Dontgiveafucksexuals Fandom Members (aka Pansexual)

[Fallowfox]

The European psychological associations study on sexual orientations are making this pansexuality thing took increasingly faddish.

Long story short, There are traceable differences between "strongly heterosexual" and "Strongly homosexual" and "Bisexual" in both neuro and emotional response to stimuli but none yet traceable between "Bisexual" and "Pansexual" Individuals, which means it may not be recognized as evidence is stacking up to basically state that "this shit is made up".

This does assume that emotional response is a valid proxy for sexuality. It might describe some, but there's no clear reason it should describe all possibilities. [I actually agree with you though]

 

[WolfNightV4X1]

Im only open to the other gender 'romantically' in a platonic way. I couldn't ever be attracted to females, it just isn't in me, even as much as I like the idea of bisexuality and think its pretty cool some people can like anyone regardless of gender.

although, my only exception would be someone who was biologically male (and probably mostly appeared male, with female characteristics) but identified as female and liked it that way. Then I wouldnt mind having a girlfriend. I think that's how to explain it I hope thats not wrong or anything.

 

[alphakitsune]

Pansexual and bisexual are the same thing pretty much. Most bi people also like transgender people too. I just say I'm bi because nobody knows what a pansexual is and thats fine with me.

 

[Hakar Kerarmor]

Pansexual and bisexual are the same thing pretty much. Most bi people also like transgender people too. I just say I'm bi because nobody knows what a pansexual is and thats fine with me.

I don't understand why it should be defined as a different sexuality.
If I like both guys and girls, regardless of the colour of their hair, does that make me something other than bisexual? Coiffuresexual?

 

[RedSavage]

It's a lot of hair splitting.
I guess it's whatever, really, in the end. A straight guy can have a one night fling with a guy and still be straight. And a gay guy can probably have a one night fling with a girl and still be gay. And a bisexual can like transgenders/genderqueer types and still be bisexual.

I suppose one could make the argument that by definition bisexuality, by definition, excludes third gender types. But it's not that big of a deal.

Because again.


This muthafuggin thread was never intended to argue the goddamned legitimacy of the sexuality term to begin with. I was just looking for people who identified by it. Shit fuck goddamn people. :U

 

[WolfNightV4X1]

This muthafuggin thread was never intended to argue the goddamned legitimacy of the sexuality term to begin with. I was just looking for people who identified by it. Shit fuck goddamn people. :U

Have you read the other sexuality and gender threads? It always ends up arguing. 'Pansexuality=Bisexuality' 'Demiromantic is just a fancy way to say 'Im normal and I like people sometimes' 'Polygender/genderqueer/genderfluid/genderblabla is all made up special snowflake extra labels' 'tumblargh'

Every single time.

 

[Evan of Phrygia]

'tumblargh'

definitely using that one in the future.

 

[Kleric]

I think I would've been happier If I never knew of the orientation terminology debacle, It's official that Don'tgiveafucksexual needs to be a thing, It will save us all from this! :V

 

[Ieono]

I have sex with men and women, but I never give it much thought beyond that. Who I have sex with doesn't define me. It's just...another thing. It's fun to talk about, though.

 

[Synec]

hm. a one time i dated a guy for only a little, and it turned out later that he was formerly a woman, but also planned to keep his vagina after the rest of his transitioning. we straight up didn't jive well, but in thinking about it i'd have been down with any sort of combination of parts-- previously i'd only considered myself 'gay'. i think it's more of a 'masculine' type that i go for.

also boo to pansexuality = bisexuality. bisexuality only really deals in the XX or XY, but there are different phenotypical outcomes to those genotypes. not to mention there are things like XYY and so on.

 

[Sar]

At this point in the western 21st century, it doesn't exactly matter much what your sexual orientation is. Just legal rights to what you can do within it.

 

[Alexxx-Returns]

also boo to pansexuality = bisexuality. bisexuality only really deals in the XX or XY, but there are different phenotypical outcomes to those genotypes. not to mention there are things like XYY and so on.

See, I don't agree with this. There must be plenty of people who identify as bi, who are happy to date someone who is transgender. By this statement, there wouldn't be straight people either, who date someone who is transgender.

 

[WolfNightV4X1]

...I have no problem with most gender and sexuality labels even if some of them seem a bit overdone and unnescessary (For example...Polygender? Honestly the way I see it you are male, female, both, or neither, but there is no magical third gender)

but mostly I can shrug those off and let them be. However, Otherkins in particular bother me. But what really bothers me is how tumblr invented 'cis' as a way to differentiante the trans people from the 'cishets'. Then there's the constant 'die cis scum'...stop! I know trans people have it hard but its not like all cis people are evil bullies. You cant just get off telling people to die because they are the priveledged thats just wrong!

 

[RedSavage]

See, I don't agree with this. There must be plenty of people who identify as bi, who are happy to date someone who is transgender. By this statement, there wouldn't be straight people either, who date someone who is transgender.

The exception doesn't invalidate the definition. You can have your exception and still have pansexuality be considered different.

 

[Evan of Phrygia]

The exception doesn't invalidate the definition. You can have your exception and still have pansexuality be considered different.

It does tend to invalidate the purpose however. Pansexuality is treated as a differentiation but certain forms of pansexuality are not actually a true differentiation. It's not so much that the definition itself can't have validity; more so that it has a great deal of ambiguities and overlap and makes it much harder to actually classify a sexual preference. I don't like being overtly generic about sexual categorization, yet at the same pansexuality tends to muddle the more distinct lines of each category and identity, which is really what causes these discussions in the first place.

 

[Ieono]

Wars have been fought over semantics...just look at Christianity, for instance!

 

[Alexxx-Returns]

The exception doesn't invalidate the definition. You can have your exception and still have pansexuality be considered different.

That's true, though all I'm saying is that many people I've known consider transgender individuals to be part of the gender binary, as the gender in which they identify. Like my last partner, he is a straight male, and his girlfriend before me was MTF transgender and that didn't phase him at all.

Although it's admittedly not the same sort of mindset for everyone.

 

[RedSavage]

This

And that.

Again, bisexuality excludes any mention of third gender. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

But again--what does it matter? Feel free to ignore my statement here and the provided link. You have no obligation to be convinced. If we've more or less established that sexuality is loose and is what you make it, then where is the debate if someone would prefer to use one term to describe themselves rather another? It's like if a black male says he just identifies as an American. Another black male prefers to identify as African American. One could make the case that since African cultures has since been long lost into the assimilation of American culture, that African American is as redundant and outdated as someone who identifies as Irish American or German American. But to say that person can't or shouldn't use that term and then argue in their face why it's incorrect is shitty at best.

Basically if you would prefer to see it as all the same--go for it. All fine by me. I don't really care.

What bothers me is the assumption that people seem incessantly inclined to talk down other people's definitions of themselves just because they don't necessarily agree with the semantics and finer details.

 

[Mentova]

Again, bisexuality excludes any mention of third gender. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

But again--what does it matter? Feel free to ignore my statement here and the provided link. You have no obligation to be convinced. If we've more or less established that sexuality is loose and is what you make it, then where is the debate if someone would prefer to use one term to describe themselves rather another? It's like if a black male says he just identifies as an American. Another black male prefers to identify as African American. One could make the case that since African cultures has since been long lost into the assimilation of American culture, that African American is as redundant and outdated as someone who identifies as Irish American or German American. But to say that person can't or shouldn't use that term and then argue in their face why it's incorrect is shitty at best.

Basically if you would prefer to see it as all the same--go for it. All fine by me. I don't really care.

What bothers me is the assumption that people seem incessantly inclined to talk down other people's definitions of themselves just because they don't necessarily agree with the semantics and finer details.

I'm not sure if the concept of third gender should really apply to sexuality. Gender is mainly a social construct while sex is biological. So bisexuality implies attraction to both physical sexes(Though one can argue of the existence of a third sex, but that is for another topic), not gender identity.

At least that's how I understand it, lol.

 

[Harbinger]

Jesus christ guys why cant you all just be straight to make it simpler :V

 

[Nekokami]

Jesus christ guys why cant you all just be straight to make it simpler :V

I think everyone is bi at first. :V

 

[Harbinger]

I think everyone is bi at first. :V

So that song was actually "Bi Bi baby" :v

 

[RedSavage]

So that song was actually "Bi Bi baby" :v

I know that I can't take no more
It ain't no lie
I wanna see you out that door
Baby BI BI BIIII...

 

[jtrekkie]

I've been following this thread, and maybe it's just me being unsophisticated, but I fail to see why people make such a big deal of this kind of thing. (Not the actual topic material, I got that.)

 

[RedSavage]

I've been following this thread, and maybe it's just me being unsophisticated, but I fail to see why people make such a big deal of this kind of thing. (Not the actual topic material, I got that.)

Because there are a group of individuals who would like to define their sexuality with a certain term they feel is more appropriate. And then there is another group of people who feel like because they don't agree with it they have to point out why and say so over and over.

To be fair, I shouldn't even have started defending it to begin with. I got wrapped up in it too quickly as it were.