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So, when is the new furry site going up? Gotta create a new furry site to flock to every time there's a big drama shitstorm.
 

Kragith Zedrok

Black and Red All Day Long
So, when is the new furry site going up? Gotta create a new furry site to flock to every time there's a big drama shitstorm.

Yes, yes, good, good, MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The issue with all other furry sites, people choose to go to which ever one they want, when this happens, since FA is mostly where the people are, people who rely on selling their art have to work on every site to take what they get here on FA. The "im leaving" journals do not hurt IMVU, FA... whatever, they hurt those who so rely on this place for their incomes. If IMVU changes this by restricting adult work in the future... well I dunno.


HISSSSSSSSS xP
 

Volkodav

Dad****er
Can't help ya, bud.
If you're not going to take this discussion seriously, maybe you should go back to FA, idk.
 

Butters Shikkon

Patron Saint of Queers
Nah, we already used that one for a different drama shitstorm a while ago.

We have to create a brand-new furry art site and all angrily flock to it in protest of some dumb drama on FA, only to realize that the site is crap because it has nowhere near the population that FA does, and promptly return a few weeks later.

Weasyl's pretty damn awesome. :p I use both it and FA. (Bi-siteual) You even get folders there and a rather cheery admin team. I feel so fancy and appreciated when I'm there and kinda sad when I return to the Walmart of Furries that is FA.
 

Kragith Zedrok

Black and Red All Day Long
Weasyl's pretty damn awesome. :p I use both it and FA. (Bi-siteual) You even get folders there and a rather cheery admin team. I feel so fancy and appreciated when I'm there and kinda sad when I return to the Walmart of Furries that is FA.

I love FA, never got into Weasyl but I did try and go over to SF, dunno, its just empty elsewhere in my opinion.
 

Zepher_Tensho

Lodestar
Weasyl has a nice look and feel to me, but I haven't built up the same following as I have on FA. SHouldn't matter much to me tho, cuz it's not like I do commission.

I never could get into SF.
 

Butters Shikkon

Patron Saint of Queers
I love FA, never got into Weasyl but I did try and go over to SF, dunno, its just empty elsewhere in my opinion.

Sofurry's nice enough...but it's rather sexual. So it's not exactly a general art lover's paradise. But it sure is Heaven for writers. (The only site I've never really looked into was Inkbunny...for obvious reasons.)
 

AshleyAshes

Arcade Snowmew Of Doom
Weasyl's pretty damn awesome. :p I use both it and FA. (Bi-siteual) You even get folders there and a rather cheery admin team. I feel so fancy and appreciated when I'm there and kinda sad when I return to the Walmart of Furries that is FA.


Yeah, I'm just moving my situation to Weasyl now. Weasyl is kinda just nice. Even it's forums are nice. Hell, I'm AFRAID to post on the forums half the time, less I needlessly jerk the place up. It's THAT nice. Though my commission postings do usually get more attention on FA. But the only real thing to do is to move to Weasyl and put my interactions over there. Build up a watch list and all that.

You guys can check out my custom furry arcade stick project exclusively on Weasyl. :3

https://forums.weasyl.com/vbulletin...shley-s-Custom-Furry-Arcade-Stick-Blog-Thread!
 

Croconaw

#1 Most Requested Croconaw
A plant doesn't yield fruit in just a few days. Even then, Weasyl is starting to grow at a pretty comfortable pace. I haven't explored it enough, but it does seem like the activity has been picking up for some strange reason.
 

mcjoel

Pepmurrmint Fox
I've had an account on weasly for awhile now so I can tell that they are getting quite a lot of people moving over though the forums over there a still pretty dead and will probably stay that way until the forums here start looking like the ones over there.
 

Draconas

Active Member
I'm finding a lot of shit the longer this skype call goes on with someone a few posts back, im not naming names, but if you look up their name on twitter, you'll see why this is making me rather FUCKING UPSET about the unfair treatment about this individual
 

Verin Asper

The Smart Idiot
Sofurry's nice enough...but it's rather sexual. So it's not exactly a general art lover's paradise. But it sure is Heaven for writers. (The only site I've never really looked into was Inkbunny...for obvious reasons.)
Its why i avoid sofurry's forum and also chatroom. Also. Stay quiet as they enforce a "be nice or else" ruling...as long as someone claim you hurt them you can get banned...
 

Vo

Member
hahaha alright XD

It's just that I've studied both programming and databases (SQL server) and I'm trying to rack my brain over how you could implement a password into an image.

Perhaps with steganography, the practice of hiding text files inside image files.

No, then someone would get wise to it and find how they store it. We'd need something that can be public, but can only be created using private information. So:

1. Hash the image.
2. Pick a password.
3. Combine the image hash and password into a second hash.
4. Enter the password to authorize redistribution of the image.
5. Ship the image with that second hash. The password and the image's hash are combined again to find the second hash, which is then checked against a database.

Or, do we really need to hash the image alone? Maybe it's an unnecessary step. You could hash the image plus the password appended and store that hash in DB.

Or maybe more of a PKI thing. The image is associated with a public key. To reupload the image to IMVU, the uploader has to sign the image, proving their ownership of the secret key and their identity as the artist, and submit the signature. The signature is verified against the public key associated with the artist (which is in database). The images are hashed when uploaded to FA and these are used at IMVU to detect images that should require a signature.

Now what would we do about people changing one pixel and altering the hash without compromising the image? Maybe we can take sections of the image data and hash them separately, and if the number of matching hashes crosses a certain threshold, a signature is required.

Of course, resizing the image or altering it imperceptibly in various well-distributed spots, dunno, I guess that screws the whole hashing idea.
 
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Butters Shikkon

Patron Saint of Queers
Its why i avoid sofurry's forum and also chatroom. Also. Stay quiet as they enforce a "be nice or else" ruling...as long as someone claim you hurt them you can get banned...

Oh, thanks for the head's up, Verin. I do sometimes find myself in it's writer's section, so I'll take your advice to heart. Sorta an easy system to abuse though.
 

FoxWolfie

Pee-Stinky Raccoon
1. Hash the image.

Anyone who can see the original image can screen capture it, save it to a different format, crop, resize or rotate, etc. Any of those actions would result in a different hash. They only thing that an artist could do is to plaster big ugly watermarks over the main subject in the picture, or post it at such a low resolution that no one would want to use it or see it. Unfortunately, that defeats the purpose for posting to an art site in the first place.

I think it would be far better if IMVU simply did as most art sites do, and come up with an internal take-down policy that doesn't require resorting to a DMCA order, so it works well from any country. It seems that IMVU just doesn't want to spend their time or money on an admin responsible for dealing with copyright complaints. Doing a DMCA should be a last resort, for when faster and more polite methods fail. Unless they fix that, they are basically saying that they don't give a darn to the entire furry art community. Since they indirectly make money on everything sold on their site, I highly doubt that they even want to give a darn. Didn't they realize that they were buying an art site, and that art theft would be a very serious concern?

They must fix this to the satisfaction of the furry art community, or that same community will end up costing them more time and money than they ever dreamed of. Honestly, the best move for IMVU would be to hand the site back, tear up the contract, and say "Sorry, we made a mistake." Then Dragoneer could take up one of those wonderful offers that would keep the site in the hands of furries who actually care. I know, things like that never happen, but it would be much better for IMVU and much better for FA if they had nothing to do with each other. No matter what they may think, IMVU of Borg will not succeed in assimilating the furry art community.
 

Silvershock

New Member
Can we please talk about what we do from here on out? How do we make the best of this situation?

I've been thinking about this during the day. I've already heard the "I'm going to build an alternative" thing from a number of people I know - yeah, good luck with that. By the time they have anything even approaching the complexity of the established websites, this will have died down or moved on to the point where their hobby coding project is no longer relevant. I got asked myself if I was going to work on an alternative site. Nope. I have my furry coding project, and I'm working on that for now.

What I have been thinking about is potentially getting together all the people I know who were ready to put money into a pot and buy FA, and playing the long game. We can write our proposal up again, go over it, nitpick it to death. Then, we find out the people we'd need to send it to for it to get read and acknowledged. Finally, we make a dormant site with our proposal, intentions, rallying cry, etc written out in detail, and have it lie still until needed. There's been speculation in this thread that IMVU might dump FA at some point in the future. While that's early speculation, and we really have no way to know their intentions until they're demonstrated, if they did ever announce they were ditching the site, that would be the time to push the button and throw our proposal/campaign online. Getting the foot in the door quickly and having a single focus for the community in a situation like that would be beneficial, after all.

It's all I can really think to do, besides the ol' "let's all go to Weasyl/SoFurry/Inkbunny/VCL". We can't really do anything to change what's going to happen with the site now, not so long as it's under company rule, but having a contingency plan in case of massive fuck-up sounds do-able.
 
As a person who only produces (kinky) written content, I have never understood SoFurry to be "for writers". Their general UI is awful for written content; unless you somehow find light grey/light brown text ON WHITE to be somehow easy to read.

Weasyl is touted as yet another better-than-FA website - Yet I don't see where, why, or how. Written-submission pages look very similar to FA - Except the text is constricted into a mobile-friendly width (leaving extremely large empty gaps on either side of the content). And the search function is nearly identical, except 3 more results, and less organisation, but overall presented worse.

As far as FA/IMVU - I don't care, as long as my steady stream of porn comes in uninterrupted, and as long as I can put out my unsteady stream of written kinky stuff.
 

Zepher_Tensho

Lodestar
No, then someone would get wise to it and find how they store it. We'd need something that can be public, but can only be created using private information. So:

1. Hash the image.
2. Pick a password.
3. Combine the image hash and password into a second hash.
4. Enter the password to authorize redistribution of the image.
5. Ship the image with that second hash. The password and the image's hash are combined again to find the second hash, which is then checked against a database.

Or, do we really need to hash the image alone? Maybe it's an unnecessary step. You could hash the image plus the password appended and store that hash in DB.

Or maybe more of a PKI thing. The image is associated with a public key. To reupload the image to IMVU, the uploader has to sign the image, proving their ownership of the secret key and their identity as the artist, and submit the signature. The signature is verified against the public key associated with the artist (which is in database). The images are hashed when uploaded to FA and these are used at IMVU to detect images that should require a signature.

Now what would we do about people changing one pixel and altering the hash without compromising the image? Maybe we can take sections of the image data and hash them separately, and if the number of matching hashes crosses a certain threshold, a signature is required.

Of course, resizing the image or altering it imperceptibly in various well-distributed spots, dunno, I guess that screws the whole hashing idea.

Ah, I was thinking of using hashing too.
Question is, do any of the FA coders have the skill to even come remotely close to making a system like this XD
 

RedSavage

Rattlesnake Flavored
As a person who only produces (kinky) written content, I have never understood SoFurry to be "for writers". Their general UI is awful for written content; unless you somehow find light grey/light brown text ON WHITE to be somehow easy to read.

Weasyl is touted as yet another better-than-FA website - Yet I don't see where, why, or how. Written-submission pages look very similar to FA - Except the text is constricted into a mobile-friendly width (leaving extremely large empty gaps on either side of the content). And the search function is nearly identical, except 3 more results, and less organisation, but overall presented worse.

As far as FA/IMVU - I don't care, as long as my steady stream of porn comes in uninterrupted, and as long as I can put out my unsteady stream of written kinky stuff.

They've actually got a nifty feature where you can upload it to google docs and link it. It'll show it just as it appears in your document. Personally I've always a uploaded PDFS. Unlike FA, Weasyl will actually display a PDF instead of making you download it in your browser.

To be fair pretty much all sites fucking suck when it comes to uploading text. There's no site that uses any type of WYSIWYG cut-and-paste. And for some reason uploading a .doc directly is beyond most web-dev's comprehension. Then again I'm guessing there's some vague compatibility reason for it.
 

Verin Asper

The Smart Idiot
As a person who only produces (kinky) written content, I have never understood SoFurry to be "for writers". Their general UI is awful for written content; unless you somehow find light grey/light brown text ON WHITE to be somehow easy to read.

Weasyl is touted as yet another better-than-FA website - Yet I don't see where, why, or how. Written-submission pages look very similar to FA - Except the text is constricted into a mobile-friendly width (leaving extremely large empty gaps on either side of the content). And the search function is nearly identical, except 3 more results, and less organisation, but overall presented worse.

As far as FA/IMVU - I don't care, as long as my steady stream of porn comes in uninterrupted, and as long as I can put out my unsteady stream of written kinky stuff.
its because SoFurry use to be YiffStar which was originally just writing, they then became SoFurry and still heavy on writing being the dominate thing (you are more likely to get someone to pay you to write them a story there than on FA...).
Oddly SoFurry was suppose to develop a system where you can change the colours but lately they been just CHURNING out updates that improve things for writers (or the chat room, or forums...specially for roleplaying as they added a "character" system)
 
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