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Does Backlash Against Cub Seem To Be Increasing?

What is the backlash against cub?


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Mikazuki Marazhu

I hate you all
I (myself) am a firm believer that "cub porn" is a form of artistic expression..
You have got to be kidding me.
Never mind cub art but cub porn? I'm going to fucking lose my mind.

Another thing that pisses me off is how people here can just brush off a person who have waaaaaay more experience in this matter. If you don't have a diploma and years of hands on experience to boot, please fuck off and when you get there fuck off from there too. Then fuck off some more. Keep fucking off until you get back here, then fuck off again >:V
 

Zhalo

Rez the Wolfdog
Another thing that pisses me off is how people here can just brush off a person who have waaaaaay more experience in this matter. If you don't have a diploma and years of hands on experience to boot, please fuck off and when you get there fuck off from there too. Then fuck off some more. Keep fucking off until you get back here, then fuck off again >:V
Yes I agree we should completely disregard and ignore anyone's opinion who is not some kind of "expert" on a topic. (But I'm not an expert on the topic of disregarding opinions so you should just ignore my above opinion)
 

TrishaCat

The Cat in the FAF
Drawings are, by their nature art, pornographic or no. They can be analyzed for style, criticized for proportions, use of color theory, detail, etc. If you draw something, no matter what it is, it's a form of artistic expression. People even call such drawings cub "art", right? People commission "artists" to draw "art". It would be insulting to artists all over to disregard the time and effort they put into their drawings just because of what is being depicted in the drawings themselves, cub art or no.

Also I appreciate Garth's posts in this thread especially and find them interesting and informative. I don't think anyone is necessarily brushing his posts off even whilst disagreeing. But his experience is with criminals such as those who have harmed children. Is that necessarily directly related to the topic? (not that his experience is any less informative regarding the nature and treatment of pedophiles and I absolutely do not mean to imply that his opinion isn't important, because it definitely is)
 
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Haru Totetsu

Commissioner
there was a post a few pages back that had a guy who actually worked with pedophiles explain the psychology and his own experiences with it.
basically no, it doesnt help, and in fact makes it worse.
One guy talking to a few pedo's doesn't make a study that has explored the dynamic and drastic nuances of human psychology. Which again is an example of you and people like you being the real problem. There are people with paedophilia desires that don't want to act on them and are struggling with their sexuality and instead of them being able to just talk about it and get the help they need, people like those that are so quick to judge an image of a fictional character as equal to that of a real human being, convince them to keep to themselves, only ever opening up with other paedophiles, usually the type that has and will commit the most atrocious acts towards actual children who then motivate the more timid and scared with those desires to not push those feeling and desires away or to seek help, but act on them.

With that in mind its just as likely you and those with your opinion going on such tirades have made just as many paedophiles as cub porn may have done. Which is conjecture...there's no basis for it because there's no actual studies done. So my original point stands. Which in case it wasn't obvious its that no-one knows what the heck they're talking about because no one's looked into it. heck even if we did the results would either be corrupted by the most vile pedo's in the world, who just happen to be in positions of power or wealth, or they're corrupted by people like Zrcalo and everyone else whose very anti-cub porn corrupting the evidence to "protect the children" even though the whole point of the study would be to find out how best to protect children from such actions.

So far the only one that seems to understand no-one knows how to really look at this is Lcs whose summed up the topic beautifully.
 

Katook

Well-Known Member
You have got to be kidding me.
Never mind cub art but cub porn? I'm going to fucking lose my mind.

Another thing that pisses me off is how people here can just brush off a person who have waaaaaay more experience in this matter. If you don't have a diploma and years of hands on experience to boot, please fuck off and when you get there fuck off from there too. Then fuck off some more. Keep fucking off until you get back here, then fuck off again >:V


What are your qualifications in this topic? And unless you know how to draw, you can't claim pornographic works are not art as they do take artistic skill, foundations, knowledge of colour theory, proportion, perspective, composition, ANATOMY!!!
Then claiming those who do create such works, whether out of self expression or paid work, is wildly ignorant and just refusing to accept the fact not everyone who enjoys taboo subjects is an inherently evil person.
 

Katook

Well-Known Member
Gun violence was proven to not be attributed to violent mass murdering simulators even when those are widely sold to the most impressionable of youthful minds, ready to be molded by enviornmental influences.

If violent video games don't attribute to creating murderers, then ADULTS who are already for the most part cognitively developed, aren't gonna start getting influenced to diddle kids by looking at a cartoon puppy's penis. If they already have pedophilia, then they already have the attraction to prepubescent children(under 14 years of age is the typical range I see described as pedophilia).

That being said, if a website has rules against any sexual depictions of any character appearing underage, then one should respect that and find a different platform to host their artworks.

For sure accidentally coming across Zuko and Aang diddling as exposure to my first homosexual depiction I really was shocked to see as a kid, but it didn't turn me gay :v
 

Illuminaughty

Ring-a-ding-ding, pal.
pfffft they joined us if you're so emotionally fragile that being yelled at is "Traumatising" and makes you discharge as happened in one case in all honesty i don't know how you'd function in the real world

In case you don't actually live in the "real world", people don't typically scream profanities and insults in your face on a daily basis. Unless you work in a job where that's (sadly) to be expected. Which, for the record, still doesn't make it right.

Most people in the "real world" these days treat eachother like equal human beings, and that's how it ought to be. No one is obligated to stand around and get abused by somebody else. Negativity and anger breeds its own. And I agree with @BahgDaddy , if someone yells at me like that, the chances that I'm going to get mad and fight back (or simply ignore them and walk away if that's an option) are a lot higher than the chance that I'll cower back or deign to "learn" anything from them. And I certainly won't respect them, seeing as they couldn't afford me the same favour.
 
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Friskyaa123

狐を殺すのに、兎を寄越すな。
The big point of disconnect for me, on the suggestion that it normalises child abuse, is that there is a lack of conclusive evidence to prove either positive or negative causation between accessability to child porn (real or fictional) and child sexual abuse.

@GarthTheWereWolf gave his input, and from what I had a look at, it seemed like there were studies which pretty much gave the same conclusion of child molestors. In those studies, they found a positive correlation, after they asked child molestors in prison questions about whether real child (note: not of fictional or non-human) porn contributed to a downward spiral for them towards molesting actual children. That said, I'm pretty sceptical, because there's some level of unavoidable confirmation bias with that methodology, and it lacks any input from the non-offending pedophiles. Also, it doesn't say much to the effects of fictional child porn, which is much more divorced from reality.

On the other hand, there is also evidence that there is either a negative correlation or no correlation at all, which the researchers conducting these studies usually state in their conclusions that it's likely because it acted as a substitute. One of those studies, in particular, found that in every country or city they tested in (Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Finland, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Sweden and the USA), child sexual abuse decreased or stayed the same when accessability to child porn grew. (To be clear, I'm aware that real child porn is still wrong, because it funds an industry to abuse actual children somewhere in the world. Though, fictional art doesn't have the same implications.) However, it is still just a correlation, and not conclusive proof.

Another consideration to keep in mind is that there is a difference between fetishising real children, fictional children, and cartoonish anthro wolf pups in diapers. I don't believe that an attraction to one would necessarily mean an interchangeable attraction to one of the others.

Also, while anecdotal, I personally know two people who look at cub porn, yet neither fit into the category of 'pedophile' (hence why I'm finding a large portion of this discussion annoying). Instead, they like to imagine themselves as the cub instead of as an adult, which I guess would be a type of infantalism. That in mind, not everyone who looks at cub porn is a pedophile, and none of us know the true proportions of the two consumer groups, or if there is even a sizeable demographic of pedophiles at all.


I mean it could be possible. Nobody's brought up the obvious point that furries aren't gonna get more and more into a fantasy until they screw a pooch unless they're already like that
 
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BahgDaddy

Guest
I've been doing a lot of research on pedophilia recently. I'm not an expert now by any means, but the point was not to form an elaborate opinion on why it exists, but to see if anyone else had a solid opinion or research on why it happens. It doesn't loom like anyone really knows why it happens. I'm guessing, though, you need a high degree of lack of empathy for other people to actually do it.
 

Friskyaa123

狐を殺すのに、兎を寄越すな。
I've been doing a lot of research on pedophilia recently. I'm not an expert now by any means, but the point was not to form an elaborate opinion on why it exists, but to see if anyone else had a solid opinion or research on why it happens. It doesn't loom like anyone really knows why it happens. I'm guessing, though, you need a high degree of lack of empathy for other people to actually do it.

I totally despise the 'acts on it' crowd over the group that only fetishizes something, to be honest. Could apply to anything. Actually having an affair with a porn star, lol

Edit: he actually did it, the absolute madman
 
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BahgDaddy

Guest
I totally despise the 'acts on it' crowd over the group that only fetishizes something, to be honest. Could apply to anything. Actually having an affair with a porn star, lol

Edit: he actually did it, the absolute madman

I'm pretty sure he'd bone a fence post.
 

Mikazuki Marazhu

I hate you all
>cub porn
>art

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Zrcalo

I STALK PRINCIPLES
One guy talking to a few pedo's doesn't make a study that has explored the dynamic and drastic nuances of human psychology. Which again is an example of you and people like you being the real problem. There are people with paedophilia desires that don't want to act on them and are struggling with their sexuality and instead of them being able to just talk about it and get the help they need, people like those that are so quick to judge an image of a fictional character as equal to that of a real human being, convince them to keep to themselves, only ever opening up with other paedophiles, usually the type that has and will commit the most atrocious acts towards actual children who then motivate the more timid and scared with those desires to not push those feeling and desires away or to seek help, but act on them.

With that in mind its just as likely you and those with your opinion going on such tirades have made just as many paedophiles as cub porn may have done. Which is conjecture...there's no basis for it because there's no actual studies done. So my original point stands. Which in case it wasn't obvious its that no-one knows what the heck they're talking about because no one's looked into it. heck even if we did the results would either be corrupted by the most vile pedo's in the world, who just happen to be in positions of power or wealth, or they're corrupted by people like Zrcalo and everyone else whose very anti-cub porn corrupting the evidence to "protect the children" even though the whole point of the study would be to find out how best to protect children from such actions.

So far the only one that seems to understand no-one knows how to really look at this is Lcs whose summed up the topic beautifully.

"Which again is an example of you and people like you being the real problem. "
not really. I wouldnt mind befriending someone who had struggles like that and who, themselves, had never done anything. Or if they served time already. One of the biggest things that bothers me is that people who go to prison and serve time still get treated like shit even if they've done their time and reformed.

"paedophilia desires that don't want to act on them and are struggling with their sexuality "
I wouldnt classify pedophilia as a sexuality. It's a philia. It's the same as being sexually attracted to animals, or chairs.

"With that in mind its just as likely you and those with your opinion going on such tirades have made just as many paedophiles as cub porn may have done. "
so you're saying that because maybe once in a blue moon I'll say "sorry I dont draw cub characters" or "I dont support pedophilia and I dont like cub art" is basically me creating pedophiles....
while I agree that if a person is exceptionally rabid, they can shove cub people towards more cub porn areas due to ostracization, its ultimately the beliefs of the individual that affect their own behavior. I've had several friends of mine called pedophiles because their characters "looked too young" or they'd have some gift art made of their characters as cubs. Like seriously, there are real pedophiles and there are people who dont even have that philia being labelled as it. its like how people swing around the "nazi" stick nowadays.

"results would either be corrupted by the most vile pedo's in the world,"
thats not how studies work.
If a study about cub porn that was run correctly included "the most vile pedos in the world" then my opinion would be to ban cub porn.
 

Zrcalo

I STALK PRINCIPLES
So do depictions of murder encourage murder?

gonna go out on a limb and say that from my experience it depends on whats depicted and why. I've had to actually convince several people to not go into their place of work to shoot it up because they saw that others who had done so were effective.
 
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BahgDaddy

Guest
So, something interesting happened last night, where I got involved in a discussion with someone who likes cub porn, and basically used convoluted logic and rationalism (in an alarmingly similar fashion to how I use it) to say that maybe pedophilia wasn't as big of a problem as we make it out to be.

Do I need to rethink my stance on cub porn now?
 

Zrcalo

I STALK PRINCIPLES
So, something interesting happened last night, where I got involved in a discussion with someone who likes cub porn, and basically used convoluted logic and rationalism (in an alarmingly similar fashion to how I use it) to say that maybe pedophilia wasn't as big of a problem as we make it out to be.

Do I need to rethink my stance on cub porn now?

my question would be, does he use cub porn as a replacement for the real stuff?
 
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BahgDaddy

Guest
my question would be, does he use cub porn as a replacement for the real stuff?

Well, he was ambivalent on the matter of cub yiff, and we both agreed it was too fictionalized to even represent reality enough to be realistic, but then he started using roundabout arguments to draw questions on why pedophilia is wrong. "Perhaps we need more studies and data on that," for instance.
 

Zrcalo

I STALK PRINCIPLES
Well, he was ambivalent on the matter of cub yiff, and we both agreed it was too fictionalized to even represent reality enough to be realistic, but then he started using roundabout arguments to draw questions on why pedophilia is wrong. "Perhaps we need more studies and data on that," for instance.

ehhhhh seems sketchy.
as a fan of gore, I find furry gore to be very different and unrealistic from real life gore. But there are people out there who want to commission a pic in their head, but replace the humans with furries so they dont seem creepy.

which I always thought was hilariously ironic.
 

Katook

Well-Known Member
gonna go out on a limb and say that from my experience it depends on whats depicted and why. I've had to actually convince several people to not go into their place of work to shoot it up because they saw that others who had done so were effective.


And you didn't report those people to the authourities for being a threat to society since you've had to "actually convince" them not to shoot up their work place? Sure. o_O Sounds likely.

(edit for not finishing my sentence lol)
 
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