FA/IMVU Discussion

[Verin Asper]

Volkodav, manage to get word from one of me mates, said they'll spend some time monday checking out IMVU for better images, they also advise that the best thing to do is to also have a google doc of this that can be updated and checked.

KrystalFox77, I would advise scouting out those sites before hand and see whats you provide will fit along with it, just note both Inkbunny and SoFurry still allow cub porn, but both sites enforce a tagging system and have a black list system.

Everyone else, I'm sure we are still civilized in our conversations (minus noah...that was uncalled for) just instead of hoping this topic gets locked its best to let it run its course. We can still help each other and this topic can remain around to talk about things that have changed for FA and IMVU from this situation.

 

[Tchelline]

Every furry has the right to live in a world where Dragoneer can't hurt them. He has caused so much damage to all of us, and this blow goes beyond anything anybody can forgive.

 

[RTDragon]

Meh. I grew a spine & spoke up. Whether you agree or not is completely up to you, but I will no longer stay quiet due to flak. I expressed my opinion, and I'm not changing it. If you think I'm not thinking before I post, you may want to read my statement alongside with all the things before it.

Please, this feels like a YouTube comment war.

Not from what your posts say you seem to lack understanding of the situation. I would suggest you lurk a bit more in forums before you speak.

 

[RCRuskin]

I'm curious on something.

Has anyone told IMVu that Mr. Piche did not own clear title to FA?

 

[BRN]

It's worth raising the token statement that many users of FA don't feel compelled to channel their chi into the shitstorm claiming to speak for everybody's interests, and that those users are artists and consumers alike.

What would you say to those people to try and rouse them if they don't particularly feel like anything has really happened?

 

[GalaxyBlessed]

Has anyone told IMVu that Mr. Piche did not own clear title to FA?

that is a possibility, but so far no one has any real evidence to back this claim up. the Panderp guy is still digging through documents to see if he can find the evidence. until he has legitimate evidence of such, that is only conjecture and rumor. If he find and proves this, then I am sure many furries would get behind him and want to see that he be given a fair chance, to get what is due him in a court of law. It does not mean we can not hope, but it does mean that its going to be a long uphill battle on his front. As Much as people like to hope for this, We still have to remember this is all rumor mill, until evidence of this is proven in court.

 

[FYIAD]

Every furry has the right to live in a world where Dragoneer can't hurt them. He has caused so much damage to all of us, and this blow goes beyond anything anybody can forgive.

Well, you say that, but..
Well, I suppose forgive isn’t the right word. I just don’t have malice, I just don’t really care; maybe it was shady reasoning, maybe he had a bad idea that he genuinely believed in. For better or for worse he’s played an outsize role in the fandom over the last ten years. Like some king in distant lands whose people did not starve and were not routinely rounded up for execution, but who has been overtaken by a new movement; that is how I feel about Dragoneer. Could have been better, could have been worse; whatever deeds he did are history, his era is past.

My concern and attention are turned on the new powers that are holding the keys to the castle. They promise synergy and goodness, but I get a chill looking at them. They are not of our tribe; they are foreign, and foreign powers rarely overthrow a monarchy for the good of the subjects.

I do agree, though, that there shouldn't be any fear of unearned bans falling from the heavens; censorship is ugly, and all the more so when it is so petty as that.

I'm curious on something.

Has anyone told IMVu that Mr. Piche did not own clear title to FA?

1) I’m betting Brett Durrett doesn’t read unsolicited emails; whether or not the poor sap who is stuck dealing with the email account has been informed, I cannot say.
2) It won’t matter because:

• A) They would continue unphased as acknowledging the claim buys them nothing; they will fight it in court, but they won’t just stop and be all “Golly gee willkers!” about it.

• B) The burden of proof is on Arcturus and I don’t think he has it; and if he does have it, I think he has an uphill battle far steeper than believes in this claim expect. He’ll have to explain why he didn’t assert this contractual agreement when Dragoneer usurped the throne years ago. That doesn’t disprove the claim, but it brings enough doubt to really muddy the issue. (View the Q&A again and Fender has a response to this; it’s exactly this playbook.)

 

[GalaxyBlessed]

It's worth raising the token statement that many users of FA don't feel compelled to channel their chi into the shitstorm claiming to speak for everybody's interests, and that those users are artists and consumers alike.

What would you say to those people to try and rouse them if they don't particularly feel like anything has really happened?

you make a Very Valid point, Many people that are not speaking up, either are in that wait and see phase, or still thinking that People are going to come flocking back and this is all pre hype fear, as the community has shown many times in the past with exodus attempts. The problem is again as it has been stated, that most things in the past were based off hearsay and speculation. This on the other hand is hard evidence. He sold the site, a Corporation now holds the power, People are seeing this and actually thinking about leaving, this time because we have hard facts not a bunch of circumstantial evidence. I think some artists are sincere this time about wanting to get away from FA, because they do not want to answer to corporate group, that have no real interest in the community that we have built.

We as a community now, only have our voice to protest what is happening to our community. And I would encourage people to ask questions and get answers, the mindset of they will be back its all jumping the gun will not serve to help the community in the long run, I do not say that you should just bail out and flee while you can. Instead I say Diversify, spread out reach to multiple communities at the same time, build yourselves a strong foundation, so if this site does become a true sinking ship, you have other sites to keep you going. You do not have to simply abandon ship, but you should start preparing yourself for the Day that FA sinks under the waves of Corporate greed. I am not saying that IMVU will simply change and ruin this site. I am saying that they have to make a profit and they are not going to make that profit with ads, nor will they be able to place google ads on this sight, as the CEO has already claimed they were going to do.

Regardless they are not going to pump large sums of money into a site and not expect to gain it back somehow. It could mean more payment settings, it could mean AP type passes, it could mean a great deal of things, but when the ship sinks having a network that you can continue to survive off of, is just a really good business practice. So that being said Diversify, gain more exposure and branch out. If this ship sinks, you will be at least somewhat prepared to survive the crash.

 

[FYIAD]

It's worth raising the token statement that many users of FA don't feel compelled to channel their chi into the shitstorm claiming to speak for everybody's interests, and that those users are artists and consumers alike.

What would you say to those people to try and rouse them if they don't particularly feel like anything has really happened?

I speak for no one but myself.

I would not rile people into a frenzy claiming that fire and brimstone are sure to come a-streaming from the heavens any moment now; because no one believes the sky is falling or that the end is neigh. And they probably believe that isn't so because it isn't so.

Instead, I would say what I have been saying all this last week:
I encourage folks to branch out, but burn no bridges. Expand your horizons, lest we find one day that our territory is ours no more and you find yourself facing the prospect of starting from nothing with nary a moment’s warning beforehand.

I would urge people to be vigilant and ready, because it is far better to prepare for a likely problem than it is to scurry in a panic whenever things look to be going sideways. Beyond that, I’d ask that people do what they’ve always done: be good to another, and to continue being a community that helps each other out, even if we don’t agree on everything.

No one believes the crazy guy with wearing the sandwich board proclaiming that today is the end of days. I believe that something greatly significant did happen, something I don’t trust, but I acknowledge that they don’t feel that way at the moment. It’s going to be a good while longer until we know what it all means, and I’d understand it if they don’t feel like fleeing at the first sign of trouble; and I’d communicate that I hope to be here to help if I should be right, and that I’ll be hoping I’m wrong in the meantime. That’s all I can offer.

In short, I’m a mix of Boy Scouts and Hitchhiker’s Guide over here: Always Be Prepared and Don’t Panic.

 

[krystalfox77]

My thought is that it's still nice to have a spot you can point people to when they ask about about your art. I use my DA account mostly for non-furry art, and as a sport to point the "normal" people at.

Well, I would put normal art on there except for one thing, I can't draw worth s**t, much less normal art, so really, 3D is my only true means of making any art at all

 

[GalaxyBlessed]

there is nothing wrong with that, art is an expression of yourself and anything you make, no matter what you make it with, be it 3D modeling, Drawing, music, etc, is still a work of art and thus worthy of respect, so I say keep making awesome Art.

 

[krystalfox77]

there is nothing wrong with that, art is an expression of yourself and anything you make, no matter what you make it with, be it 3D modeling, Drawing, music, etc, is still a work of art and thus worthy of respect, so I say
keep making awesome Art.

Well, I submit art to DA, but, it almost seems like I'm missing something. Maybe it's due to the fact I'm not actively involved in commenting and favoriting others' artwork pieces, giving feedback, etc. It feels like, no matter what tags or descriptions I use, I don't get enough comments, likes, etc, you know?

 

[RTDragon]

Your not expected to get likes and things on DA since it's quite different considering the contests they hold for art have far different entries considering who wins them.

 

[krystalfox77]

Your not expected to get likes and things on DA since it's quite different considering the contests they hold for art have far different entries considering who wins them.

Damn....seriously? So, maybe it would be best if I just completely gave up posting anything on there ever again. Got it. Can't win, don't try. That's what I was afraid of, giving up is just easier for me to do since no one would ever like the art I post, so yeah, c'est la vie.

 

[GalaxyBlessed]

Yeah I know and it very well could be that your not as active over there. I mean I am sure DA has their own community as well and those who are more active in that community are probably getting more of the comments and likes and things. Still do not belittle your talent because you can not draw. 3D is a very amazing form of artistic talent, and I commend you for working and developing it. Do not be put off by the responses in DA, I am sure your works are incredible. I am going to have to look you up now and starting seeing what all you make.

 

[shteev]

IMVU isent the enemy >_> the fucking anti-dragoneer nazis and the retards moving to weasyl are the fucking enemy.

i know this post has been torn to pieces but i love this juxtaposition

retards

IMVU isent the enemy

how can you go ahead and attempt to insult someone's intelligence (using a brash term at that) but preface said insult with a hilarious grammatical mistake?

 

[RTDragon]

Damn....seriously? So, maybe it would be best if I just completely gave up posting anything on there ever again. Got it. Can't win, don't try. That's what I was afraid of, giving up is just easier for me to do since no one would ever like the art I post, so yeah, c'est la vie.

That's not what i said.

 

[rjbartrop]

Well, I would put normal art on there except for one thing, I can't draw worth s**t, much less normal art, so really, 3D is my only true means of making any art at all

3D still counts. I do some myself. It doesn't get nearly the response of the furry cheesecake, but I have gotten some game work, and some illustration jobs from it, so you shouldn't get too hung up on the numbers.

 

[Fawk]

Can anyone give suggestions of the best way to get people to help me find artists of work posted on IMVU?
Should I make a thread here on the forums? Where should I put such a thread?

I take screencaps of products in-client (since it gives a better image to go off of and can show products that don't have images for the icons) on IMVU and put the product ID number on the image (shown here: http://imgur.com/a/uzY2r). When someone tells me who the artist is, I contact them with the images and a link to a pastebin detailing how to file a DMCA (information provided by the ever-useful Fleshy!)

I can't know every artist, and need help.

 

[Volkodav]

Already found those a few pages back
ill make a big list soon sorry

 

[Fawk]

Already found those a few pages back
ill make a big list soon sorry

Yes, you did! And I sent those artists messages, I got a few replies back already, a couple were very grateful for having it brought to their attention with all the information.

But I am thinking a thread especially for finding the artists would be more effective than using this discussion thread xD I just don't know where I would put that thread.

 

[-Sliqq-]

Artist Discussion?

 

[RTDragon]

Artist Discussion?

That was really pointless, And would not really fit in the artist discussions since that's for artwork and critque.

@Volkodav So are you going to post this list up on google docs since it would be much easier to update and might want to password protect it.

 

[Volkodav]

Yeah i will do that soon. Possibly tomorrow as im not at my computer

 

[krystalfox77]

3D still counts. I do some myself. It doesn't get nearly the response of the furry cheesecake, but I have gotten some game work, and some illustration jobs from it, so you shouldn't get too hung up on the numbers.

Then what should I do? I honest to goodness cannot draw anything noteworthy for the life of me, it's bad enough I don't have a scanner to scan artwork with lol.

That's not what i said.

Then what do you suggest for someone who can't draw?