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Chico
It’s funny that when people reach a certain age, such as after graduating college, they assume it’s time to go out and get a job. But like many things the masses do, just because everyone does it doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. In fact, if you’re reasonably intelligent, getting a job is one of the worst things you can do to support yourself. There are far better ways to make a living than selling yourself into indentured servitude.

Here are some reasons you should do everything in your power to avoid getting a job:

1. Income for dummies.

Getting a job and trading your time for money may seem like a good idea. There’s only one problem with it. It’s stupid! It’s the stupidest way you can possibly generate income! This is truly income for dummies.

Why is getting a job so dumb? Because you only get paid when you’re working. Don’t you see a problem with that, or have you been so thoroughly brainwashed into thinking it’s reasonable and intelligent to only earn income when you’re working? Have you never considered that it might be better to be paid even when you’re not working? Who taught you that you could only earn income while working? Some other brainwashed employee perhaps?

Don’t you think your life would be much easier if you got paid while you were eating, sleeping, and playing with the kids too? Why not get paid 24/7? Get paid whether you work or not. Don’t your plants grow even when you aren’t tending to them? Why not your bank account?

Who cares how many hours you work? Only a handful of people on this entire planet care how much time you spend at the office. Most of us won’t even notice whether you work 6 hours a week or 60. But if you have something of value to provide that matters to us, a number of us will be happy to pull out our wallets and pay you for it. We don’t care about your time — we only care enough to pay for the value we receive. Do you really care how long it took me to write this article? Would you pay me twice as much if it took me 6 hours vs. only 3?

Non-dummies often start out on the traditional income for dummies path. So don’t feel bad if you’re just now realizing you’ve been suckered. Non-dummies eventually realize that trading time for money is indeed extremely dumb and that there must be a better way. And of course there is a better way. The key is to de-couple your value from your time.

Smart people build systems that generate income 24/7, especially passive income. This can include starting a business, building a web site, becoming an investor, or generating royalty income from creative work. The system delivers the ongoing value to people and generates income from it, and once it’s in motion, it runs continuously whether you tend to it or not. From that moment on, the bulk of your time can be invested in increasing your income (by refining your system or spawning new ones) instead of merely maintaining your income.

This web site is an example of such a system.

Sure it takes some upfront time and effort to design and implement your own income-generating systems. But you don’t have to reinvent the wheel — feel free to use existing systems like ad networks and affiliate programs. Once you get going, you won’t have to work so many hours to support yourself. Wouldn’t it be nice to be out having dinner with your spouse, knowing that while you’re eating, you’re earning money? If you want to keep working long hours because you enjoy it, go right ahead. If you want to sit around doing nothing, feel free. As long as your system continues delivering value to others, you’ll keep getting paid whether you’re working or not.

Your local bookstore is filled with books containing workable systems others have already designed, tested, and debugged. Nobody is born knowing how to start a business or generate investment income, but you can easily learn it. How long it takes you to figure it out is irrelevant because the time is going to pass anyway. You might as well emerge at some future point as the owner of income-generating systems as opposed to a lifelong wage slave. This isn’t all or nothing. If your system only generates a few hundred dollars a month, that’s a significant step in the right direction.

2. Limited experience.

You might think it’s important to get a job to gain experience. But that’s like saying you should play golf to get experience playing golf. You gain experience from living, regardless of whether you have a job or not. A job only gives you experience at that job, but you gain ”experience” doing just about anything, so that’s no real benefit at all. Sit around doing nothing for a couple years, and you can call yourself an experienced meditator, philosopher, or politician.

The problem with getting experience from a job is that you usually just repeat the same limited experience over and over. You learn a lot in the beginning and then stagnate. This forces you to miss other experiences that would be much more valuable. And if your limited skill set ever becomes obsolete, then your experience won’t be worth squat. In fact, ask yourself what the experience you’re gaining right now will be worth in 20-30 years. Will your job even exist then?

Consider this. Which experience would you rather gain? The knowledge of how to do a specific job really well — one that you can only monetize by trading your time for money – or the knowledge of how to enjoy financial abundance for the rest of your life without ever needing a job again? Now I don’t know about you, but I’d rather have the latter experience. That seems a lot more useful in the real world, wouldn’t you say?

3. Lifelong domestication.

Getting a job is like enrolling in a human domestication program. You learn how to be a good pet.

Look around you. Really look. What do you see? Are these the surroundings of a free human being? Or are you living in a cage for unconscious animals? Have you fallen in love with the color beige?

How’s your obedience training coming along? Does your master reward your good behavior? Do you get disciplined if you fail to obey your master’s commands?

Is there any spark of free will left inside you? Or has your conditioning made you a pet for life?

Humans are not meant to be raised in cages. You poor thing…

4. Too many mouths to feed.

Employee income is the most heavily taxed there is. In the USA you can expect that about half your salary will go to taxes. The tax system is designed to disguise how much you’re really giving up because some of those taxes are paid by your employer, and some are deducted from your paycheck. But you can bet that from your employer’s perspective, all of those taxes are considered part of your pay, as well as any other compensation you receive such as benefits. Even the rent for the office space you consume is considered, so you must generate that much more value to cover it. You might feel supported by your corporate environment, but keep in mind that you’re the one paying for it.

Another chunk of your income goes to owners and investors. That’s a lot of mouths to feed.

It isn’t hard to understand why employees pay the most in taxes relative to their income. After all, who has more control over the tax system? Business owners and investors or employees?

You only get paid a fraction of the real value you generate. Your real salary may be more than triple what you’re paid, but most of that money you’ll never see. It goes straight into other people’s pockets.

What a generous person you are!

5. Way too risky.

Many employees believe getting a job is the safest and most secure way to support themselves.

Morons.

Social conditioning is amazing. It’s so good it can even make people believe the exact opposite of the truth.

Does putting yourself in a position where someone else can turn off all your income just by saying two words (”You’re fired”) sound like a safe and secure situation to you? Does having only one income stream honestly sound more secure than having 10?

The idea that a job is the most secure way to generate income is just silly. You can’t have security if you don’t have control, and employees have the least control of anyone. If you’re an employee, then your real job title should be professional gambler.

6. Having an evil bovine master.

When you run into an idiot in the entrepreneurial world, you can turn around and head the other way. When you run into an idiot in the corporate world, you have to turn around and say, “Sorry, boss.”

Did you know that the word boss comes from the Dutch word baas, which historically means master? Another meaning of the word boss is “a cow or bovine.” And in many video games, the boss is the evil dude that you have to kill at the end of a level.

So if your boss is really your evil bovine master, then what does that make you? Nothing but a turd in the herd.

Who’s your daddy?

7. Begging for money.

When you want to increase your income, do you have to sit up and beg your master for more money? Does it feel good to be thrown some extra Scooby Snacks now and then?

Or are you free to decide how much you get paid without needing anyone’s permission but your own?

If you have a business and one customer says “no” to you, you simply say “next.”

8. An inbred social life.

Many people treat their jobs as their primary social outlet. They hang out with the same people working in the same field. Such incestuous relations are social dead ends. An exciting day includes deep conversations about the company’s switch from Sparkletts to Arrowhead, the delay of Microsoft’s latest operating system, and the unexpected delivery of more Bic pens. Consider what it would be like to go outside and talk to strangers. Ooooh… scary! Better stay inside where it’s safe.

If one of your co-slaves gets sold to another master, do you lose a friend? If you work in a male-dominated field, does that mean you never get to talk to women above the rank of receptionist? Why not decide for yourself whom to socialize with instead of letting your master decide for you? Believe it or not, there are locations on this planet where free people congregate. Just be wary of those jobless folk — they’re a crazy bunch!

9. Loss of freedom.

It takes a lot of effort to tame a human being into an employee. The first thing you have to do is break the human’s independent will. A good way to do this is to give them a weighty policy manual filled with nonsensical rules and regulations. This leads the new employee to become more obedient, fearing that s/he could be disciplined at any minute for something incomprehensible. Thus, the employee will likely conclude it’s safest to simply obey the master’s commands without question. Stir in some office politics for good measure, and we’ve got a freshly minted mind slave.

As part of their obedience training, employees must be taught how to dress, talk, move, and so on. We can’t very well have employees thinking for themselves, now can we? That would ruin everything.

God forbid you should put a plant on your desk when it’s against the company policy. Oh no, it’s the end of the world! Cindy has a plant on her desk! Summon the enforcers! Send Cindy back for another round of sterility training!

Free human beings think such rules and regulations are silly of course. The only policy they need is: “Be smart. Be nice. Do what you love. Have fun.”

10. Becoming a coward.

Have you noticed that employed people have an almost endless capacity to whine about problems at their companies? But they don’t really want solutions – they just want to vent and make excuses why it’s all someone else’s fault. It’s as if getting a job somehow drains all the free will out of people and turns them into spineless cowards. If you can’t call your boss a jerk now and then without fear of getting fired, you’re no longer free. You’ve become your master’s property.

When you work around cowards all day long, don’t you think it’s going to rub off on you? Of course it will. It’s only a matter of time before you sacrifice the noblest parts of your humanity on the altar of fear: first courage… then honesty… then honor and integrity… and finally your independent will. You sold your humanity for nothing but an illusion. And now your greatest fear is discovering the truth of what you’ve become.

I don’t care how badly you’ve been beaten down. It is never too late to regain your courage. Never!

Still want a job?

If you’re currently a well-conditioned, well-behaved employee, your most likely reaction to the above will be defensiveness. It’s all part of the conditioning. But consider that if the above didn’t have a grain of truth to it, you wouldn’t have an emotional reaction at all. This is only a reminder of what you already know. You can deny your cage all you want, but the cage is still there. Perhaps this all happened so gradually that you never noticed it until now… like a lobster enjoying a nice warm bath.

If any of this makes you mad, that’s a step in the right direction. Anger is a higher level of consciousness than apathy, so it’s a lot better than being numb all the time. Any emotion — even confusion — is better than apathy. If you work through your feelings instead of repressing them, you’ll soon emerge on the doorstep of courage. And when that happens, you’ll have the will to actually do something about your situation and start living like the powerful human being you were meant to be instead of the domesticated pet you’ve been trained to be.

Happily jobless

What’s the alternative to getting a job? The alternative is to remain happily jobless for life and to generate income through other means. Realize that you earn income by providing value — not time – so find a way to provide your best value to others, and charge a fair price for it. One of the simplest and most accessible ways is to start your own business. Whatever work you’d otherwise do via employment, find a way to provide that same value directly to those who will benefit most from it. It takes a bit more time to get going, but your freedom is easily worth the initial investment of time and energy. Then you can buy your own Scooby Snacks for a change.

And of course everything you learn along the way, you can share with others to generate even more value. So even your mistakes can be monetized.

One of the greatest fears you’ll confront is that you may not have any real value to offer others. Maybe being an employee and getting paid by the hour is the best you can do. Maybe you just aren’t worth that much. That line of thinking is all just part of your conditioning. It’s absolute nonsense. As you begin to dump such brainwashing, you’ll soon recognize that you have the ability to provide enormous value to others and that people will gladly pay you for it. There’s only one thing that prevents you from seeing this truth — fear.

All you really need is the courage to be yourself. Your real value is rooted in who you are, not what you do. The only thing you need actually do is express your real self to the world. You’ve been told all sort of lies as to why you can’t do that. But you’ll never know true happiness and fulfillment until you summon the courage to do it anyway.

The next time someone says to you, “Get a job,” I suggest you reply as Curly did: ”No, please… not that! Anything but that!” Then poke him right in the eyes.

You already know deep down that getting a job isn’t what you want. So don’t let anyone try to tell you otherwise. Learn to trust your inner wisdom, even if the whole world says you’re wrong and foolish for doing so. Years from now you’ll look back and realize it was one of the best decisions you ever made.

Final thoughts

While I wouldn’t recommend starting on online business for everyone, for many people it’s one of the best ways to generate income without a job. It has certainly worked disgustingly well for me.
 

Zrcalo

I STALK PRINCIPLES
let me just say something about having your own business:

1) you will never get paid as much as a wal-mart employee

2) you will put in more time than a wal-mart employee

3) unlike wal-mart employees, you will be in debt because businesses have their own cost of running.

4) you have to please your customers even if you spent over 9000 hours doing something they want redone.

5) if you cant make it with your hands and sell it cheaper than china, it's not worth it.

6) most college students HAVE a job while going to college. hence that is why they can afford college.

7) if you cant find a job when you're in college, you wont find one when you get out.
 

Zrcalo

I STALK PRINCIPLES
" In the USA you can expect that about half your salary will go to taxes."

WRONG.
my dad makes 40k and only 1k goes to taxes.
 

Nargle

HOOT
7) if you cant find a job when you're in college, you wont find one when you get out.

This doesn't make any sense at all. With a highschool deploma, I'm not getting a job at an animation company. However, after I recieve a degree in Animation and compile a porftolio out of three years of hard work, effort, and learning the trade, I'll certainly have a much better shot.

Also, Taco Bell experience isn't going to impress an animation company, either. BTW, Walmart just laid of a ton of seasonal employees, are most places like Walmart are refusing to hire people because of the economy. So even if Walmart can't hire you, that doesn't mean you won't get a real career later with a degree.
 
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Term_the_Schmuck

Most Interesting Man on FAF
This doesn't make any sense at all. With a highschool deploma, I'm not getting a job at an animation company. However, after I recieve a degree in Animation and compile a porftolio out of three years of hard work, effort, and learning the trade, I'll certainly have a much better shot.

This, just subtract the whole art aspect and throw in video production.
 

Randy-Darkshade

Bike riding squirrel thing.
It’s funny that when people reach a certain age, such as after graduating college, they assume it’s time to go out and get a job. But like many things the masses do, just because everyone does it doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. In fact, if you’re reasonably intelligent, getting a job is one of the worst things you can do to support yourself. There are far better ways to make a living than selling yourself into indentured servitude.

Here are some reasons you should do everything in your power to avoid getting a job:

1. Income for dummies.

BS

2. Limited experience.

BS

3. Lifelong domestication.

BS

4. Too many mouths to feed.

BS

5. Way too risky.

BS

7. Begging for money.

BS

8. An inbred social life.

BS

9. Loss of freedom.

BS

10. Becoming a coward.

BS

11. Still want a job?

BS

12. Happily jobless

BIG FUCKING BS.

Final thoughts

While I wouldn’t recommend starting on online business for everyone, for many people it’s one of the best ways to generate income without a job. It has certainly worked disgustingly well for me.

Biggest pile of BS I have ever read on these forums.
 

Term_the_Schmuck

Most Interesting Man on FAF
There's a video production program here =3

(Here is The Art Institutes, btw)

The difference between us is I'm going to a primarily business-centric university but I want to go into sports broadcasting and it was important to me to go to a school that was in Division-1 Athletics. Just makes it more interesting to cover.

But in any case you're right. The fact that you have a degree from a prestigious school goes a long way towards your pay-grade, let alone finding a job. It's about marketing yourself.

If nothing else, OP's got that point right. You only go as far as you put yourself out. That means going the extra mile in internships and doing things to help build your resume which gives you value. Especially in creative fields like mine and Nargle's where having a portfolio/reel/website devoted to our works is almost a necessity in order to find work and hopefully get a job with a studio or network that can use our talents. Sure freelancing can be great when you're young, but it quickly gets out of style not having a steady job with benefits or pension.
 

Zrcalo

I STALK PRINCIPLES
This doesn't make any sense at all. With a highschool deploma, I'm not getting a job at an animation company. However, after I recieve a degree in Animation and compile a porftolio out of three years of hard work, effort, and learning the trade, I'll certainly have a much better shot.

Also, Taco Bell experience isn't going to impress an animation company, either. BTW, Walmart just laid of a ton of seasonal employees, are most places like Walmart are refusing to hire people because of the economy. So even if Walmart can't hire you, that doesn't mean you won't get a real career later with a degree.

that's where you're wrong.
many businesses (animation including) train their employees. my best bet is go take some courses at a community college and show them your skills. make some videos and compile tons of shit.
many art careers people dont go to college for because it is based on experience, not a diploma.

this is coming from someone in the field.

edit: also, location location location. where I live currently many art jobs pay about $10-$12 an hour and many people from back east who have extensive portfolios, have worked in the field, etc, usually get the same jobs as kids just out of highschool.
nargle, have you made any animations?
 
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Baako

New Member
that's where you're wrong.
many businesses (animation including) train their employees. my best bet is go take some courses at a community college and show them your skills. make some videos and compile tons of shit.
many art careers people dont go to college for because it is based on experience, not a diploma.

this is coming from someone in the field.

Wouldn't employers prefer an employee who doesn't need to be trained? Would save money and time.
 

Term_the_Schmuck

Most Interesting Man on FAF
that's where you're wrong.
many businesses (animation including) train their employees. my best bet is go take some courses at a community college and show them your skills. make some videos and compile tons of shit.
many art careers people dont go to college for because it is based on experience, not a diploma.

this is coming from someone in the field.

Though I can only speak from my respective field, there's one thing wrong with this route.

It's primarily based on who you know and how willing a given company might be to train you. I've worked with people during internships who didn't go to college, or even finish high school for that matter. The only reason they have jobs is because they knew somebody who already had a job with said company and they agreed to help teach them. Normally this isn't the case. Even in internships you have to show some level of knowledge to an interviewer or in your resume. Not having some sort of educational background can or most often will limit the amount of places that will accept you unless you establish tight social relationships that could negate those educational deficiencies.
 

Zrcalo

I STALK PRINCIPLES
Wouldn't employers prefer an employee who doesn't need to be trained? Would save money and time.

they always need trained.
I've seen so much bad training coming out of universities and colleges, most of the time they run everyone through the same jocket to keep costs down. plus, you'll be payed entry level anyway, so it comes back to what I originally said.

start working for the company when you're in college so they can teach you while you learn, it'll give you money and plus you'll not waste time. hell you might not even need to finish college.

out of the 15 students in my intro biotechnology class, 6 of them applied for biotech jobs and 5 of them got one.

you have to REALLY be ahead of your own thinking if you want to go into skilled labour.
 

Zrcalo

I STALK PRINCIPLES
Though I can only speak from my respective field, there's one thing wrong with this route.

It's primarily based on who you know and how willing a given company might be to train you. I've worked with people during internships who didn't go to college, or even finish high school for that matter. The only reason they have jobs is because they knew somebody who already had a job with said company and they agreed to help teach them. Normally this isn't the case. Even in internships you have to show some level of knowledge to an interviewer or in your resume. Not having some sort of educational background can or most often will limit the amount of places that will accept you unless you establish tight social relationships that could negate those educational deficiencies.

I'm not saying "toss all education aside" I'm saying do things simultaneously. the best way to get connections is through the education. ask your teacher where these jobs are and who to connect to. I see so many university students coming out with a bachelors and cant find jobs anywhere. they end up working at places like wal-mart or moving back in with their folks because they cant afford to pay for their loans.


as my friend always said...

dont let your degree get in the way of your education.
 
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Term_the_Schmuck

Most Interesting Man on FAF
I'm not saying "toss all education aside" I'm saying do things simultaneously. the best way to get connections is through the education. ask your teacher where these jobs are and who to connect to. I see so many university students coming out with a bachelors and cant find jobs anywhere. they end up working at places like wal-mart or moving back in with their folks because they cant afford to pay for their loans.

That's just the way you came across to me.

In any case, yeah, it is important to seek employment, be it through internships or being on the payroll of a company. Communications majors are notorious for what you're talking about, as are Art majors in respects to not going anywhere after college. But as you'll probably agree, that's all about applying yourself.

Now this again could be just a fundamental difference in our industries, but most producers and potential employers that I've talked to usually won't think twice about tossing a resume to the side if the highest education level they can show is an associates at a community college. That's almost a standard for most networks and stations around the New York/Philly area in which I live. Now a privately owned production company is a whole different story, but usually those are supposed to be reserved as spring boards in order to get to those higher level jobs at stations where as a university education combined with internships can get you immediately into those types of jobs.
 

Nargle

HOOT
that's where you're wrong.
many businesses (animation including) train their employees. my best bet is go take some courses at a community college and show them your skills. make some videos and compile tons of shit.
many art careers people dont go to college for because it is based on experience, not a diploma.

this is coming from someone in the field.

edit: also, location location location. where I live currently many art jobs pay about $10-$12 an hour and many people from back east who have extensive portfolios, have worked in the field, etc, usually get the same jobs as kids just out of highschool.
nargle, have you made any animations?

Sorry, but you've got it completely backwards. My school focuses heavily on developing skills needed to acquire an entry level position in our feild, and during the entire 3 years it takes to earn a Bachelor's degree (Accelerated program), we're working the whole time on building a portfolio. I've only been here so far for half a year, but even in that short amount of time, my artistic ability has improved IMMENSELY. It would be very deluded of me to think I could walk into an animation company with my natural talent, no training from professionals, and expect them to give me a job. Every community college I've ever researched offers ZERO art programs, with ZERO professionals currently working in the animation feild. Another plus about going to the Art Institutes is that periodically companies come looking for upperclassmen to take internship jobs, so that they can gain real world experience and get a better job or become perminant employees later. And since we are working with people who are actively involved in the Animation community, we're able to start making connections and getting our name out there for potential employers to hear about.

So no, it's not a good idea to go to a community college and expect to have an animation company come sweep you off your feet and take care of all of your training for you. That costs the company money, and there are plenty of well trained artists with complete portfolios, experience, and degrees that they're rather hire. And I also agree that companies are looking for experience, rather than a diploma. But you've got a very slim chance of your doodles and experimental videos being better than someone who's been building a portfolio with the guidence of professionals that KNOW what companies want for three tedious years.

Also, I don't know what "art job" you're talking about, but the average starting salary for someone working for an animation company is around $50k per year, and the average for long term employees is $80k-$100k. The prof for one of my animation classes used to work for Pixar, and made $110k per year. He's making his own cartoon series in Australia now (Though keeps flying back to Texas to teach classes for whatever reason).
 
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Zrcalo

I STALK PRINCIPLES
That's just the way you came across to me.

In any case, yeah, it is important to seek employment, be it through internships or being on the payroll of a company. Communications majors are notorious for what you're talking about, as are Art majors in respects to not going anywhere after college. But as you'll probably agree, that's all about applying yourself.

Now this again could be just a fundamental difference in our industries, but most producers and potential employers that I've talked to usually won't think twice about tossing a resume to the side if the highest education level they can show is an associates at a community college. That's almost a standard for most networks and stations around the New York/Philly area in which I live. Now a privately owned production company is a whole different story, but usually those are supposed to be reserved as spring boards in order to get to those higher level jobs at stations where as a university education combined with internships can get you immediately into those types of jobs.

I've been in the art industry for about 4 years now, and am working on getting an associate in science with an emphasis in biotechnology.

the whole biotech situation absolutely shocked me. the major companies; Tgen, Covance, Innexus, etc. blatantly refused to hire university students because they investigated the methods taught and found that it was all lecture and little lab. they instead made a contract with my community college to train their employees from the ground up. covance especially likes to keep people within their arms from the very beginning. They also put an emphasis on cost. my college is about $1000 a semester when ASU would cost me $4000 a semester. for a worse education.

funny thing, ASU isnt a bad school at all. it's rather mediocre.
I work at MCC (mesa community college) and found out that there were hundreds of employee training classes that all sorts of companies wanted to train their employees in. Tgen also built a highschool on their campus to start training even EARLIER.

and about animation. forget disney. they have a highschool AND college on site that they ONLY hire from.
 

Zrcalo

I STALK PRINCIPLES
Sorry, but you've got it completely backwards. My school (Art Institute) focuses heavily on developing skills needed to acquire an entry level position in our feild, and during the entire 3 years it takes to earn a Bachelor's degree (Accelerated program), we're working the whole time on building a portfolio. I've only been here so far for half a year, but even in that short amount of time, my artistic ability has improved IMMENSELY. It would be very deluded of me to think I could walk into an animation company with my natural talent, no training from professionals, and expect them to give me a job. Every community college I've ever researched offers ZERO art programs, with ZERO professionals currently working in the animation feild. Another plus about going to the Art Institutes is that periodically companies come looking for upperclassmen to take internship jobs, so that they can gain real world experience and get a better job or become perminant employees later. And since we are working with people who are actively involved in the Animation community, we're able to start making connections and getting our name out there for potential employers to hear about.

So no, it's not a good idea to go to a community college and expect to have an animation company come sweep you off your feet and take care of all of your training for you. That costs the company money, and there are plenty of well trained artists with complete portfolios, experience, and degrees that they're rather hire. And I also agree that companies are looking for experience, rather than a diploma. But you've got a very slim chance of your doodles and experimental videos being better than someone who's been building a portfolio with the guidence of professionals that KNOW what companies want for three tedious years.

Also, I don't know what "art job" you're talking about, but the average starting salary for someone working for an animation company is around $50k per year, and the average for long term employees is $80k-$100k. The prof for one of my animation classes used to work for Pixar, and made $110k per year. He's making his own cartoon series in Australia now (Though keeps flying back to Texas to teach classes for whatever reason).

all I'm saying is... watch what you're doing VERY closely. over here the successful students take one or two courses SPECIFICALLY training them for the field, then get an entry level position that they work while learning the rest of their skills for what they need.

speaking of animation... you should crack open blender and start making 3d movies. that's what my brother is doing... and he learned it in highschool at a technical highschool called EVIT in 2 classes.

I would also ask former art institute students who work with pixar...
if you cant find any, then you've got a problem there.

http://www.pixar.com/companyinfo/jobs/career_faq.html

there ya go.
 
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Beastcub

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i make fursuits for a living, i am "happily jobless" because i wholely enjoy what i do so its not work. and i am sucessful, more so than i ever thought i would be, i have enough orders, all with downpayments in, to keep me busy for the next 8-12 months <3
i never ever wanted a "normal job" the restrictions to my freedom just being in school was hard enough for me to handle let alone being under the thumb of a boss, ever since i was 10 i vowed to avoid the typical 9-5 and i did ^_______^
i have never had another job aside from my self employment
 

Zrcalo

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i make fursuits for a living, i am "happily jobless" because i wholely enjoy what i do so its not work. and i am sucessful, more so than i ever thought i would be, i have enough orders, all with downpayments in, to keep me busy for the next 8-12 months <3
i never ever wanted a "normal job" the restrictions to my freedom just being in school was hard enough for me to handle let alone being under the thumb of a boss, ever since i was 10 i vowed to avoid the typical 9-5 and i did ^_______^
i have never had another job aside from my self employment

and beastcub, you are my inspiration for my art. :3

all my life I always told myself and was told that you cannot live off art alone, and that the term "starving artist" was literal.

ever since I joined this site, it has given me hope that I could actually make a decent living on art. X3 and I love making fursuits.
 
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