Does Backlash Against Cub Seem To Be Increasing?

[Zrcalo]

And you didn't report those people to the authourities for being a threat to society since you've had to "actually convince" them not to shoot up their work place? Sure. Sounds likely.

(edit for not finishing my sentence lol)

actually yes. when it's your friends and you go over to their house and talk them down, and they KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE and KNOW IT WOULD BE YOU TO CALL THE COPS. then yes. sure. you can not believe me.

 

[Connor J. Coyote]

You're tripping.

Nope; absolutely not... it's created, lined, and colored.. on a piece of virtual paper.. and a big eraser (brushed on the surface of it) - can get rid of it, very easy.. so, (in my book) - that isn't reality.

 

[LogicNuke]

Nope; absolutely not... it's created, lined, and colored.. on a piece of virtual paper.. and a big eraser (brushed on the surface of it) - can get rid of it, very easy.. so, (in my book) - that isn't reality.

You're still portraying an illegal act, the same way as if you drawing human child porn. There are countries where cub pornography is illegal.

 

[Connor J. Coyote]

You're still portraying an illegal act, the same way as if you drawing human child porn. There are countries where cub pornography is illegal.

The same thing could be said for depictions of knots, gore, vore, and feral scenes, also.

Drawing someone in a murrsuit - having intercourse with a "knotted" feral Fur, could be construed as beastiality, for example; which is also an illegal act, (in many jurisdictions).. but (most of us) believe and know - that there's not an actual illegal act, that's taking place or being represented with what we're seeing.. and there are thousands of depictions like this, everywhere in this Fandom.

The same thing applies to cub porn.. as it's not actual CP, (that we're seeing).. if it was, (then that's a different story).

It's merely an artistic expression, that has no basis in reality. An artistic expression that (here in the US) is also protected by the First Amendment, btw. ☺

 

[Katook]

The same thing could be said for depictions of knots, gore, vore, and feral scenes, also.

Drawing someone in a murrsuit - having intercourse with a "knotted" feral Fur, could be construed as beastiality, for example; which is also an illegal act, (in many jurisdictions).. but (most of us) believe and know - that there's not an actual illegal act, that's taking place or being represented with what we're seeing.. and there are thousands of depictions like this, everywhere in this Fandom.

The same thing applies to cub porn.. as it's not actual CP, (that we're seeing).. if it was, (then that's a different story).

It's merely an artistic expression, that has no basis in reality. An artistic expression that (here in the US) is also protected by the First Amendment, btw. ☺

How is this so hard for people to grasp? Literally there are so many immoral and illegal depictions in art LIKE MURDER AND DISMEMBERMENT and violent sex, gang bangs, rape art,
Not to mention the billions of works out there featuring a hypersexualised high schooler(under 18 but already physically matured even when their brains are still technically kids), but no one panics about that.

If it's a mature work, or idealogically sensitive, then those who wish to avoid sensitive art should.

Literally everyone who thinks art influences reality is living in a made up world, and the suppression of artistic expression is arguably more dangerous to supress than allow.


There is no realism to the vast majourity of cartoon-based subjects.

(Edit for typo)

 

[TrishaCat]

The same thing could be said for depictions of knots, gore, vore, and feral scenes, also.

Drawing someone in a murrsuit - having intercourse with a "knotted" feral Fur, could be construed as beastiality, for example; which is also an illegal act, (in many jurisdictions).. but (most of us) believe and know - that there's not an actual illegal act, that's taking place or being represented with what we're seeing.. and there are thousands of depictions like this, everywhere in this Fandom.

Literally there are so many immoral and illegal depictions in art LIKE MURDER AND DISMEMBERMENT and violent sex, gang bangs, rape art,
Not to mention the billions of works out there featuring a hypersexualised high schooler(under 18 but already physically matured even when their brains are still technically kids), but no one panics about that.

And all of these things, when drawn, are art!

Also the mention of hypersexualized highschoolers in fiction reminded me that Gal Gun 2 came out on the Switch the other day (somewhat NSFW). Just take a moment to take in that this of all things came out uncensored on a Nintendo device. This game is banned in Germany. A previous game, Double Peace, is banned in New Zealand.

 

[Cawdabra]

How is this so hard for people to grasp? Literally there are so many immoral and illegal depictions in art LIKE MURDER AND DISMEMBERMENT and violent sex, gang bangs, rape art,
Not to mention the billions of works out there featuring a hypersexualised high schooler(under 18 but already physically matured even when their brains are still technically kids), but no one panics about that.

Kids and death are the two most sensitive things to people. So emotions tend to take over.

 

[Fleye]

The only thing I'm seeing in this thread is one group going;
"You like something I dislike, that makes you stupid and gross"
And another group saying:
"It's not harming anyone, leave us alone"

I don't really like cub-related stuff, but I have to agree with the second group. People have already pointed out that the characters are fictional, and I personally haven't come across any proper research which links fictional cub/child stuff with the grooming of pedophiles. And I can't imagine why this wouldn't have been researched and published if the link was there. I mean you'd think this sort of stuff would be looked into and aired out if gun violence and fictional violence get looked into.

I realize that there are questionable and disgusting people who like cub stuff, but then again I also understand that there's disturbed individual playing violent games as well. Until proven the argument is silly, and the onus of proof in this instance should be on those complaining about it. Flimsy opinions are easy to toss around, but if it's so wrong, maybe providing some proper research would help?

 

[Friskyaa123]

re: knots, I think some of the stuff is so stylized it's at 'cool dildo' level by that point. I've seen hyperreal looking stuff on furries it's not good. And I don't really like em either way in the first place. Glans are pretty cool

Edit: like dildo logic, even if knots weren't in real life it would probably end up as a type of dildo at some point hahaha

 

[BahgDaddy]

Art is, however, a sort of mirror image of the real world. I would say, cub reflects some aspect of the world, but, doesn't necessarily influence it in any meaningful fashion.

You're still portraying an illegal act, the same way as if you drawing human child porn. There are countries where cub pornography is illegal.

There are also countries where it's illegal to be gay, so what does this prove?

 

[Fleye]

You're still portraying an illegal act, the same way as if you drawing human child porn. There are countries where cub pornography is illegal.

There are also countries where it's illegal to be gay, so what does this prove?

Simple answer; It doesn't prove anything.

The age of adulthood (age of majority) varies between a lot of countries, and while 18 is a standard. It's not a sure thing. The age of consent also varies between those countries too, with some going disturbingly low, and others sticking to post-20y.

Homosexuality is a point, but there are also countries where pornography in its entirety is outlawed. Other countries most furry art would be considered inappropriate legally. Religions ban a whole heap of things depicted in a lot of furry art, and social mainstream would consider the bulk of furry art weird if not disturbing. Hence trying to use the laws of a specific country or code really doesn't work for this argument. If it were a legal issue it'd be black & white, easy to solve. And we could all move on to more interesting discussions.

As for portraying an illegal act, it's already been covered numerous times that other art portrays illegal/disturbing acts; ranging from cub to murder, to other fetishes. These don't seem to be causing a fraction of the controversy that cub seems to.

 

[WithMyBearHands]

I literally cannot understand why people do not have a problem with drawing basically kiddie porn. And who says I don’t hate rape art and vore art and whatever else? It’s all disgusting and why are we making it okay?

 

[GreenZone]

I literally cannot understand why people do not have a problem with drawing basically kiddie porn. And who says I don’t hate rape art and vore art and whatever else? It’s all disgusting and why are we making it okay?

That bearhands, is the right question.

 

[WithMyBearHands]

Basically me @ this whole thread

 

[TrishaCat]

There's nothing wrong with rape art or vore art either and they're both okay because they're expressions of desires within the realm of fiction that don't translate to reality or imply anything about people's interests in the real world. Vore fetishists aren't interested in eating people irl. Most people don't actually want to be raped even if they have such fetishes.

 

[GreenZone]

here's nothing wrong with rape or vore art either

are you fucking serious right now? i honestly can't tell if that's a disgusting troll attempt or if you're being serious

 

[TrishaCat]

are you fucking serious right now?

Definitely serious.
I already expressed in this thread that I don't have a problem with child murder in fiction or cub art in fiction. Why would I draw the line at rape or vore? (in fiction)

 

[GreenZone]

Definitely serious.
I already expressed in this thread that I don't have a problem with child murder in fiction or cub art in fiction. Why would I draw the line at rape or vore? (in fiction)

you know if Mungo was still here she'd ban you for that right? its disgusting

 

[TrishaCat]

you know if Mungo was still here she'd ban you for that right? its disgusting

I somehow doubt that considering I haven't broken any of the rules (to my awareness).
Plus there's a non-zero chance I've said these things before on this forum years ago. I'm not a new user; I just came back after being away for a while, and I imagine controversial topics like this had to have popped up at least once or twice between 2013 and 2015.

 

[GreenZone]

I somehow doubt that considering I haven't broken any of the rules (to my awareness).
Plus there's a non-zero chance I've said these things before on this forum years ago. I'm not a new user; I just came back after being away for a while, and I imagine controversial topics like this had to have popped up at least once or twice between 2013 and 2015.

wrong 1.2 Do not discuss violent or sexual crimes.

 

[TrishaCat]

wrong 1.2 Do not discuss violent or sexual crimes.

Content in fiction aren't violent or sexual crimes
Unless you wish to imply this very thread existing is breaking the rules?

Also the explanation and elaboration of the rule is:

Do not discuss details or experiences of committing, illegal acts involving sex, violence, or abuse against any creature, living or dead. Recounting and taking responsibility for past history may be permitted at staff discretion provided that harmful or illegal acts are not cast in a positive light.

None of which I've done.

 

[GreenZone]

Content in fiction aren't violent or sexual crimes
Unless you wish to imply this very thread existing is breaking the rules?

Also the explanation is:
None of which I've done.

yes i do but staff are protecting it a number of us have reported it

 

[WithMyBearHands]

Content in fiction aren't violent or sexual crimes
Unless you wish to imply this very thread existing is breaking the rules?

Also the explanation and elaboration of the rule is:
None of which I've done.

Yeah it kinda is. So many people are so quick to defend borderline kiddie porn, no matter what medium it’s in

 

[TrishaCat]

Such is an exercise in futility, and that has nothing to do with who the moderators are but rather that no one is discussing criminal activity.
No one is recounting or encouraging an act of cannibalism or rape.

But while we're at it
@SSJ3Mewtwo @Dragoneer It'd be appreciated if you'd elaborate on what exactly the grounds of these rules cover.

 

[GreenZone]

but rather that no one is discussing criminal activity.

you are its well known that neer is wilfully ignoring the laws of other countries as long as it remains legal in the country that hosts the server

cub/loli/any fiction minor porn is currently banned in
Australia
United Kingdom
Germany and other parts of the EU
im pretty sure Canada too

and rape porn is banned fucking everywhere dude it has been for years