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Smelge

Hey, Assbutt
And going backwards through an anus up to a mouth doesn't work, go ahead and try it.

I know, usually sphincters are one-way, but you somehow manage to force yourself that far up FA's arse that it actually breaks biology. Good job!

And it doesn't matter if you kissed and made up afterwards. You still have a history of doing that kind of thing. There is no justifiable reason to start contacting an artists loved ones unless they've genuinely run off with your money, not because they did someone else in their commissions queue first, or because they wanted a break from repeated harassment. It's not ok, and trying to make excuses for it again shows a lack of awareness of being in the wrong.

Oh look!

"Artist I harrassed won't work with me again, how do I make him?":
https://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/131049-Artist-doesn-t-want-to-do-work-for-me-anymore

"Artist blocked me, why can't I harass him some more?":
https://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/132946
 
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PheagleAdler

Well-Known Member
I know, usually sphincters are one-way, but you somehow manage to force yourself that far up FA's arse that it actually breaks biology. Good job!

And it doesn't matter if you kissed and made up afterwards. You still have a history of doing that kind of thing. There is no justifiable reason to start contacting an artists loved ones unless they've genuinely run off with your money, not because they did someone else in their commissions queue first, or because they wanted a break from repeated harassment. It's not ok, and trying to make excuses for it again shows a lack of awareness of being in the wrong.

I'm not making excuses for a bad history with one artist, and I'd appreciate it if you'd shut your mouth about it out of respect for the artist. This is old crap that doesn't need to be brought up. It's over, done with, we've both moved on. Your sorry ass hasn't.

And as far as FA goes, I support the site, that's it. I'm not up its ass or whiteknighting or anything stupid like that. The sooner you realize that, the sooner your HS Diploma will mean something to me.
 

AshleyAshes

Arcade Snowmew Of Doom
Much more seriously, the IMVU situation is pretty simple. IMVU profits from the sale of these pirated artworks. These profits are part of the funds that not only purchased Fur Affinity but go into each and every one of Dragoneer's paycheques now that he's on IMVU's payroll. Dragoneer and IMVU thus have a significantly increased responsibility to protect the artists of FurAffinity beyond meerly obeying copryright laws by using the DMCA.
 

MoonRiverz

New Member
Well, it seems that one of the IMVU patrons finally found out why this business deal is somewhat bad on their end. I'll just drag the quote over.

"I won't assume that you are referring to my post but in case you are, please allow me to clarify. I have no intention of dismissing and/or demeaning you and yours or any other furry here or on FA. My concerns are not even furry based. My shock is that Varsha posted a direct link to a site that with the entry of a user name, an email address and a password, any underage child from THIS website can access pornographic material on the FA site. Not only is this against their own TOS rules, but they placed it here in an all age area of the forums and are very proud of it. Within 3 clicks of being on the FA site, my eyes were reading very explicit pornographic stories and viewing questionable images of child-like video game characters engaging in adult relations. THIS whole thread does NOT belong in a GA area of this forum. THAT is what I am disgusted by, not by you and your community. Hope that helps to clear that up. May you rule your day!
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Now we just have to wait for IMVU's private investors, or points card carriers, to hear about this and the real storm can begin.

I am the person you quoted from the IMVU forums. My response you quoted was in response to another post I made earlier, which may or may not have been assumed that I was calling the furry fandom 'disgusting'. Below is my previous post, screenshot for your conveinence.
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I have been reading this entire thread since last night. I have read every single post on it. I have laughed at the quick wit of some of the users and mentally slapped a few others for dumbing me down. I have been a member of IMVU for over 5 years. I am a 42 year old woman, loving wife and devoted mother. I am not a ditzy bratz-styled lame-assed teenager. I own my home, pay taxes and jump on IMVU to chill with me and mine. I am a content creator who does so to support myself financially. I hang out in game with my real life husband, my best friend, my sister and my sister-in-law. We get together and laugh, chat, shop, design and just have fun within our group. There are a ton of mistruths being spread about the member base of IMVU and maybe I could set a few of them straight. Or you could just tell me to go to hell. :)

*First of all, most importantly, IMVU is not the only ones who make real world cash in game. Creators are permitted to sell their credits earned to Registered Resellers, whose sole purpose is to buy credits off of the user base to resell at a cheaper price to other members. There are some designers who are making 6 figure real world salaries off of their virtual catalogs. Google Registered IMVU Resellers to check them out for yourself.. NOT ALL DESIGNERS STEAL ARTWORK!!!! NOT ALL USERS SELL ILLEGALLY GOTTEN CREDITS!!!!

*Just because you find a product in the store with stolen art, does not necesarily mean THAT particular user themselves stole it. There are many users who sell files (texture packs), as well as art they claim is theirs, such as DP's (default pics), homepage layouts, banners, etc. These are sold via in game credits and Paypal and mostly sold through private groups on the app. When finding a piece of your own work on IMVU, you must go through the links of the derivative to find who uploaded it. If you find a 0kb upload in someone's store, it is just a repost with a higher price tag added to it. Some folks even HIDE the original creator and reupload as their own, but going back through the blue links will allow you to sometimes find the original creator. Only VIP's have their items shown in the store. If you are a creator and do not have an active VIP account your products are removed from the store base. So what you see today, may not be there tomorrow, vice-versa. If another user has a direct link to your product and you are not a VIP user, they can still derive from your product (if permitted), buy it, try it, etc. This is true even for disabled/banned users products. You all have your work cut out for you!
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*UFI (unfit for IMVU) products are not permitted on IMVU. There is an underground illegal user base in IMVU that sales UFI products on the blackmarket. You can Google IMVU blackmarket to satisfy your own curiosities. I will not hotlink them here. If you are found to be selling UFI products, you are immediately banned. This is what infuriates me that Varsha would post the direct link to this site in the GA forum, knowing full well it's intended average product base. Over and over I read of how much smut and pornography is posted on this site. IMVU also discontinued use of any UFI product because they could then not advertise their gift cards in the likes of Wal-Mart and such. They wish to be seen as family friendly and by acquiring this site makes us question them now.
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*The paywall set in place on IMVU AP is a set process. When I myself signed up for it, I had to verify my age by inputting my Social Security Number and providing a credit card in my name. I also have to regularly send in to customer support selfies of myself holding my photo ID and my credit card to make purchases, such as credits, shared rooms, etc. I am beyond pissed that they callously linked this site to their GA forum after the hoops I must jump through to view adult content, such as a bar, a stripper pole or have access to giving someone the middle finger. We cannot even share our photos from any AP public or private chat room anywhere on IMVU, except the specified AP forum. As you can see from my post above, even the words PORN are bleeped out because it was posted in the GA area of the forums. You cannot have anything AP wise on your profile card, or listed in any of your interests or share any of your AP photos in any public album. Your default pic cannot contain any AP items whatsoever, not even an AP backdrop!! But they can direct link in a GA forum to this site that is filled with what we consider to be AP content. We all know underage children lie about their age and this FA site alone has no steps in place to stop anyone from creating a fake account and using it.

*Users can be banned for simply swearing in a GA (General Access) public chat room. ANY product tagged for reporting can get a very innocent GA rating slapped with an AP rating and there is nothing you can do about it. You can be disabled if you wrongly flag a set amount of new products through Peer Review (how items are approved into game). I personally have 15 wrongful flags against myself because what I did not pass was perfectly allowed through IMVU on the GA rating, so they claim. I no longer participate in the Peer Review activity due to this because I do not wish to threaten my account. Each user makes 5 credits per review, up to 750 credits daily. These are considered preedits and can only be used to purchase items for yourself.

So now you have an idea of why I am infuriated with the FA post on the GA forums. A better understanding of what you have to look forward to and I am open to any questions you may need to know about the app itself. Maybe also a few of you could stop ragging so badly on the average IMVU user base as well. Some of you are just cold hearted!
 

Smelge

Hey, Assbutt
I'm not making excuses for a bad history with one artist, and I'd appreciate it if you'd shut your mouth about it out of respect for the artist. This is old crap that doesn't need to be brought up. It's over, done with, we've both moved on. Your sorry ass hasn't.
Actually, it's very relevant. It shows that you've had a lack of respect for artists in the past, and you're continuing to see them as disposable assets there for you to get what you want, regardless of their feelings.

And as far as FA goes, I support the site, that's it. I'm not up its ass or whiteknighting or anything stupid like that. The sooner you realize that, the sooner your HS Diploma will mean something to me.

Actually, what you do is defend it undyingly for all it's faults, regardless of how bad they are. You stick up for it at every turn. That is the textbook definition of a white knight.
 

PheagleAdler

Well-Known Member
Actually, it's very relevant. It shows that you've had a lack of respect for artists in the past, and you're continuing to see them as disposable assets there for you to get what you want, regardless of their feelings.

No, I don't, and you're pretty damn stupid if you think otherwise. I don't think they're disposable, they're very important. But of course someone like you would lack the intelligence to see that, and instead focus on something stupid I did a few years ago. Seriously, get over yourself.

Actually, what you do is defend it undyingly for all it's faults, regardless of how bad they are. You stick up for it at every turn. That is the textbook definition of a white knight.

I don't 'defend' it, I support it, and there's a decent number of things I would change about the site, just like everyone else.
 

PheagleAdler

Well-Known Member
Name one bad thing about FA and it's staff.

The site hasn't had a good history with promises, I'm well aware of everything we were supposed to get and I'm still wondering where that recent UI preview is.
 

Smelge

Hey, Assbutt
My post history has to do with how many idiots I've had to respond to.
Funny that. If people don't agree with you they must be the idiots? Right?

Also, kind of ironic how you say I'm the one being insulting because you don't 'subscribe to how I think things should go" when it's actually the other way around.

Can we have a better argument than "NO U"? I'm missing the French air crash coverage for this, so at least make it worth my time.
 

PheagleAdler

Well-Known Member
Funny that. If people don't agree with you they must be the idiots? Right?



Can we have a better argument than "NO U"? I'm missing the French air crash coverage for this, so at least make it worth my time.

It must be worth your time otherwise you'd have stopped a while ago. I'm throwing it back at you because it's true, not because I can say "No U"
People aren't idiots because they don't agree with me. People are idiots because they assume I'm the Antichrist just because I didn't go along with whatever they said. It's fine to have opinions, it's not fine to crucify anyone that disagrees with those opinions.
 

Smelge

Hey, Assbutt
You haven't heard the old saying?

If you see idiots everywhere, maybe the problem isn't them, it's you.
 

PheagleAdler

Well-Known Member
You haven't heard the old saying?

If you see idiots everywhere, maybe the problem isn't them, it's you.

Everywhere? No, I don't, just the regular band of em that always shows up. There's a select few that have an issue with taking up arguments with me, and you've recently joined their ranks apparently, and I'm sorry to hear that.
 

RTDragon

RTP User
No, I don't, and you're pretty damn stupid if you think otherwise. I don't think they're disposable, they're very important. But of course someone like you would lack the intelligence to see that, and instead focus on something stupid I did a few years ago. Seriously, get over yourself.

Actually you do considering your posts here make it clear and from those two thread Smelgle posted you were banned before for those posts. And one of the former mods has a point that can be used against you in an Artist Beware. Plus you really don't know very much about copyright or rights. So basically i will not be surprised if these artists find your posts and start blacklisting you as someone to avoid since you actually commission people. Considering your posts can be used against you.
 

PheagleAdler

Well-Known Member
Oh, that's ok then. I just assumed that you saw everyone you talked to as idio....WAIT A MINUTE...



Ah, immediate contradictions. An FA tradition.

Well, if I didn't have to constantly respond to you, I would haven't that problem, now would I?

Actually you do considering your posts here make it clear and from those two thread Smelgle posted you were banned before for those posts. And one of the former mods has a point that can be used against you in an Artist Beware. Plus you really don't know very much about copyright or rights. So basically i will not be surprised if these artists find your posts and start blacklisting you as someone to avoid since you actually commission people. Considering your posts can be used against you.

Yes, I am fully aware, Einstein. Times change, I have moved on from that, but a simpleton like you who has nothing else to do but argue with me would not see that, would he?
 

krystalfox77

Offcial Krystal
Just read the recent posts from the time I went to bed last night
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I don't know what happened, but people really should at least try to see things eye to eye instead of name-calling. We should all agree that FA, as a site, has a lot that needs resolving and that the current owner, Dragoneer needs to step forward and come up with a better explanation on how things will pan out, now that two major sites have merged, and how FA will be unaffected (or so he states on his Twitter). The drama on Fender's journal has, well, heh, gone to levels I've personally never seen on FA.
 

Calemeyr

Vere Adeptus
So no aroused genitals on IMVU. Then why did IMVU purchase FA, when a large amount of the porn here involves aroused genitals? By the posted chart above, it seems the most you can see on IMVU is Cinemax/HBO level stuff, but FA is full blown hardcore porno spoof. Just doesn't make much sense.
 

krystalfox77

Offcial Krystal
So no aroused genitals on IMVU. Then why did IMVU purchase FA, when a large amount of the porn here involves aroused genitals? By the posted chart above, it seems the most you can see on IMVU is Cinemax/HBO level stuff, but FA is full blown hardcore porno spoof. Just doesn't make much sense.

Not to mention the so-called reassurances I've seen on the IMVU forums that are many furry users on there, or some crap like that. Why the hell did Dragoneer, in a drunken stupor, decide to sell FA to a site that shuns 70 or percent of the content on FA? I sincerely hope no one is defending 'Neer's bullshit.
 
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Smelge

Hey, Assbutt
Well, if I didn't have to constantly respond to you, I would haven't that problem, now would I?

Yes, I am fully aware, Einstein. Times change, I have moved on from that, but a simpleton like you who has nothing else to do but argue with me would not see that, would he?

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. If people don't see things your way, you categorise them like idiots. RTDragon was in no way rude, but posted an opinion that doesn't align with your opinion, so your immediate response was to talk down to him. See, what you're doing is being in denial about your atittude to people. You get attacked because you're instantly hostile to people who don't instantly agree with you.
 

Calemeyr

Vere Adeptus
Not to mention the so-called reassurances I've seen on the IMVU forums that are many furry users on there, or some crap like that.
Maybe they made many accounts, but then saw it was watered-down SL, and then said "F it, I'm going back to SL."

Speaking of SL, what will happen to custom avatar screenshots? Kind of a conflict of interest for IMVU, especially if they show off FA works and SL stuff happens to be there.
 
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PheagleAdler

Well-Known Member
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. If people don't see things your way, you categorise them like idiots. RTDragon was in no way rude, but posted an opinion that doesn't align with your opinion, so your immediate response was to talk down to him. See, what you're doing is being in denial about your atittude to people. You get attacked because you're instantly hostile to people who don't instantly agree with you.

An opinion, about me. Stop focusing on me and you'll see less hostility. Get it? I'm not going to just say "yes, you think I'm stupid and ignorant, so it must be true." I will tell you to shove that opinion up your ass though.

Consider focusing your anger at the site, not me. Thank you.
 

Smelge

Hey, Assbutt
Maybe they made many accounts, but then saw it was watered-down SL, and then said "F it, I'm going back to SL."

The problem with IMVU is that nobody has heard of it. The furry community for that kind of thing is embedded in SL. To me, the acquisition seems more like a cynical "if we own their site, maybe they'll make the switch". They want to audience, but I suspect they've been mis-sold this site. They thought they were getting a captive audience without knowing the kind of history it had with the users, and how badly the site has fucked people over in the past. I get the impression that a lot of people were looking for an excuse to make a switch, and as fuck-up followed fuck-up it's making it seem more of a sensible plan to start migrating.

An opinion, about me. Stop focusing on me and you'll see less hostility. Get it? I'm not going to just say "yes, you think I'm stupid and ignorant, so it must be true." I will tell you to shove that opinion up your ass though.

He was saying stuff that is backed up by proof and evidence, and your behaviour on public forums means that a pretty accurate picture can be drawn. If evidence is stacking up against it, maybe you need to take a look at your past and current actions and make an effort to rectify them rather than dismissing everyone. Slightly altering it, if everyone around you sees a problem, sometims the reason you don't see it is because you are it.
 
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krystalfox77

Offcial Krystal
Maybe they made many accounts, but then saw it was watered-down SL, and then said "F it, I'm going back to SL."

Speaking of SL, what will happen to custom avatar screenshots? Kind of a conflict of interest for IMVU, especially if they show off FA works and SL stuff happens to be there.


Simple, tell the high-ups who see the SL work to fuck off. Couldn't be more simple, right? And it feels good to tell them off for screwing us over. Either that, or simply install ad-blocking add-ons for Chrome/Firefox that block anything the place? I don't know what would happen, SL is better than that stupid IMVU site will ever be anyways. Sorry, but Second Life will get more money way before IMVU does, as that will be a cold day in hell.
 

Smelge

Hey, Assbutt
Simple, tell the high-ups who see the SL work to fuck off. Couldn't be more simple, right? And it feels good to tell them off for screwing us over. Either that, or simply install ad-blocking add-ons for Chrome/Firefox that block anything the place? I don't know what would happen, SL is better than that stupid IMVU site will ever be anyways. Sorry, but Second Life will get more money way before IMVU does, as that will be a cold day in hell.

Personally, I think SL and IMVU screenshots have no place on an art site unless it's content that the submitter has actually created. Which it rarely is.
 
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