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aquavixen

Like a fox!
LizardKing said:

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Operation: Ostrich is in full effect. Don't expect any more answers to be forthcoming at this point (as if the complete lack of responses for the last 20 pages or so wasn't a hint). I guess the choice is suck it and up and see what happens, or get out.
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Some of you on here may remember a few years ago when FA was hacked by someone on LULZ and all of the private messages ("NOTES") were downloaded and then dumped to the public.

Well right around that time, Dragoneer, himself, and the entire admin staff (At the time.. they might be the same folks today? I don't know), went around and mass ban-hammered anyone and everyone that mentioned or discussed it in public.

Anyone that made a journal or forum thread about it got banned, sent a warning message, and their post(s) deleted.

In fact, they all did such a very good job of "brushing it under the rug" that almost all folks new to the site within the past 2 years, don't even know it ever happened.

I'm not "enciting drama" with this post, I'm just telling the public about facts that happened in the past.

The information about this is out there, it's on the Encyclopedia Dramatica page, and folks can search for "FA Leaks" in google, there's an entire website set up with a search engine and still archives all the notes.

So yes, I'll probably get banned and this post deleted but I'm just stating facts that happened in the past.

Since they did such a great job at hiding the last event... I would imagine that fairly soon this entire forum thread will end up locked, and then deleted, and all information and questions and concerns in here will magically "disappear" and the site will continue business as usual as if none of this ever happened.
 
Verin Asper

Verin Asper

The Smart Idiot
so all it is right now is the waiting game...
right now nothing much have happened, we have seen some updates (the notes but I dunno if thats due to IMVU or our own coding team)
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man remember when Neer showed off that you can input images in journals....
 
FenrirDarkWolf

FenrirDarkWolf

Trapped in a Lucid Eclipse
Tbh, no matter what happens the art theft is still going to happen.
Maybe I'm not skilled enough of an artist to be worried I guess.
 
TheGreatCrusader

TheGreatCrusader

Avast, Ye Scurvy Dogs!
We are totally fucked. It's too late to do anything about this now. All of the papers have already been signed.

This is irreversible, no matter how much we don't like it.
 
CaptainCool

CaptainCool

Lady of the lake
TheGreatCrusader said:
We are totally fucked. It's too late to do anything about this now. All of the papers have already been signed.

This is irreversible, no matter how much we don't like it.
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You know... Right now I see mostly nerd rage. People don't like change, especially on the internet.
Why not just wait what actually happens?
 
Volkodav

Volkodav

Dad****er
Popped through furry art in general level store
most is falvie, botch, wolfynail,some othrr one i recognize
18+ is probably a goldmine
 
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aquavixen

Like a fox!
CaptainCool said:
You know... Right now I see mostly nerd rage. People don't like change, especially on the internet.
Why not just wait what actually happens?
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We've already waited. We're already being ignored in all of our concerns and questions are going unanswered. And the art theft is already happening (has been before the sale but now it's a lot more common than before). The waiting is over, it's happened and now we have to try to figure out how to deal with the consequences. The problem is all the users are in the dark and no one has any concrete information as to what's going on, which is the biggest problem with the big confusion and mass hysteria.
 
Volkodav

Volkodav

Dad****er
Ill come up with list later of art sources
whatever happens, do not file dmca for art that isnt yours. Its a legal procedure thst rarely gets past "take this down or else", it isn't just fancy text
 
TheArchiver

TheArchiver

Ace Documenter
aquavixen said:
Some of you on here may remember a few years ago when FA was hacked by someone on LULZ and all of the private messages ("NOTES") were downloaded and then dumped to the public.

Well right around that time, Dragoneer, himself, and the entire admin staff (At the time.. they might be the same folks today? I don't know), went around and mass ban-hammered anyone and everyone that mentioned or discussed it in public.

Anyone that made a journal or forum thread about it got banned, sent a warning message, and their post(s) deleted.

In fact, they all did such a very good job of "brushing it under the rug" that almost all folks new to the site within the past 2 years, don't even know it ever happened.

I'm not "enciting drama" with this post, I'm just telling the public about facts that happened in the past.

The information about this is out there, it's on the Encyclopedia Dramatica page, and folks can search for "FA Leaks" in google, there's an entire website set up with a search engine and still archives all the notes.

So yes, I'll probably get banned and this post deleted but I'm just stating facts that happened in the past.

Since they did such a great job at hiding the last event... I would imagine that fairly soon this entire forum thread will end up locked, and then deleted, and all information and questions and concerns in here will magically "disappear" and the site will continue business as usual as if none of this ever happened.
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That's fine.
My print screen key works.
 
Volkodav

Volkodav

Dad****er
Users should not be getting banned on here prior to receiving warnings for their behaviour.. or is the infraction system only used when people feel like it?
Clear my infractions pls
 
PastryOfApathy

PastryOfApathy

Well-Known Member
AshleyAshes said:
Within any nation that is a signatory of the Berne Convention, any creative work is immediately protected by copyright to the creator upon creation.
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You still got to prove you made it, and in IMVU's case it has to be in the form of a DMCA which I'm pretty sure requires copyright protection or something similar. Plus this isn't Youtube so you can't just whine to Google and make it go away.
 
AshleyAshes

AshleyAshes

Arcade Snowmew Of Doom
PastryOfApathy said:
You still got to prove you made it, and in IMVU's case it has to be in the form of a DMCA which I'm pretty sure requires copyright protection or something similar. Plus this isn't Youtube so you can't just whine to Google and make it go away.
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Yes, you would, you would have to prove in court that you created the work originally but in the vast majority of cases, proving ownership would not be difficult. In addition to this, it's unlikely that IMVU would ever contest ownership, they'd attempt to contest liability, assuming they didn't cave to the initial DMCA notice that is. But any work would be legally protected by copyright without registration, of course, registration can certainly help, but really only a concern if you fear that someone may attempt to claim ownership from you and you'd be in a weak position. (Like if you've NEVER released your creative work. Maybe you worked on the greatest novel ever in secret, it's finished, and someone stole the manuscript and intended to publish it on their own). But something you published to the internet with a long history of being published by you, no problem.

Also, if IMVU ever contested a DMCA claim it would go public fast and FA would BURN. Like, ALL the artists would collectively bail at that point.
 
Butters Shikkon

Butters Shikkon

Patron Saint of Queers
FenrirDarkWolf said:
I feel like people leaving would hurt the artist more than anything if they don't have a big following on another site.
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The people who pay for commissions are really important! The artists wanna go where they are, but the odd thing is that the commissioners go where the art/artists are. All it would take is a significant enough push to get everyone over to another new art site.

Last year, almost half the artists left because of Zaush's admin status. Will IMVU's terrible handling of art left be FA's undoing? It's up to the artists and the consumers to decide.
 
PastryOfApathy

PastryOfApathy

Well-Known Member
Butters Shikkon said:
The people who pay for commissions are really important! The artists wanna go where they are, but the odd thing is that the commissioners go where the art/artists are. All it would take is a significant enough push to get everyone over to another new art site.

Last year, almost half the artists left because of Zaush's admin status. Will IMVU's terrible handling of art left be FA's undoing? It's up to the artists and the consumers to decide.
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Honestly the FA "brand" is still strong enough to maintain a large chunk of the furry "market". It would take IMVU banning porn/fetish shit or royally fucking people who rely on commissions for their to be any major switch.
 
Volkodav

Volkodav

Dad****er
PastryOfApathy said:
Honestly the FA "brand" is still strong enough to maintain a large chunk of the furry "market". It would take IMVU banning porn/fetish shit or royally fucking people who rely on commissions for their to be any major switch.
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1. Merge w/ largest/most popular furry art
2. Allow art theft to run rampant with false promises
3. Make money off of stolen art from most popular furry artists
4. Own the site most popular furry artists stay on. Don't like it, leave, bitches
It's a conspiracy
 
Butters Shikkon

Butters Shikkon

Patron Saint of Queers
PastryOfApathy said:
Honestly the FA "brand" is still strong enough to maintain a large chunk of the furry "market". It would take IMVU banning porn/fetish shit or royally fucking people who rely on commissions for their to be any major switch.
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That's a pity. I watch a ton of people on Weasyl and it's attracted some really awesome artists (my fiance refuses to use FA). This "brand" power is one of the silliest things I've seen people let inconvenience the community. Why deal with Neer and IMVU? If you're an uber popufur, just use your influence for a migration...then you can have folders and a nice staff.

Or you could stick with FA and all it's stress. It's easy as pie.
 
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