Mircea
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Re: Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting Ju
Sounds fun :3
Sounds fun :3
Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting July!
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Randy-Darkshade
Bike riding squirrel thing.
Re: Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting Ju
You accused me of simple closed minded thinking when you have more than once, ignored mine, Term's and many other users valid points. Term has even explained why ISP's wouldn't just outright ban users from the internet because then they would loose customers and money. And as you said yourself corporations "are greedy" and wouldn't want to risk loosing money unless their was no other option.
As I have said before you, my friend are worrying about nothing like many others are.
You accused me of simple closed minded thinking when you have more than once, ignored mine, Term's and many other users valid points. Term has even explained why ISP's wouldn't just outright ban users from the internet because then they would loose customers and money. And as you said yourself corporations "are greedy" and wouldn't want to risk loosing money unless their was no other option.
As I have said before you, my friend are worrying about nothing like many others are.
Mircea
Active Member
Re: Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting Ju
A reason I ignored you and Term was because (especially in his case) you seemed like you were taking it personally and getting pissed at me instead. Usually I stop paying attention or bothering much at that point. But I read your latest posts, and saw your points. Yes, ok, this isn't really as bad as I first thought it is when I posted the thread. Like I said I have reasons to be paranoid, and now I'm more clear on this given I read more info overall. Thanks for all the info.
On a separate note, I would like to inform everyone of something even more important. CISPA is going to expire soon and will be voted in the senate. Everyone who is against it is strongly advised to call their senators ASAP and ask them to not vote on it. I'm not going to give doomsday warnings about this (although I consider it far worse than the ISP initiative) nor feel like debating more about it now... so I'm just informing you in case you are against this and wish to prevent it while there's still time. Also, as usual, please spread the word and re-post about this so everyone knows (again if you're against it and have reasons to consider it bad).
A reason I ignored you and Term was because (especially in his case) you seemed like you were taking it personally and getting pissed at me instead. Usually I stop paying attention or bothering much at that point. But I read your latest posts, and saw your points. Yes, ok, this isn't really as bad as I first thought it is when I posted the thread. Like I said I have reasons to be paranoid, and now I'm more clear on this given I read more info overall. Thanks for all the info.
On a separate note, I would like to inform everyone of something even more important. CISPA is going to expire soon and will be voted in the senate. Everyone who is against it is strongly advised to call their senators ASAP and ask them to not vote on it. I'm not going to give doomsday warnings about this (although I consider it far worse than the ISP initiative) nor feel like debating more about it now... so I'm just informing you in case you are against this and wish to prevent it while there's still time. Also, as usual, please spread the word and re-post about this so everyone knows (again if you're against it and have reasons to consider it bad).
Mircea
Active Member
Re: Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting Ju
Although I've been bringing a lot of "related news" to this thread since the initial discussion, I again received some shocking news from EFF by email (they're a serious source of information) about a potential revive of the actual SOPA / PIPA.
http://act.demandprogress.org/act/vs_hollywood/?referring_akid=.661516.qyUGJ6&source=typ-tw
It appears Hollywood is trying to shut down all cloud websites. Basically, it wishes to take down Youtube, Google Drive, and all cloud services out there, the same way Megaupload was removed. The article mentions them trying to circumvent congress so they can force their law through without a vote. What this means is most major websites which allow file storage would be gone... and we are back at SOPA as we know it.
This comes just a few days after I heard about the ISP initiative and an update on CISPA. Jesus Christ... has the world gone completely mad? Are those groups desperate beyond limit to shut down this internet? They now want sites like Youtube to disappear forever... who almost entirely addressed the issue of copyright material being uploaded. Is this even about copyright any more, or is that just a pretext?
Yeah, I agree... this is an outright war with the entertainment industry at this point. I don't feel like fueling the fire here so people can jump to their own conclusion... I just found the article and linked it. There will probably be more information soon, and if that's true likely another blackout. Feel free to re-post this post anywhere without asking.
Although I've been bringing a lot of "related news" to this thread since the initial discussion, I again received some shocking news from EFF by email (they're a serious source of information) about a potential revive of the actual SOPA / PIPA.
http://act.demandprogress.org/act/vs_hollywood/?referring_akid=.661516.qyUGJ6&source=typ-tw
It appears Hollywood is trying to shut down all cloud websites. Basically, it wishes to take down Youtube, Google Drive, and all cloud services out there, the same way Megaupload was removed. The article mentions them trying to circumvent congress so they can force their law through without a vote. What this means is most major websites which allow file storage would be gone... and we are back at SOPA as we know it.
This comes just a few days after I heard about the ISP initiative and an update on CISPA. Jesus Christ... has the world gone completely mad? Are those groups desperate beyond limit to shut down this internet? They now want sites like Youtube to disappear forever... who almost entirely addressed the issue of copyright material being uploaded. Is this even about copyright any more, or is that just a pretext?
Yeah, I agree... this is an outright war with the entertainment industry at this point. I don't feel like fueling the fire here so people can jump to their own conclusion... I just found the article and linked it. There will probably be more information soon, and if that's true likely another blackout. Feel free to re-post this post anywhere without asking.
thoron
Member
Re: Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting Ju
This seems more like a petition to have the files of megauploads released back to thier owners. I'm not seeing any links to any sort of article or document that is actually stating that Hollywood is aiming to stut all these websites down. It only brings up megauploads.
This seems more like a petition to have the files of megauploads released back to thier owners. I'm not seeing any links to any sort of article or document that is actually stating that Hollywood is aiming to stut all these websites down. It only brings up megauploads.
Mircea
Active Member
Re: Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting Ju
Ah, ok. Good thing I didn't panic as much about this one as much. It seems like it's talking about a law because of what it says in the content and the first lines, and that the email about it was sent today.
Ah, ok. Good thing I didn't panic as much about this one as much. It seems like it's talking about a law because of what it says in the content and the first lines, and that the email about it was sent today.
Recel
Mamma Yeena
Re: Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting Ju
I actually didn't read the entire thread. It got too "emotional" and "heated". So I'll just drop my general opinion on this thing.
With every one of these laws, and every reaction to it was based around a worse case scenario. No, the government wont want to get their hands on every ones porn archives... Even if that would be their goal it would require an absurd amount of work to monitor all the people using the internet, witch makes it kind of not happen any time soon. Maybe they would nit pick a few people they "bump into". About closing sites, again, too much to monitor. The popular sites could be good targets, but even if they would shoot down one, another copycat would rise, and become popular again. So again it wouldn't be smart, because you would just put a lot of effort into an uphill battle while you are constantly pissing off people. Not something you want to have your name near, is it? So personally I'm not worried about loosing my internet. They could make it worse for me, but the effort they would have to place into it is too much to be a likely option.
With (almost) all of these bills, the main concern shouldn't be an extreme scenario, but instead the fact that governments (not just yours mind you) try to sneak laws past. Why? Because you can't have an opinion about a law you don't even know about. I sure wouldn't like to go to jail because a law that just popes into the book from one day to the other. Sure, again, most likely they would announce the law once it passed, witch makes it slightly better, but its still a way to stop people from reacting to a law.
So why try to stop laws that are getting smuggled in, instead of trying to stop the government from smuggling any law under your nose? I know it sounds crazy to actually protest against the source of the problem, how dare I even think of such foolishness! But maybe it would work if people would try.
I actually didn't read the entire thread. It got too "emotional" and "heated". So I'll just drop my general opinion on this thing.
With every one of these laws, and every reaction to it was based around a worse case scenario. No, the government wont want to get their hands on every ones porn archives... Even if that would be their goal it would require an absurd amount of work to monitor all the people using the internet, witch makes it kind of not happen any time soon. Maybe they would nit pick a few people they "bump into". About closing sites, again, too much to monitor. The popular sites could be good targets, but even if they would shoot down one, another copycat would rise, and become popular again. So again it wouldn't be smart, because you would just put a lot of effort into an uphill battle while you are constantly pissing off people. Not something you want to have your name near, is it? So personally I'm not worried about loosing my internet. They could make it worse for me, but the effort they would have to place into it is too much to be a likely option.
With (almost) all of these bills, the main concern shouldn't be an extreme scenario, but instead the fact that governments (not just yours mind you) try to sneak laws past. Why? Because you can't have an opinion about a law you don't even know about. I sure wouldn't like to go to jail because a law that just popes into the book from one day to the other. Sure, again, most likely they would announce the law once it passed, witch makes it slightly better, but its still a way to stop people from reacting to a law.
So why try to stop laws that are getting smuggled in, instead of trying to stop the government from smuggling any law under your nose? I know it sounds crazy to actually protest against the source of the problem, how dare I even think of such foolishness! But maybe it would work if people would try.
Term_the_Schmuck
Most Interesting Man on FAF
Re: Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting Ju
You probably should have read a bit more of the thread Recel.
Because this isnt a bill and the government's not involved. This is a policy being unilaterally enacted across a couple of ISPs.
You probably should have read a bit more of the thread Recel.
Because this isnt a bill and the government's not involved. This is a policy being unilaterally enacted across a couple of ISPs.
Recel
Mamma Yeena
Re: Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting Ju
And I even read that... I wonder where I keep my brain at times like these.
And that where can I get a new one instead of this defective one.
And I even read that... I wonder where I keep my brain at times like these.
And that where can I get a new one instead of this defective one.
ScaredToBreathe
Special Snowflake
Conker
Destroyer of Nazi Teddy Bears
Re: Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting Ju
I asked my friend if he has torrented anything since this shit started. He said he had and his ISP never called him or bitched or anything.
So I'm not really sure if that's dependent on your ISP or what. I haven't torrented anything, but I've sort of stopped doing that anyhow now that I have a job
The thing is, torrenting by itself isn't illegal, but I haven't read much of this thread and am kind of posting out of my ass here.
I asked my friend if he has torrented anything since this shit started. He said he had and his ISP never called him or bitched or anything.
So I'm not really sure if that's dependent on your ISP or what. I haven't torrented anything, but I've sort of stopped doing that anyhow now that I have a job
The thing is, torrenting by itself isn't illegal, but I haven't read much of this thread and am kind of posting out of my ass here.
Re: Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting Ju
Hahahhaha that's funny. Very funny.
You think that they won't find a way to make it world-wide?
Hahahhaha that's funny. Very funny.
Gryphoneer
20 Quatloos on "disruptive"
Re: Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting Ju
They spy out all of us with ECHELON for half a century.
Randy-Darkshade
Bike riding squirrel thing.
Re: Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting Ju
You think that we are not spied on anyway? HA!
ISP's know exactly what we are doing and when we do it.
Even pubs are spied on. the company that owns my favourite pub Knows when a pint is pulled every single time. Each pump is computerized which sends information back to the main HQ
So yeah, we get spied on anyway.
You think that we are not spied on anyway? HA!
ISP's know exactly what we are doing and when we do it.
Even pubs are spied on. the company that owns my favourite pub Knows when a pint is pulled every single time. Each pump is computerized which sends information back to the main HQ
So yeah, we get spied on anyway.