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mcjoel

Pepmurrmint Fox
I wonder if anybody is coming at FAU, maybe Greeting Neer really hard and nice :D

I highly doubt there is ever going to be another one of them and if so fender and neer is going to look like a nascar drivers.
 

Runefox

Kitsune of the PC Master Race

You know what? This is a giant middle finger to everybody who has had concerns about this whole thing. I really wish karma were a thing at this point because Princess Piche is playing with people's livelihoods and laughing about it, and this pisses me the hell off.

Let's not let this blow over. Let's not let him feel that sense of smug security. Let's really turn the screws here, and keep this fire burning. Because this is the man who sold the community out from under itself, and this is the man who claims to care about it. This is his idea of caring. He's a nobody now, and that will become obvious very soon if things continue as they are, but he still needs to take responsibility for his actions and this is the kind of shit that tells me that he thinks he never will.
 

Verin Asper

The Smart Idiot
You know what? This is a giant middle finger to everybody who has had concerns about this whole thing. I really wish karma were a thing at this point because Princess Piche is playing with people's livelihoods and laughing about it, and this pisses me the hell off.

Let's not let this blow over. Let's not let him feel that sense of smug security. Let's really turn the screws here, and keep this fire burning. Because this is the man who sold the community out from under itself, and this is the man who claims to care about it. This is his idea of caring. He's a nobody now, and that will become obvious very soon if things continue as they are, but he still needs to take responsibility for his actions and this is the kind of shit that tells me that he thinks he never will.

Of course cause his livelihood now depends on how content he can keep us...
By having a boss(especially one that promoted "cutting out the fat") hes being watched and kept under review. If he does a poor job it will be on him and his team...
Yea the rest of the admin team are also gonna be looked at.
 

Lei-Lani

The South Pacific Sea H'otter
You know what? This is a giant middle finger to everybody who has had concerns about this whole thing. I really wish karma were a thing at this point because Princess Piche is playing with people's livelihoods and laughing about it, and this pisses me the hell off.

Let's not let this blow over. Let's not let him feel that sense of smug security. Let's really turn the screws here, and keep this fire burning. Because this is the man who sold the community out from under itself, and this is the man who claims to care about it. This is his idea of caring. He's a nobody now, and that will become obvious very soon if things continue as they are, but he still needs to take responsibility for his actions and this is the kind of shit that tells me that he thinks he never will.

This isn't really a 'big announcement". This is history here. FurAffinity has been bought out by another company. That's not really something you "announce"; it's something you write a full proposal about, and then hand to your users, outlining the strategies, changes, agreements, etc. So WHAT if we don't pay a dime to use this site?

Without us, FurAffinity doesn't exist. Period. I'd say that makes us all perfectly capable of receiving FULL transparency of this venture.

No, I don't see this just "going away" until we get that.
 

TheGreatCrusader

Avast, Ye Scurvy Dogs!

(Recent shouts)


Operation: Ostrich is in full effect. Don't expect any more answers to be forthcoming at this point (as if the complete lack of responses for the last 20 pages or so wasn't a hint). I guess the choice is suck it and up and see what happens, or get out.
You know what would help smooth things out? If they actually answered our perfectly valid (and still unanswered) questions.

It's really telling that the company that now owns these forums won't come here to answer our questions. They bought our site, but they don't want anything to do with us.

You know what? This is a giant middle finger to everybody who has had concerns about this whole thing. I really wish karma were a thing at this point because Princess Piche is playing with people's livelihoods and laughing about it, and this pisses me the hell off.
'Guys! Guys! Guys! Please! Put down your pitchforks. You have nothing to worry about.

Of course, I'm not going to provide any answers or evidence so you can put your minds to rest. Just trust me. Look at how well it worked before!'
 

Tchelline

Member
Dragoneer, since yesterday, has his little army of idiots mocking people with authentic and legitimate concerns with catchphrases such as "relax, so much furry drama" and the like.

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Also I want to raise awareness once again on the solid evidence we havof FA's art being stolen by Imvu:


Original submission:


http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7250797/


And how they sell it in their damned store:


http://es.imvu.com/shop/product.php?...ts_id=16211166


Original submission:


https://www.furaffinity.net/view/10900794/


And how they BLANTANTLY removed the watermark and sell it in their damned store:


http://es.imvu.com/shop/product.php?...ts_id=22067666
 
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Zepher_Tensho

Lodestar
You know what? This is a giant middle finger to everybody who has had concerns about this whole thing. I really wish karma were a thing at this point because Princess Piche is playing with people's livelihoods and laughing about it, and this pisses me the hell off.

Let's not let this blow over. Let's not let him feel that sense of smug security. Let's really turn the screws here, and keep this fire burning. Because this is the man who sold the community out from under itself, and this is the man who claims to care about it. This is his idea of caring. He's a nobody now, and that will become obvious very soon if things continue as they are, but he still needs to take responsibility for his actions and this is the kind of shit that tells me that he thinks he never will.

Couldn't have said it better myself. This is his cop-out to get out of the line of fire. Oh how he's mistaken.
I hope IMVU disposes of him and gives us someone competent, caring, and most of all, ACCOUNTABLE.
 

Runefox

Kitsune of the PC Master Race
Dragoneer, since yesterday, has his little army of idiots mocking people with authentic and legitimate concerns with catchphrases such as "relax, so much furry drama" and the like.
The unfortunate part of this is that there are a lot of people of neutral opinion who just don't care because either they legitimately see this as just more furry drama or they're trying to focus on keeping their business afloat and don't have time to care about this kind of thing. The problem with that though is that when the changes start to come down the pipeline, they're the ones who are going to be impacted the most as they're not paying attention and probably haven't been branching out to pad the blow.

As for the rest of your post, it should be made clear that IMVU themselves aren't doing this, but their users are. The problem though is that while IMVU isn't harvesting furry art to sell, they are the only ones making any money out of it, and the only way to have it taken down is by threatening legal action, which users of IMVU have come forward to say takes quite a while, and probably isn't going to be very reliable for artists outside the US. All that fails to take into account the fact that IMVU outright refuses to do anything to allow artists to browse the adult (or "AP") section of their site, which requires paying a fee to even access, which in turn means that it's impossible for an artist to know if their work has been stolen or not.
 

mcjoel

Pepmurrmint Fox
You know what? This is a giant middle finger to everybody who has had concerns about this whole thing. I really wish karma were a thing at this point because Princess Piche is playing with people's livelihoods and laughing about it, and this pisses me the hell off.Let's not let this blow over. Let's not let him feel that sense of smug security. Let's really turn the screws here, and keep this fire burning. Because this is the man who sold the community out from under itself, and this is the man who claims to care about it. This is his idea of caring. He's a nobody now, and that will become obvious very soon if things continue as they are, but he still needs to take responsibility for his actions and this is the kind of shit that tells me that he thinks he never will.
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Well said well said
 
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LizardKing

Guest
the only way to have it taken down is by threatening legal action, which users of IMVU have come forward to say takes quite a while, and probably isn't going to be very reliable for artists outside the US.

Relevant xkcd (tooltip). It would be literally illegal for them to put in any less effort. That's how much they care. And they now own FA.
 
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Tchelline

Member
Exactly Runefox, and the worst part is that not everyone can do a DMCA. One needs 3 things to do ot successfully: have legal assistance (that has a cost), living in the USA (because living outside only makes it much more harder) and be willing to waste a lot of time and effort.
 

Zepher_Tensho

Lodestar
Exactly Runefox, and the worst part is that not everyone can do a DMCA. One needs 3 things to do ot successfully: have legal assistance (that has a cost), living in the USA (because living outside only makes it much more harder) and be willing to waste a lot of time and effort.

What? You don't need a lawyer to file a DMCA, and there is no cost associated with it.
 

Blitza

Member
Exactly Runefox, and the worst part is that not everyone can do a DMCA. One needs 3 things to do ot successfully: have legal assistance (that has a cost), living in the USA (because living outside only makes it much more harder) and be willing to waste a lot of time and effort.

So there pretty won this Thing then ??? Thanks Neer you saved us !! Oh wait nah you selled us to the Devil !!!!!!!!!!!
 

mcjoel

Pepmurrmint Fox

Runefox

Kitsune of the PC Master Race
So since FA is a business and now owned by a non-furry corp...I gotta say this kinda thing is crappy customer service.

From all I've been able to gather about IMVU, the same can be said of our new Bratz-styled overlords.
 

Zepher_Tensho

Lodestar
Filling a form is free, but it does not work like magic, it is just the beggining of a process.

But that doesn't mean you need a lawyer. I've used DMCA requests in the past when people uploaded my work and claimed it as their own and the piece in particular was removed within days. If you needed to spend money on a lawyer then nobody would bother with DMCA.
 

Butters Shikkon

Patron Saint of Queers
Isn't that the way FAs always been so now its going to be 100x worse :c

I'm feeling ballsy today, so here's my no fucks opinion. It's quite clear Dragoneer is not really devoted to anyone but himself. He laughs off concerns, makes a mockery of security issues, and considers his opinion as the only one of any value. The only thing you can say he ever did right was somehow keep the site up. Which ANYONE could do with a userbase this niche. Why he even wants to run FA still is a mystery to me. It's not a passion for him and if he felt responsible for it, he would left the big boy jobs to someone who is actually qualified.

He's just a total embarrassment to this entire fandom. I was gonna get my best friend to join so she could take advantage of the art scene...but after I told her of this situation she's steering clear. Great job, Neer.

And I still think banning that one guy was the essence of pettiness. If my words sting, try imagining this situation from our side, fella.
 

Runefox

Kitsune of the PC Master Race
If my words sting, try imagining this situation from our side, fella.

I think Dragoneer honestly thought that this was going to go over well and was surprised at the reaction. After all, there's furries on IMVU, and now FurAffinity no longer needs to run on donations! And most importantly, he gets to keep his nominal position as king of the furries. What's not to love?
 

Butters Shikkon

Patron Saint of Queers
I think Dragoneer honestly thought that this was going to go over well and was surprised at the reaction. After all, there's furries on IMVU, and now FurAffinity no longer needs to run on donations! And most importantly, he gets to keep his nominal position as king of the furries. What's not to love?

Wow. This is like a twilight zone episode. You're the optimist today and I'm the pessimist. XD
 

Accountability

Enthusiastic Downloader
So I have a question.

Is there anybody here, anyone at all who still doubts that Piche in fact does not care about this entire situation?
Because this is the second time he's made a callous jab towards the outraged, disappointed, and fearful community openly.

Oh, he cares. Clearly he cares. Cares about making sure to suck the dick of his new corporate overlords. IMVU is perfect and great and you should be honored that they're profiting off of your stolen art, because that shows how much they care about (profiting off) furries. Now go away and look at your porn and stop worrying!!

Couldn't have said it better myself. This is his cop-out to get out of the line of fire. Oh how he's mistaken.
I hope IMVU disposes of him and gives us someone competent, caring, and most of all, ACCOUNTABLE.

I hope IMVU disposes of him and replaces him with someone just as bad, if not worse. The schadenfreude will be off the charts. He'll finally fall from the little perch he built himself, fading into irrelevance as "the guy that sold out FurAffinity"

"My name is Dragoneer, king of furs:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
 

Runefox

Kitsune of the PC Master Race
Wow. This is like a twilight zone episode. You're the optimist today and I'm the pessimist. XD
Well hey, I didn't say he had good intentions. I'm just saying he thinks we're as dumb as... Well, I won't go calling people names, but you can imagine who I mean.
 
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