Evolution VS Creationism

[Conker]

I know that Dawkins might be a bit obtuse and very anti theistic, but The Blind Watchmaker really is a wonderful book about Evolution and the process of it.

For those wanting to learn more, it's worth a read.

Because damn, it saddens me to see people still using the word "theory" incorrectly here on like page 12. Thought we went over that shit.

 

[Blake_Foxx]

I know that Dawkins might be a bit obtuse and very anti theistic, but The Blind Watchmaker really is a wonderful book about Evolution and the process of it.

For those wanting to learn more, it's worth a read.

Because damn, it saddens me to see people still using the word "theory" incorrectly here on like page 12. Thought we went over that shit.

I'm pretty sure it's been gone over like 100 times already, and I started in the middle of this thread. So I'm sure it's been like 200+ times total xD

 

[Ozriel]

I'm pretty sure it's been gone over like 100 times already, and I started in the middle of this thread. So I'm sure it's been like 200+ times total xD

About 60 times, but whose counting? :V

Anyways, people forget that "scientific theory" differs a lot from the word "theory".

 

[Sar]

Hate to break it to y'all, but Cthulhu did it. He killed all of the dinosaurs after sodomizing them in a Japanese hentai fur porn fashion.

What rustles my jimmies the most about this thread is that wasn't an option in the poll. This was clearly biased in design. >:c

 

[funky3000]

What rustles my jimmies the most about this thread is that wasn't an option in the poll. This was clearly biased in design. >:c

"Other" <3 ilu

 

[Ozriel]

What rustles my jimmies the most about this thread is that wasn't an option in the poll. This was clearly biased in design. >:c

Clearly. Apparently my faith in the old gods isn't worthy enough to have a poll! I am calling the ACLU to get this fixed!

"Other" <3 ilu

"Other" is clearly discriminating against my faith in the old ones! You'll hear from the ACLU soon enough! >:V

 

[funky3000]

You mean the ones I blew to shreds 10,000 years ago? =3 I can gladly do so again. <3

Your gods are so cuuuute. <3

 

[Captain Howdy]

Because damn, it saddens me to see people still using the word "theory" incorrectly here on like page 12. Thought we went over that shit.

It's only page 8 if you bump up your page count to 50 posts per page. It may not help in the overall, but in-the-moment, it might make it seem...like...less...

 

[Rassah]

Look at the large Hydron Collider and tell me it spouts nonsense.

PLEASE do not look into the Large Hadron Collider while it's spouting things. You will melt your face >.<

So by believing in God I am less likely to do the right things in life?

Yes. I used to be catholic, too. Eventually I got over it, and much later I learned that ethics is a way more complex thing than what religion teaches, and in fact religious morals don't even come close to fundamental ethics. Yes, I'm saying atheists can be more moral than god. For one, I don't understand why people would willingly subjugate themselves to a malevolent (benevolent?) dictator. That alone can lead people to some very morally questionable choices.

 

[funky3000]

PLEASE do not look into the Large Hadron Collider while it's spouting things. You will melt your face >.<

"Do not look directly into the operational end of the device"

 

[Conker]

It's only page 8 if you bump up your page count to 50 posts per page. It may not help in the overall, but in-the-moment, it might make it seem...like...less...

It's more the sheer repetition of people talking past each other that gets me. You can't have a debate or an argument or any real discourse if you won't pay attention to what everyone is saying and agree on a set of terms.

 

[Gnarl]

"Do not look directly into the operational end of the device"

But I always wanted to become a quantum singularity! And what if the idea of the collision is wrong and all it does is open and inter dimensional electromagnetic window, how we gonna know if no one looks? And if they are causing Hadrons to collide, who is their insurance company, and who do they write the ticket to? Poor hadrons! I vote we save the Hadrons and shut down the collider!

 

[Hakar Kerarmor]

I want to know 4chan's take on Sodom and Gommorah.

I've always been rather fond of this one.

Anyway, nice to see this has turned into another religions debate.
Sheppard knows we didn't have enough of those.

 

[dialup]

Yes. I used to be catholic, too. Eventually I got over it, and much later I learned that ethics is a way more complex thing than what religion teaches, and in fact religious morals don't even come close to fundamental ethics. Yes, I'm saying atheists can be more moral than god. For one, I don't understand why people would willingly subjugate themselves to a malevolent (benevolent?) dictator. That alone can lead people to some very morally questionable choices.

Look, I'm not religious in any way, shape, or form but if someone finds comfort in religion and isn't using it to deny other people rights, what's the harm? Yeah, some atheists can be more moral than Christians, but there's plenty of Christians who are more moral than atheists. Religion isn't the cause of immoral behavior, it's the person themselves that causes it, and lack of religion doesn't automatically make somebody have good morals.

 

[Fallowfox]

This is the weird thing about our world. Beliefs are judged on the merits of their influence, rather than whether they are right or not, despite the fact that the latter is really rather important and that what we can know, or believe we can know, about reality determines what influences we are willing to accept.

anyway, in response to 'sticking your head in the lhc' there actually have been examples, a soviet scientist who was 19 stuck his head into a particle accelerator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoli_Bugorski

He survived, because the highly ionising beam passed through at close to light speed, thus having little to know time to interact with him, bar fizzling a hole through his brain.

 

[Kit H. Ruppell]

He survived, because the highly ionising beam passed through at close to light speed, thus having little to know time to interact with him, bar fizzling a hole through his brain.

Well that sets back particle weapon development a fair bit, now doesn't it?

 

[CaptainCool]

but if someone finds comfort in religion and isn't using it to deny other people rights, what's the harm?

In my opinion you don't look at the bigger picture. Sure, one individual believing in some ancient myth is nothing to worry about. But you forget that (as of 2010) about 85% of the entire human population holds some kind of religious view! That's more than 5 billion people who believe in some ancient myth instead of looking at the world from a factual point of view.
And while most of them may be harmless and don't discriminate against non-believers or minorities or kick human rights in the teeth, those who ARE bigots are still a majority compared to non-believers.
That is what makes religion a problem as well. Not just that it is anti-scientific nonsense, the fact that it is still so very common is what worries me as well.

This is the weird thing about our world. Beliefs are judged on the merits of their influence, rather than whether they are right or not, despite the fact that the latter is really rather important and that what we can know, or believe we can know, about reality determines what influences we are willing to accept.

anyway, in response to 'sticking your head in the lhc' there actually have been examples, a soviet scientist who was 19 stuck his head into a particle accelerator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoli_Bugorski

He survived, because the highly ionising beam passed through at close to light speed, thus having little to know time to interact with him, bar fizzling a hole through his brain.

That sounds absolutely terrifying
It makes sense why he wasn't obliterated but still, that must have been a terrifying experience. Especially because he knew what happened but didn't feel anything.

 

[Wakboth]

Evolution is a fact. Therefore, as I believe in God, I also believe that the process of evolution is His chosen method of creation; also, that the universe is vast, ancient and complex, beyond the human scale and comprehensible only through diligent use of the intelligence and tools we have.

Creationists, unsurprisingly, hate the idea of Christian people who accept evolution a lot more than they do atheists who do the same, because it undermines their claim that you can't be a believer unless you buy into their lies about young Earth, nonexistent evolution, etc.

 

[CaptainCool]

I also believe that the process of evolution is His chosen method of creation

Two things:
First, evolution is not about the origin of life. It just describes how life changes and that it all comes from a common ancestor that all living things share.
So if you say you believe that evolution is a fact that still doesn't tell me what you think where life originally came from. Just sayin'.

Second, evolution is not a method. It is not something that you "do". It is a blind and extremely slow natural process that "just happens".

 

[Fallowfox]

Evolution would proceed even, in the event that there is a God, that he or she dies.

I find the joke SMBC proposed, that our universe is a take-away meal which has been left rotting for so long 'that it has brains growing in it' pretty funny.

 

[CaptainCool]

Evolution would proceed even, in the event that there is a God, that he or she dies.

I find the joke SMBC proposed, that our universe is a take-away meal which has been left rotting for so long 'that it has brains growing in it' pretty funny.

Yeah, SMBC is making 7000 bucks a month through Patreon for a reason XD

 

[Gnarl]

Two things:
First, evolution is not about the origin of life. It just describes how life changes and that it all comes from a common ancestor that all living things share.
So if you say you believe that evolution is a fact that still doesn't tell me what you think where life originally came from. Just sayin'.

Second, evolution is not a method. It is not something that you "do". It is a blind and extremely slow natural process that "just happens".

It all started on the planet Trellon about 100 x10 50M eons ago. But when their sun was dying they fled in generational star ships in search of a new home. They found the earth to be able to support life but unfortunatley over the generations they had forgotten how to fly the large saucer shaped ship. That was why they crashed into the earth and destroyed the dino's.

 

[Crystal_the_Vixen]

I hate how Ken thinks all animal are veggie eaters.
The reason why some animals have sharp teeth and eat veggies are because they're omnivores.
Herbivores are like spoons.
Omnivores are like sporks.
Carnivores are like forks.

 

[Fallowfox]

I hate how Ken thinks all animal are veggie eaters.
The reason why some animals have sharp teeth and eat veggies are because they're omnivores.
Herbivores are like spoons.
Omnivores are like sporks.
Carnivores are like forks.

Let's not forget the autotrophic animals that can actually photosynthesise. Like the corals.

I guess they're like chopsticks.

 

[Rassah]

Yeah, some atheists can be more moral than Christians, but there's plenty of Christians who are more moral than atheists. Religion isn't the cause of immoral behavior, it's the person themselves that causes it, and lack of religion doesn't automatically make somebody have good morals.

This is true, of course, but the core of, or the axiom, of ethics is that we own our own bodies, our "selves," and the product of our work. From this extends things like "Respect others," "Treat others as you would treat yourself," and "don't kill, don't steal" and other such stuff. Theists ignore that axiom by their very belief in a higher power, and that they "belong to" or should submit to that higher power. This, in turn, makes them think it's ok to force others to also submit to a higher power or authority, and as a result we have things ranging from "Government should decide whom you can and can't marry" to "It's ok to cage people for years if they don't follow the rules, even if breaking that rule did not hurt anyone else." Things people brainwashed by the idea of submission to a higher power or authority believe is actually moral and ethical.

Centuries from now, we will probably look back on today, and be aghast as how barbaric we were, designating some groups of people to have more rights than others, and tasking them with going around the country, rounding up people they thought were undesirable, and locking them in cages for decades, while everyone else simply went along with that, because "authority is absolute and must be respected, praise gebus"