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Does the fandom make people gay?

Sunburst_Odell

Some weird teen on the web that likes cartoons
Why quote me tho? xD

Anyway, I only think someone can turn or discover their bi side. I don't care if it was always there or not. But turning outright gay and dropping your interest in the opposite sex? Nope.
I believed I was straight for a while but now I'm a lesbian. But I don't think it was "turning gay." I just assumed myself to be straight despite never having attraction to males or having romantic feelings towards one because, well, it's default. But then hormones kicked in and I found myself attracted to girls. I was in denial for several months and then I just told myself, "look, you're gay, alright? Don't freak out."
 

Connor J. Coyote

Yote-Fantastic
I believed I was straight for a while but now I'm a lesbian. But I don't think it was "turning gay." I just assumed myself to be straight despite never having attraction to males or having romantic feelings towards one because, well, it's default. But then hormones kicked in and I found myself attracted to girls. I was in denial for several months and then I just told myself, "look, you're gay, alright? Don't freak out."
Take your time, there's no rush. When you're a younger person - you're still figuring things out. Just make sure you have people in your life that support you, regardless.
 

JayNiDogg

Active Member
I think it's not. Not all furries are gay or lesbian, and also, not all furries generally support the +18 theme. I think there are a lot of LGBT people in furry society - because of the cohesion of Furry and openness. People who feel "different" for a very long time could not get recognition among the majority of straight people. The furry community is very friendly in its concept, since the furries themselves have not been accepted in society for a long time, and they know what it feels like. From here, LGBT people can open here. That is why, over time, a person ceases to suppress his desires and his inclinations. After all, he doesn't need to hide here. As for me, I'm straight. And even though I like LGBT art, it doesn't make me want women.
 

Rayd

profound asshole
idk why people care so much about necroing if the topic is still relevant and doesn't have a newer thread. it creates less clutter. i mean, just look at the amount of "heres what music im listening to!" threads there are. there's like 10. if anything i think talking about people necroing causes more disorder than actually necroing does.

to answer the thread though - i think it does, but i also think it makes a lot of people fetishize being gay, without actually being gay or having interest in gay relationships in real life. i know lots of people who enjoy gay NSFW content, but say that they're straight in real life and/or have no attraction towards males in real life.
 

Smityyyy

Racc Man
I tend to think it just brings it out in people, to be honest. If you didn’t have a little bit of sexual fluidity in the first place, you probably wouldn’t be influenced by the content here.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
I tend to think it just brings it out in people, to be honest. If you didn’t have a little bit of sexual fluidity in the first place, you probably wouldn’t be influenced by the content here.
I personally believe that an absolute, complete lack of sexual fluidity is quite rare. But that's leaning towards ideology.

I do think the fact that humans (speaking broadly about the species, not about individuals) are biologically wired to be aroused by watching sex plays a part. Within fandom spaces (not just furry fandom, but any fandom) one is more likely to come across explicit material that doesn't match one's primary attraction without specifically seeking it out than one would with "regular" pornography or erotica, in my experience. So especially someone (for the case of this example, male) who hasn't quite settled into their sexual identity yet but is at least presuming themselves straight-by-default could plausibly see gay porn, go "oh, my willy likes this," and conclude they must be at least bisexual. Would be interesting to see comparisons between groups depending on at what age/stage of self-discovery they entered fandom.
 

ben909

vaporeon character != mushroom characters
"probably not"
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i think

insist i am still straight personally...
 

Smityyyy

Racc Man
I personally believe that an absolute, complete lack of sexual fluidity is quite rare. But that's leaning towards ideology.

I do think the fact that humans (speaking broadly about the species, not about individuals) are biologically wired to be aroused by watching sex plays a part. Within fandom spaces (not just furry fandom, but any fandom) one is more likely to come across explicit material that doesn't match one's primary attraction without specifically seeking it out than one would with "regular" pornography or erotica, in my experience. So especially someone (for the case of this example, male) who hasn't quite settled into their sexual identity yet but is at least presuming themselves straight-by-default could plausibly see gay porn, go "oh, my willy likes this," and conclude they must be at least bisexual. Would be interesting to see comparisons between groups depending on at what age/stage of self-discovery they entered fandom.
I actually agree with you that all humans are sexually fluid to a degree and societal conditioning leads us to believe that we are not.

And I also agree with your second point, although you said it better than I did initially. I believe that the fandom can bring out these things — whether they would’ve come out on their own or not — rather than creating an attraction that was never there.
 

Firuthi Dragovic

World Serpent, overly defensive
MAKE gay? No.

A fandom of this sort was just one of the few ways in a remote area to question myself enough to put the pieces together and consider the possibility that I already WAS gay.

(Still not 100% sure if gay or bi, TBH. Poly is unlikely.)
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
And I also agree with your second point, although you said it better than I did initially. I believe that the fandom can bring out these things — whether they would’ve come out on their own or not — rather than creating an attraction that was never there.
No doubt it can do that as well. What I was getting at was actually more the possibility of people experiencing arousal (due to witnessing sex) and concluding it is a matter of attraction. Which, like, yes, it could be, but it could also be a purely physical reaction that doesn't exist without the explicit material. It's not a good or bad thing, it's just an "is" thing. Hence (is my hypothesis) the people in fandom who are "gay for furry porn" or similar while having no other interest in the same sex/gender. Bodies gonna body, and as long as it's not hurting anyone, best to accept that and move on with your day, yanno?

(Arousal existing separate from attraction proper is something that there's been research on, along the lines of "hook people up with sensors on areas that signal arousal, show them pictures," I forget the details.)
 

Troj

Your Friendly Neighborhood Dino Therapist
Something about the fandom seems to appeal particularly to queer folks, and I'd suggest that the fandom also provides a safe space for people to be more open and fluid in how they express their sexuality and gender.
 
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LameFox

Guest
No doubt it can do that as well. What I was getting at was actually more the possibility of people experiencing arousal (due to witnessing sex) and concluding it is a matter of attraction. Which, like, yes, it could be, but it could also be a purely physical reaction that doesn't exist without the explicit material. It's not a good or bad thing, it's just an "is" thing. Hence (is my hypothesis) the people in fandom who are "gay for furry porn" or similar while having no other interest in the same sex/gender. Bodies gonna body, and as long as it's not hurting anyone, best to accept that and move on with your day, yanno?

(Arousal existing separate from attraction proper is something that there's been research on, along the lines of "hook people up with sensors on areas that signal arousal, show them pictures," I forget the details.)

Being only slightly bisexual IRL I do find that male anthros feel a bit different to me, independently of whether they're being depicted sexually. I think mixing human and animal features often inadvertently eliminates some details about a male human that I'm subconsciously put off by, so that what's left is more attractive for their absence.
 

Inafox

Member
Pretty much every LGBTQ furry I've known was LGBTQ+ before they entered the fandom.
However, am pretty sure bi-curious are more likely to embrace their sexuality under the fandom.
Reason being is because the more and more animal a character is the more you tend to drop human stereotypes.
With anthros you have more gender ambiguity unless it's very much enforced. Since sexuality is a spectrum, that enables a wider range of gender expression to which heteroflexible people in particular are more likely to feel secure with. With the more feral a furry character is e.g. semianthro or quadruped, the more it starts to void human gender expression entirely. Ditching gender expression can be relieving for those like me with gender dysphoria due to the fact many species have less visible anatomical sex dimorphism and don't have the gender-driven dress-code to boot, it allows me to choose what makes me a lady on my own free will, same for enbies.

I've also noticed that people who avoid an affinity to more humanoid characters in general have some kind of social uncertainty with humans, which is common in autoeroticism. Historically autism and autoeroticism share a lot of similarities, and the word autism historically even comes from autoeroticism, but Freud sexualised the research too much as not all autistic people have neuroatypical sexuality. I've noticed a lot of autoerotic, autistic people in the fandom, I myself included. By autoeroticism I mean "a pre-occupation with internalised sexual stimulus" e.g. sexual fantasy, which is just the sexual side of being autistic. Everyone has their fantasies, but the preoccupation is not too common in NTs from a young age. When someone is autistic and has a non-heteronormative non-cis inner expression (as in, is LGBTQ+ and autistic), the sexual orientation of the person generally develops towards fantasies rather than real-life people. I struggle a lot with real life people due to my autism, etc, so furry was a very important activity to express my LGBTQ+ sexuality in an autoeroticistic fashion. I think this is very common in the furry subculture and the base reason of why furry itself grew to be pretty much sexuality and gender identity oriented. So in truth, the furry world isn't making people LGBTQ+, but it's making a lot of bi-curious and autistic people feel less alienated by their neuroatypical sexual fantasies. It is however, possible that furry content can coax a gender-questioning person into a single gender expression as the fandom does hold different aesthetics in certain gendered ways. Likewise it can coax a bi-curious person into a preferring one sex or the other by having art that makes a certain fantasy around a certain sexual orientation more aesthetical. But this is only an illusion of conversion, this occurs outside the fandom as well and is one of the fallacious arguments used against LGBTQ+ education in schools, but if someone can be converted they are fundamentally unsure of their gender/sexuality and thus not cis-het to begin with but rather being polarised into the binary.

So the bottom line is really, furry isn't making straight people gay, it is however sometimes making bi-curious people polarise themselves into straight or gay. Luckily, the fandom is getting more gender-variance so bi-curious people are more and more realising they're actually on the bisexual spectrum. Similarly, the fandom still encourages a binary, but we have more and more gender fluid and non-binary people and less gender polarisation. This is actually good progress because it means that both LGBTQ+ and neuroatypical expressions will be less and less boxed into the idea there's somehow a "norm". Quite literally, furry is simply somewhat attached from "being human" and so thus pushes "human expectations of gender, sexuality and kink" aside, it's literally one of the best safehavens for LGBTQ+ and non-NTs.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
Being only slightly bisexual IRL I do find that male anthros feel a bit different to me, independently of whether they're being depicted sexually. I think mixing human and animal features often inadvertently eliminates some details about a male human that I'm subconsciously put off by, so that what's left is more attractive for their absence.
And that's absolutely fair. No doubt there's many different reasons that vary between people. It's not like my theory is very testable even for the cases where it does potentially apply.
 

Minerva_Minx

Explosion loving skooma cat
Something about the fandom seems to appeal particularly to queer folks, and I'd suggest that the fandom also provides a safe space for people to be more open and fluid in how they express their sexuality and gender.
Thr furry fandom came after the LGBTQ movement started, but was more open and welcoming to the community. So the two have co-existed on friendly terms for a while.
Does it turn you gay? No more than reading yuri manga and talking about being gay makes you gay. Maybe opening up the conversation a little while being accepting of the journey of discovery and searching.

On necro thread- meh. Seen worse reopened.
 

Smityyyy

Racc Man
No doubt it can do that as well. What I was getting at was actually more the possibility of people experiencing arousal (due to witnessing sex) and concluding it is a matter of attraction. Which, like, yes, it could be, but it could also be a purely physical reaction that doesn't exist without the explicit material. It's not a good or bad thing, it's just an "is" thing. Hence (is my hypothesis) the people in fandom who are "gay for furry porn" or similar while having no other interest in the same sex/gender. Bodies gonna body, and as long as it's not hurting anyone, best to accept that and move on with your day, yanno?

(Arousal existing separate from attraction proper is something that there's been research on, along the lines of "hook people up with sensors on areas that signal arousal, show them pictures," I forget the details.)
That’s a good point. I think I was missing that bit.

At the end of the day it’s definitely true that the fandom provides a safe space to explores one’s sexuality which may lead to new or expanded tastes and attractions.
 
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