no harm in consistently having thoughts of brutally murdering your neighbor"

Of course there's harm in consistently fantasizing about killing someone. There might not be physical harm, but you're definitely a creepy motherfucker.

I would hope people would be more open minded and actually thought about some things. I never said pedophilia was good, I never said child porn was legal.

All I wanted to do was make sure you guys understood the difference between pedophilia and actually raping kids, and I get this close-minded hate for no reason whatsoever.

How come every single comment I make anywhere that involves a little thinking and reasoning escalates into a fight? I'll just not bother with these threads anymore. Most furries are idiots when it comes to politics it seems.

You're the one that came screaming into the thread calling everyone else fucking idiots.
 

Ceuper

The Bucket of Truth
How come every single comment I make anywhere that involves a little thinking and reasoning escalates into a fight? I'll just not bother with these threads anymore. Most furries are idiots when it comes to politics it seems.

Dude, I love your input, from what I've seen. Don't stop because of the hatin', man! :smile: Though I'd stay away from calling other people fucking idiots, it's not very professional.

As for pedophilia, some people have exclusive paraphilias based around it. They got fucked up as kids, most likely, and now they can't help it. Better for them to have an outlet with porn, I say. They still need to get help and this is no excuse not to.

Some people can help it and make the choice to be attracted to kids, anthro or not. I strongly disagree with this and these people should get some damned help.

I don't think that cub porn should be as available as it is, if at all. The more people are exposed to the stuff, the more people are going to like it. More pedophiles. I wonder how many pedophiles go for cub porn because you can't find the human stuff anywhere? I did say that some people can't help it but they should draw their own shit or keep it in their head.

I don't want cub porn to be available at all, ideally. I definitely do not want it to represent the fandom, by obvious extension. Very shitty.

Those are my thoughts on this.
 

Bunneh45

Accidentally a coke bottle
Um, I was just offended by being called a pedophile and stupid, is that ok?

Also, let me clarify that I meant #3 to say that pedophilia is not illegal

You agreed to #4 and #5, which was all I was arguing, sorry if I was a bit unclear. So that means we are at an agreement?

Of course I think pedophilia is a horrible thing to have, and fantasizing about killing your neighbor is an awful way to live, but no one else is being hurt by it. Now, that person should definitely seek help but no one else is harmed...

I did not come into this thread screaming, I stated my opinion and then that got called the most stupidest comment ever made among other things, and I got offended, like most human beings would when being called stupid, and showed it. Sorry I started this mess, but it would be nice if people like you didn't jump to conclusions.

I'm 16, btw, going through high school. If that is not good enough for you, then sorry, because I can't do anything to prove it. I shouldn't have to either.

I hope this is cleared up now? Can we have a more civil discussion now? I promise to stop calling you fucking idiots and I'll put away my red marker :p

I predict the type of discussion I am having will become a major one once the gay marriage thing is settled to a point. I was hoping to have this discussion and I got a fist in the face. I understand this is a bit of a liberal point of view, thinking that drawn child porn shouldn't be illegal (which I really don't have any strong feelings about and I can probably be convinced because I am not too sure about this), but I expect to have more respect than this. I understand that I am peeling away tons and tons and tons of social stigma and very very heated negativity towards pedophiles (for good reason) to look at the issue objectively, but I expect to have more respect than this.

Edit: Aww Ceuper, music to my ears. Finally someone agrees. Thanks :)
I agree that I was being a bit unprofessional, but you are pretty much talking the same way I did, bolding things and calling things "very shitty". :p I'll take your advice, though, because I get angered easily and have started countless arguments in other threads because of simple, passive, opinions about things and when people react negatively to them I get a little bit too defensive.
 
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Defcat

Deaf spelled wrong...
Are you guys fucking idiots?

Being a pedophile isn't criminal behavior. Being a sexual predator/offender is.

Learn the difference for god sake. There is no harm in being attracted to kids as long as you don't DO ANYTHING TO THEM.

Pure idiocy...

I think this just trumped your first idiotic post.

If you feel like continueing putting your dumbassery on display then be my guest, but I would sudggest not making yourself look like even more of a sicko.
 
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