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Zepher_Tensho

Lodestar
I will admit, this might be exactly what happens. People have a tendency to blow over stuff with time. For example, an annoying fucktard is an annoying fucktard, but if he's one that you're already used to, you begin to care less about what the annoying person does.

Normally I'd agree but this is different. It's more than just a controversial issue, it's something that will eventually change FA forever. No one believes IMVU bought FA out of their love of furries, so something will happen. It's just a matter of how long til it does.
 

Butters Shikkon

Patron Saint of Queers
And why IMVU? They seem to be quite furry-phobic and not open with furries at all. :(

How do you figure? They've already got fimvu urry ads on the main site.
 

krystalfox77

Offcial Krystal
How do you figure? They've already got fimvu urry ads on the main site.
The fact the process to file DMCA claims on your art is a long convoluted process and that you can't just look up a product, you have to spend credits on it to look at it, make an account. To me, that's bullshit and unnecessary. If something was stolen from there to here, no one would care. Dragoneer doesn't care about us, and he never will. If he did, he wouldn't have been a coward about not telling us after two sodding months after the deal was made. What kind of person does that to a huge furry community? Certainly not a caring owner. He cares about money, not how well the site does. Should I keep posting art and risk some numskull over there stealing it?
 

rjbartrop

Active Member
Of course cause his livelihood now depends on how content he can keep us...
By having a boss(especially one that promoted "cutting out the fat") hes being watched and kept under review. If he does a poor job it will be on him and his team...
Yea the rest of the admin team are also gonna be looked at.

Yes, if there is one positive in all this, it's that keeping a roof over his head now depends on keeping us all happy, and if this is actually about ad revenue, it also depends on ensuring as many eyeballs as possible remain focused on FA.
 

Volkodav

Dad****er
Going back through "wall hangings" next. This was "picture frames" with the tag "furry". There are a LOT more images I couldn't source/recognized but couldn't remember, etc
These are being posted under the assumption that they were posted without permission.
If you don't own these images, do not file a DMCA

Falvie:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6544618/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=28211147
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/13126040/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=28090321
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11252997/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=27820609
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9242425/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=27820134
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9220323/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=27820481
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7598439/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=27820114
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7195046/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=27820459
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9772436/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=27820523
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9323017/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=19046811
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=27043736
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10903223/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=26885409
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9929831/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=26531877
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8741275/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=26885462
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/14451276/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=28090390

Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=26885554


Miles-DF:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/12196963/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=27835742


Zen:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6840215/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=19817272
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2223226/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=13915646

Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=19817231


Shiuk:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1671741/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=19192342
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=16347094

Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4421670/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=8649609

Miupix:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1325790/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=16800044


Strype:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1266054/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=10328151


Blotch:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/897968/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=10026612

Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=9896651
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=5850922
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=3838894


JunoWolf:
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=7369969

Sidian:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3619798/
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=7321693


Orange04:
Stolen: http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=3322826
 

Runefox

Kitsune of the PC Master Race
The problem of proving that an artist is the original creator of a work is compounded by the fact that IMVU has no submission date information posted on its product pages. Though make no mistake, the requirement for a DMCA isn't an "anti-furry" thing, don't conflate it with such nonsense: It's specifically because they don't want to have to spend the resources to police their store unless absolutely necessary. If an artist doesn't want to file a DMCA? Great! That art keeps making them money, and they don't have to lift a finger.

The fact that these guys run their business this way and that they're profiting off stolen work either way (and rather unapologetically) should really be the most alarming part about all this.
 

Tchelline

Member
To be fair...Panderp is a wee bit suspicious because he/she never tried to take action before. It's been a long time. Plus, he/she has to fork over legal proof and its just a too much of a mess to say who is in the right.

Meh, I wouldn't hold my hopes high on a guy who literally tweeted about "asking my mother if I can sue them" ¬_¬
 

Volkodav

Dad****er
I think (based on what I've been told) that an artist filing a DMCA is given benefit of the doubt in a situation like that purely because IMVU doesn't want to get it's hands dirty arguing with a legal request. If they can just delete a stolen image instead of argue with a DMCA, I think they'll choose that option.

Meh, I wouldn't hold my hopes high on a guy who literally tweeted about "asking my mother if I can sue them" ¬_¬
Mother-in-law*** who is a lawyer or something, and asking if there were any options**
 
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Runefox

Kitsune of the PC Master Race
As long as you're looking, yes, there are a few by Jeremy Bernal, whom I'm sure will be tickled pink.
 

Tchelline

Member
I can't believe Dragoneer still believes everything is ok after the 864 and counting stolen items shown in those screenshots.

Our main enemy though is the average furry user who takes this all as a joke, as "another furry drama season to laugh at".
 

Tchelline

Member
As long as you're looking, yes, there are a few by Jeremy Bernal, whom I'm sure will be tickled pink.

Then tell him. We won't have much of an impact unless famous artists start to show that, effectively, IMVU is condoning art theft.

Although, art theft is not our biggest problem. The danger of premium accounts and massive ban of adult content is still latent and moderately possible.
 

krystalfox77

Offcial Krystal
Why he sold them off to IMVU I'll never know, Second Life would have been a better choice. He waited to effing months to tell the entire community, why? Something about doing so being pusillanimous? Would it hurt his reputation?

Then tell him. We won't have much of an impact unless famous artists start to show that, effectively, IMVU is condoning art theft.

Although, art theft is not our biggest problem. The danger of premium accounts and massive ban of adult content is still latent and moderately possible.

Oh believe me, should that ever happen, I will personally tell everyone off over there how I really feel, in fact, I would tell them, straight up, to fuck themselves sideways and burn in hell. Again, IF that should ever happen. I'll do it to, and I will rally others to do the same.
 
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mcjoel

Pepmurrmint Fox
All that stolen art makes me sick to my stomach and the thing that pisses me off the most is that IMUV makes all the profit from it since they use this point system all yhe money stays within the website as I highly doubt that you can cash in your points for actual money.
 

Kragith Zedrok

Black and Red All Day Long
He doesn't believe everything is ok. He knows its not. He just does not care.

Its not his to care about anymore. Plainly, its "out of his hands" and he was probably sick and tired of everyone judging his moves (for a many good reasons) and just said F this, made a deal with the most recent person and WOOSH away the problems go.
 
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Zepher_Tensho

Lodestar
Its not his to care about anymore. Plainly, its "out of his hands" and he was probably sick and tired of everyone judging his moves (for a many good reasons) and just said F this, made a deal with the most recent person and WOOSH away the problems go.

He should at least act like he cares, lest his new bosses think him a poor employee and strip him of his admin rank.
 

krystalfox77

Offcial Krystal
Its not his to care about anymore. Plainly, its "out of his hands" and he was probably sick and tired of everyone judging his moves (for a many good reasons) and just said F this, made a deal with the most recent person and WOOSH away the problems go.

That's a very cowardly way for him to deal with problems. "Eh, I don't want to deal with my problems, so I'll let someone else deal with my problems for me". How nice of him. Even when asking about IMVU and flagging DMCA claims, he wasn't so sure on whether or not you had to sign up, he's on the damned site, he should know these things.


Source: http://s13.postimg.org/n0dfg9olj/fggfsdg.png

Is transparency really that hard to get from him? :(
 
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Tchelline

Member
Gentlemen, the amount of posts related to this issue has been severely reduced, both here and in the Fender's five journal row. Dragoneer is getting what he wants, people are progresively stopping to care and forget.
 

Butters Shikkon

Patron Saint of Queers
I think it's so great that Fleshy and the other IMVU users are so helpful. That goes for everyone who is posting about the stolen art too.
 

Roshiyu

New Member
Well, it seems that one of the IMVU patrons finally found out why this business deal is somewhat bad on their end. I'll just drag the quote over.

"I won't assume that you are referring to my post but in case you are, please allow me to clarify. I have no intention of dismissing and/or demeaning you and yours or any other furry here or on FA. My concerns are not even furry based. My shock is that Varsha posted a direct link to a site that with the entry of a user name, an email address and a password, any underage child from THIS website can access pornographic material on the FA site. Not only is this against their own TOS rules, but they placed it here in an all age area of the forums and are very proud of it. Within 3 clicks of being on the FA site, my eyes were reading very explicit pornographic stories and viewing questionable images of child-like video game characters engaging in adult relations. THIS whole thread does NOT belong in a GA area of this forum. THAT is what I am disgusted by, not by you and your community. Hope that helps to clear that up. May you rule your day!
icon_smile.gif
"

Now we just have to wait for IMVU's private investors, or points card carriers, to hear about this and the real storm can begin.
 

Volkodav

Dad****er
Some more from the 18+ Imgur link. Pictures boxed in red are the stolen ones listed below. Blue-boxed means I recognize it from FA but can't remember who made it. Green-boxed means I believe it's stolen from Jeremy Bernal (I can't find his site)
Links to e621 aren't actually the "original" but link to the full res.

This is what I've got so far, I'm about halfway through. It goes without saying that these are all NSFW.
Do not file DMCAs if you don't own the art

http://imgur.com/a/0I9EB

Ifus:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3183816/

Miles-DF:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6854164/

Icee:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7752562/

TrueGrave9:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7532654/

Null-Ghost:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3728204

J.Axer:
Original: https://e621.net/post/show/318514/4_toes-anthro-anus-barefoot-blue_hair-breasts-cani

EelYak:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7207087/

Falvie:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7623723/
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8431527/


SnowRoseRivenStar:
Original: https://e621.net/post/show/143778/anailaigh-anthro-breasts-clothed-clothing-equine-f

Blotch:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/495710/

Amun:
Original: https://e621.net/post/show/73885/2010-amun-anthro-bed-bedroom-blue_eyes-border_coll

Onta:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1153556/

Kadath:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7552214/

DaggerLeonelli:
Original: https://e621.net/post/show/51197/-3-anthro-breasts-canine-chest_tuft-collar-dagger_

Strype:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1266054/
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/914940/


Etuix:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7720784/

EnjoiPANDAS:
Original: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7547870/
 

krystalfox77

Offcial Krystal
Well, it seems that one of the IMVU patrons finally found out why this business deal is somewhat bad on their end. I'll just drag the quote over.

"I won't assume that you are referring to my post but in case you are, please allow me to clarify. I have no intention of dismissing and/or demeaning you and yours or any other furry here or on FA. My concerns are not even furry based. My shock is that Varsha posted a direct link to a site that with the entry of a user name, an email address and a password, any underage child from THIS website can access pornographic material on the FA site. Not only is this against their own TOS rules, but they placed it here in an all age area of the forums and are very proud of it. Within 3 clicks of being on the FA site, my eyes were reading very explicit pornographic stories and viewing questionable images of child-like video game characters engaging in adult relations. THIS whole thread does NOT belong in a GA area of this forum. THAT is what I am disgusted by, not by you and your community. Hope that helps to clear that up. May you rule your day!
icon_smile.gif
"

Now we just have to wait for IMVU's private investors, or points card carriers, to hear about this and the real storm can begin.

That is...rather jarring that underage individuals have been gaining access to material so easily on the IMVU website...ugh :( That being said, I'm glad the admins are opening their eyes and seeing this as a fatal mistake.
 

PastryOfApathy

Well-Known Member
Well, it seems that one of the IMVU patrons finally found out why this business deal is somewhat bad on their end. I'll just drag the quote over.

"I won't assume that you are referring to my post but in case you are, please allow me to clarify. I have no intention of dismissing and/or demeaning you and yours or any other furry here or on FA. My concerns are not even furry based. My shock is that Varsha posted a direct link to a site that with the entry of a user name, an email address and a password, any underage child from THIS website can access pornographic material on the FA site. Not only is this against their own TOS rules, but they placed it here in an all age area of the forums and are very proud of it. Within 3 clicks of being on the FA site, my eyes were reading very explicit pornographic stories and viewing questionable images of child-like video game characters engaging in adult relations. THIS whole thread does NOT belong in a GA area of this forum. THAT is what I am disgusted by, not by you and your community. Hope that helps to clear that up. May you rule your day!
icon_smile.gif
"

Now we just have to wait for IMVU's private investors, or points card carriers, to hear about this and the real storm can begin.

Well at least we have concrete proof that IMVU knows damn well what they're getting themselves into. Poor bastards.
 
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