FA/IMVU Discussion
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Volkodav
Dad****er
Kragith Zedrok
Black and Red All Day Long
Yes, yes, good, good, MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The issue with all other furry sites, people choose to go to which ever one they want, when this happens, since FA is mostly where the people are, people who rely on selling their art have to work on every site to take what they get here on FA. The "im leaving" journals do not hurt IMVU, FA... whatever, they hurt those who so rely on this place for their incomes. If IMVU changes this by restricting adult work in the future... well I dunno.
HISSSSSSSSS xP
Nah, we already used that one for a different drama shitstorm a while ago.
We have to create a brand-new furry art site and all angrily flock to it in protest of some dumb drama on FA, only to realize that the site is crap because it has nowhere near the population that FA does, and promptly return a few weeks later.
Butters Shikkon
Patron Saint of Queers
Weasyl's pretty damn awesome.
I use both it and FA. (Bi-siteual) You even get folders there and a rather cheery admin team. I feel so fancy and appreciated when I'm there and kinda sad when I return to the Walmart of Furries that is FA.
Kragith Zedrok
Black and Red All Day Long
Weasyl's pretty damn awesome.
I love FA, never got into Weasyl but I did try and go over to SF, dunno, its just empty elsewhere in my opinion.
Zepher_Tensho
Lodestar
Weasyl has a nice look and feel to me, but I haven't built up the same following as I have on FA. SHouldn't matter much to me tho, cuz it's not like I do commission.
I never could get into SF.
I never could get into SF.
Butters Shikkon
Patron Saint of Queers
Sofurry's nice enough...but it's rather sexual. So it's not exactly a general art lover's paradise. But it sure is Heaven for writers. (The only site I've never really looked into was Inkbunny...for obvious reasons.)
AshleyAshes
Arcade Snowmew Of Doom
Weasyl's pretty damn awesome.
Yeah, I'm just moving my situation to Weasyl now. Weasyl is kinda just nice. Even it's forums are nice. Hell, I'm AFRAID to post on the forums half the time, less I needlessly jerk the place up. It's THAT nice. Though my commission postings do usually get more attention on FA. But the only real thing to do is to move to Weasyl and put my interactions over there. Build up a watch list and all that.
You guys can check out my custom furry arcade stick project exclusively on Weasyl. :3
https://forums.weasyl.com/vbulletin...shley-s-Custom-Furry-Arcade-Stick-Blog-Thread!
Verin Asper
The Smart Idiot
Its why i avoid sofurry's forum and also chatroom. Also. Stay quiet as they enforce a "be nice or else" ruling...as long as someone claim you hurt them you can get banned...
Vo
Member
No, then someone would get wise to it and find how they store it. We'd need something that can be public, but can only be created using private information. So:
1. Hash the image.
2. Pick a password.
3. Combine the image hash and password into a second hash.
4. Enter the password to authorize redistribution of the image.
5. Ship the image with that second hash. The password and the image's hash are combined again to find the second hash, which is then checked against a database.
Or, do we really need to hash the image alone? Maybe it's an unnecessary step. You could hash the image plus the password appended and store that hash in DB.
Or maybe more of a PKI thing. The image is associated with a public key. To reupload the image to IMVU, the uploader has to sign the image, proving their ownership of the secret key and their identity as the artist, and submit the signature. The signature is verified against the public key associated with the artist (which is in database). The images are hashed when uploaded to FA and these are used at IMVU to detect images that should require a signature.
Now what would we do about people changing one pixel and altering the hash without compromising the image? Maybe we can take sections of the image data and hash them separately, and if the number of matching hashes crosses a certain threshold, a signature is required.
Of course, resizing the image or altering it imperceptibly in various well-distributed spots, dunno, I guess that screws the whole hashing idea.
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Butters Shikkon
Patron Saint of Queers
Oh, thanks for the head's up, Verin. I do sometimes find myself in it's writer's section, so I'll take your advice to heart. Sorta an easy system to abuse though.
Silvershock
New Member
AAAAAAAA KILL IT WITH FIRE!
I'm a fucking web dev, don't do that shit to me! It looks like Geocities and MySpace had an awful, unholy baby.
FoxWolfie
Pee-Stinky Raccoon
Anyone who can see the original image can screen capture it, save it to a different format, crop, resize or rotate, etc. Any of those actions would result in a different hash. They only thing that an artist could do is to plaster big ugly watermarks over the main subject in the picture, or post it at such a low resolution that no one would want to use it or see it. Unfortunately, that defeats the purpose for posting to an art site in the first place.
I think it would be far better if IMVU simply did as most art sites do, and come up with an internal take-down policy that doesn't require resorting to a DMCA order, so it works well from any country. It seems that IMVU just doesn't want to spend their time or money on an admin responsible for dealing with copyright complaints. Doing a DMCA should be a last resort, for when faster and more polite methods fail. Unless they fix that, they are basically saying that they don't give a darn to the entire furry art community. Since they indirectly make money on everything sold on their site, I highly doubt that they even want to give a darn. Didn't they realize that they were buying an art site, and that art theft would be a very serious concern?
They must fix this to the satisfaction of the furry art community, or that same community will end up costing them more time and money than they ever dreamed of. Honestly, the best move for IMVU would be to hand the site back, tear up the contract, and say "Sorry, we made a mistake." Then Dragoneer could take up one of those wonderful offers that would keep the site in the hands of furries who actually care. I know, things like that never happen, but it would be much better for IMVU and much better for FA if they had nothing to do with each other. No matter what they may think, IMVU of Borg will not succeed in assimilating the furry art community.
Silvershock
New Member
I've been thinking about this during the day. I've already heard the "I'm going to build an alternative" thing from a number of people I know - yeah, good luck with that. By the time they have anything even approaching the complexity of the established websites, this will have died down or moved on to the point where their hobby coding project is no longer relevant. I got asked myself if I was going to work on an alternative site. Nope. I have my furry coding project, and I'm working on that for now.
What I have been thinking about is potentially getting together all the people I know who were ready to put money into a pot and buy FA, and playing the long game. We can write our proposal up again, go over it, nitpick it to death. Then, we find out the people we'd need to send it to for it to get read and acknowledged. Finally, we make a dormant site with our proposal, intentions, rallying cry, etc written out in detail, and have it lie still until needed. There's been speculation in this thread that IMVU might dump FA at some point in the future. While that's early speculation, and we really have no way to know their intentions until they're demonstrated, if they did ever announce they were ditching the site, that would be the time to push the button and throw our proposal/campaign online. Getting the foot in the door quickly and having a single focus for the community in a situation like that would be beneficial, after all.
It's all I can really think to do, besides the ol' "let's all go to Weasyl/SoFurry/Inkbunny/VCL". We can't really do anything to change what's going to happen with the site now, not so long as it's under company rule, but having a contingency plan in case of massive fuck-up sounds do-able.
Captain Howdy
Member
As a person who only produces (kinky) written content, I have never understood SoFurry to be "for writers". Their general UI is awful for written content; unless you somehow find light grey/light brown text ON WHITE to be somehow easy to read.
Weasyl is touted as yet another better-than-FA website - Yet I don't see where, why, or how. Written-submission pages look very similar to FA - Except the text is constricted into a mobile-friendly width (leaving extremely large empty gaps on either side of the content). And the search function is nearly identical, except 3 more results, and less organisation, but overall presented worse.
As far as FA/IMVU - I don't care, as long as my steady stream of porn comes in uninterrupted, and as long as I can put out my unsteady stream of written kinky stuff.
Weasyl is touted as yet another better-than-FA website - Yet I don't see where, why, or how. Written-submission pages look very similar to FA - Except the text is constricted into a mobile-friendly width (leaving extremely large empty gaps on either side of the content). And the search function is nearly identical, except 3 more results, and less organisation, but overall presented worse.
As far as FA/IMVU - I don't care, as long as my steady stream of porn comes in uninterrupted, and as long as I can put out my unsteady stream of written kinky stuff.
Zepher_Tensho
Lodestar
RedSavage
Rattlesnake Flavored
They've actually got a nifty feature where you can upload it to google docs and link it. It'll show it just as it appears in your document. Personally I've always a uploaded PDFS. Unlike FA, Weasyl will actually display a PDF instead of making you download it in your browser.
To be fair pretty much all sites fucking suck when it comes to uploading text. There's no site that uses any type of WYSIWYG cut-and-paste. And for some reason uploading a .doc directly is beyond most web-dev's comprehension. Then again I'm guessing there's some vague compatibility reason for it.
Volkodav
Dad****er
Better question: will FA's current coder even be willing to work with IMVU's coders?
Verin Asper
The Smart Idiot
its because SoFurry use to be YiffStar which was originally just writing, they then became SoFurry and still heavy on writing being the dominate thing (you are more likely to get someone to pay you to write them a story there than on FA...).
Oddly SoFurry was suppose to develop a system where you can change the colours but lately they been just CHURNING out updates that improve things for writers (or the chat room, or forums...specially for roleplaying as they added a "character" system)
Zepher_Tensho
Lodestar
Yea I hear talk that FA's coder ain't so friendly when others come pokin' around.
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