FA/IMVU Discussion

[Tchelline]

Threads? Fuck!

I don't remember ever actively insulting artists. I have no need to & I don't want to. In my opinion, those artists are great & I hope to draw like them some day.

Thicker Skin? This isn't yesterday RT.

Seriously shut up kid and let the adults have a serious discussion.

You already have stated SO MANY TIMES that you don't care about what happens to others, so yeah we get it, now take your inmaturity and get out

 

[GalaxyBlessed]

OK Sliqq you want proof of this PR nightmare I will show you the proof right out off IMVUs site

http://www.imvu.com/catalog/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpbb2&file=viewtopic.php&t=531598

FurAffinity.net communty becomes part of the IMVU family…

Online furry and anthropormophic art gallery meets 3d artistic furry avatars...if they have not met already!

We are proud to announce to YOU - especially our furry and furry-loving friends - that earlier this year we made FurAffinity.net community a part of our family.

This started with IMVU advertising its services to the FA community, which led to further discussions about the obvious overlap among our members. Both IMVU and FA community members love to socialize and connect anonymously with people from around the world with diverse backgrounds. Both communities express their artistic and creative skills in a variety of ways - via their anthromorphic and furry art, photographs, outfits, and scenes and more. So our partnership was the natural and reasonable conclusion to bring these similar and often already connected communities together officially.

For those of you who don’t know, FA is a community centered around sketching and animations, in which artists are afforded the opportunity to anonymously share their own individual creative talents. Sound vaguely familiar? Yes, it is indeed exactly what you - IMVU’s customers - do as well.

What does it mean for the IMVU community? The FA site will continue to operate indepently and work toward enhancing the fun and experience of their members with our full support. You will continue to enjoy your IMVU experience - whether you belong to our furry community or not as always. We know many of you participate in both communities, so this just means you are always part of the IMVU family!
_________________
Varsha - Director, Community Experience & User Safety



There HARD Evidence they did infact link this in General Audience

 

[GalaxyBlessed]

click back to page 38 in this thread and look at the post made by MoonRiverz a IMVU adult that came over to see what site they had bought.

To say the least she was a bit shocked since getting an adult account on FA is as easy as being able to count 18 years. It is not hard to get a full adult account on FA and that is why they may have to make changes to make things stricter. Their Age verification is a long convoluted process as is spelled out by Moonriverz on page 38 its not just a made up story this PR nightmare has already happened and its still posted in their forums.

 

[PheagleAdler]

Jesus Christ, people, can we stop with the attacking of people who have different opinions? Also, if you have a claim, back it up with proof. As far as I know this "insult" was just an opinion you disagreed with and was mistakenly assumed that it stemmed from not caring about artists.

 

[BRN]

I don't see a single thing wrong or offensive about Sliqq's position for the entirety of the last page and nearly everyone who responded to him should be ashamed of their etiquette and ludicrous aggrandising.

Pushing aside the cabal who disagree with you doesn't make your positions any stronger. You just look like twats for doing it.

 

[GalaxyBlessed]

I am not saying there is anything wrong with what he said, I am just showing him the evidence he wanted to see. he said he never saw a message linking in GA so I am showing it to him the Link is there going right to the forum post and the post is there so he can verify that its in fact a copy paste. then I pointed him back to page 38 of this thread where it shows him the post by MoonRiverz to again verify the evidence.not trying to be rude or disrespectful just giving him the evidence he was asking for.

 

[BRN]

I am not saying there is anything wrong with what he said, I am just showing him the evidence he wanted to see. he said he never saw a message linking in GA so I am showing it to him the Link is there going right to the forum post and the post is there so he can verify that its in fact a copy paste. then I pointed him back to page 38 of this thread where it shows him the post by MoonRiverz to again verify the evidence.not trying to be rude or disrespectful just giving him the evidence he was asking for.

Honestly I'm appreciating you more than most right now. RTDragon has never exactly presented himself well at any time ever in any thread on this forum at all, but the blatant Hydra-head screaming of strawman arguments in the last pages, posts that ignored the forest for the moss, pretending to make a point like it's a popularity contest in a school playground; posters like that aren't going to make IMVU and FA any better.

The folks who make decisions are gonna see the way those people act and avoid any affiliation with them. Meanwhile Sliqq's playing the long game and seeing it ain't that bad.

Kids don't get to see porn unless they say they're over 18 and want to see porn. .

Worst case scenario IMVU pulls the plug on FA and everyone gets the mass exodus that they're looking for, the dramatic doomsayers.

But nah, Sliqq's posts aren't worth credit or attention, are they? The guy doesn't agree with the raging cabal of grunts and goblins bravely cawing their distaste and bashing their sharpened flint rocks onto campfire sticks. Obviously the rational *mature* thing to do is... :?

It's not that I'm surprised, it's just the sheer audacity of claiming maturity while acting like that stuns me into posting my disbelief.

 

[GalaxyBlessed]

I think that people who are asking real questions and have legitimate concerns have the right to be upset and protest, but at the same time being rude and disrespectful to others is definitely not the answer here. Being upset and concerned and raising your voice in protest is about all one can do in this situation. but you can protest and speak out in a way that does not make you seem childish and and immature.

I Would like them to start answering a lot of questions, but at the same time I know that they are only going to give PR half hearted statements. So rather then get all pissed off and lowering my standards at how to talk to others, I simply urge people to start preparing. Diversify and spread themselves out so if this ship does sink they are not taking food out of their family's mouths because they never took the time to spread themselves out and start exposing themselves in other locations.

I mean lets face it, FA is not going to last forever, nothing really does, nor will IB or any other site. so to be ready for a site to collapse you should be building up a more solid foundation by networking out to multiple locations.

 

[-Sliqq-]

Ok, GalaxyBlessed this is what I've found.

"IMVU's content policies (Virtual Goods Rating Policy or VGP) only applies to products submitted to our Shop. Content shared on FurAffinity.net site is not regulated by that policy."

This came from Varsha herself. That's one less problem to worry about.

I do not know what they are going to do about the forums though. I think this might be affected, but only if IMVU & FA are too close for comfort. But maybe I should ask another question, if IMVU has been so close for so long why should anything change? Thank you for the links BTW.

 

[RTDragon]

Ok, GalaxyBlessed this is what I've found.
"IMVU's content policies (Virtual Goods Rating Policy or VGP) only applies to products submitted to our Shop. Content shared on FurAffinity.net site is not regulated by that policy."

This came from Varsha herself. That's one less problem to worry about.

I do not know what they are going to do about the forums though. I think this might be affected, but only if IMVU & FA are too close for comfort. But maybe I should ask another question, if IMVU has been so close for so long why should anything change? Thank you for the links BTW.

I see you did'nt read the rest of the pages of that thread. Man you are totally clueless. And that post was in a GA thread in IMVU which has strict rules.

 

[RTDragon]

Honestly I'm appreciating you more than most right now. RTDragon has never exactly presented himself well at any time ever in any thread on this forum at all, but the blatant Hydra-head screaming of strawman arguments in the last pages, posts that ignored the forest for the moss, pretending to make a point like it's a popularity contest in a school playground; posters like that aren't going to make IMVU and FA any better.

That's funny coming from someone who was the cause of permanently banning the general time wasters threads in the general discussion section so you are the one to talk BRN. I do present myself very well though i am blunt and don't need to surgarcoat things unlike you BRN. So do not bring up that argument you know better than that. And i would also suggest you can it with the passive aggressive arguments it shows your smugness even more SIX.

 

[shteev]

Jesus Christ, people, can we stop with the attacking of people who have different opinions? Also, if you have a claim, back it up with proof. As far as I know this "insult" was just an opinion you disagreed with and was mistakenly assumed that it stemmed from not caring about artists.

People aren't allowed to have opinions on the internet, duh!!

Seriously the biggest issue with debates and discussions on the internet is that we can all hide away into our accounts and personas, enabling us to be a lot more aggressive and careless when it comes to interacting with others. It suddenly becomes very easy to insult people and talk trash when there are little consequences.

 

[Tchelline]

Jesus Christ, people, can we stop with the attacking of people who have different opinions? Also, if you have a claim, back it up with proof. As far as I know this "insult" was just an opinion you disagreed with and was mistakenly assumed that it stemmed from not caring about artists.

Says the one who has most insultd people in this thread.

 

[-Sliqq-]

That's funny coming from someone who was the cause of permanently banning the general time wasters threads in the general discussion section so you are the one to talk BRN. I do present myself very well though i am blunt and don't need to surgarcoat things unlike you BRN. So do not bring up that argument you know better than that. And i would also suggest you can it with the passive aggressive arguments it shows your smugness even more SIX.

No RT. You're an asshole. Straight and simple.

You like to talk about people's past a lot, like you're just stocking up to attack someone. I don't see how anyone can trust you, let alone be a friend with. Your tone doesn't match your cause, & this is shown in every post that I've seen thus far.

Here's a paddle to the face.

Fuck off with your maturity bullshit & "You don't know anything" mentality.

Reality check: nobody knows everything & everybody gets pissed off. That includes you. You are the person I don't want to become.

I'm already prepared for you to hold that against me, as you'd only push my point further.
It may not be the most civil thing to say, but somebody had to.

 

[TheArchiver]

Can people cease discussing and arguing about this ad nauseum?

Since apparently RT, Sliqq, and BRN have forgotten how to read.

 

[-Sliqq-]

Since apparently RT, Sliqq, and BRN have forgotten how to read.

I've seen it, but i'm not going to ignore RT since he likes to speak with flames like a real dragon.

 

[NoahGryphon]

Hey anti-dragoneer communists, you know how you always say dragoneer would never give power to furries who wanna buy the site? >_> well dont you think he wouldent give power to IMVU either? in the contract he probably made sure that he has 95% of the power. which is good cause dragoneer is awsome.

 

[GalaxyBlessed]

Ok, GalaxyBlessed this is what I've found.

"IMVU's content policies (Virtual Goods Rating Policy or VGP) only applies to products submitted to our Shop. Content shared on FurAffinity.net site is not regulated by that policy."

This came from Varsha herself. That's one less problem to worry about.

I do not know what they are going to do about the forums though. I think this might be affected, but only if IMVU & FA are too close for comfort. But maybe I should ask another question, if IMVU has been so close for so long why should anything change? Thank you for the links BTW.

the problem is, if they were that close in the past, which we can surmise they were not since a lot of adults that never heard of the site till the acquisition, the people would not have been taken by surprise. The fact of the matter is they were blindsided by the whole thing and if you look at MoonRiverz post there on page 38 of this thread she was pissed. Not at The members of FA not thinking that we were all sick and gross, she was mad because the children could easily make an account and have access to some of the worst forms of porn and some of the darker fetishes. Lets Face it here on FA most anything goes art wise save a few restricted things.

the PR nightmare that was created could start to cost them money, if adults find out they bought a porn site and suddenly IMVU starts getting huge number of complaints. Besides that Because of our lax policy on verification IMVU may try to implement stricter age verification. Since they now have a direct link to FA on their site now. Not only that but what happens When Companies like Walmart and google discover the buy out. Your looking at them loosing a a lot of money if Walmart and other companies that sell their cards pull them off their shelves since they bought a porn site and do not think Walmart won't Nor google for that matter. Google Ads is Very clear they will not allow google ads to be placed on a site that displays pornogrphy. They can ban you and remove all your ads across all sites you own if you do so. FA has already tried google ads in the past, then got banned because of the sites content.

so this PR stunt made little to no sense, and you can argue that we have a age verification here, but when Age verification only takes the ability to count to 18, its easy for a kid to gain access. So posting this in their GA forum where kids have access to it, we are setting up a serious precedence, that will eventually result in Tough Age restrictions on FA. Now I am not totally against Age Verification, in fact I agree that ours does not really verify anything we are more on the honor system. Kids can gain access and when found to be kids we take punitive action, but I would not want a kid looking at 80% of what is on Fa.

anyway they state they will not regulate FA but the very fact that they own it now and are going to be held responsible for it, being their name shows on the bottom of the page, means nothing they can say all they want, but in business when companies buy others out they make all kinds of claims and more often then not go back on those claims because they can. In the end they have to make a profit off this purchase, they see dollar signs. When the ads fail to bring in the money they want because AdBlocker for the win, they will turn to other methods to earn that money.

I do not think anyone here believe this buy out was a charitable thing. They have to gain back all they invest plus more of this was a big mistake. Tossing a bunch of money into a site and trying to make it better, is not something a company is going to do, they have to have a plan to profit off it. They will make changes if they start to lose money in the long run, and parents will start to pull their kids off IMVU when word gets out they bought a porn site that has no safeguard other then the honor system.

This is the issue that is concerning, IMVU requires selfies, 20 dollars, and copies of photo ids and ss cards the works. Many people are not going to be willing to give that information. so yeah this stunt will cause backlash, its a matter of when.

 

[RTDragon]

No RT. You're an asshole. Straight and simple.

You like to talk about people's past a lot, like you're just stocking up to attack someone. I don't see how anyone can trust you, let alone be a friend with. Your tone doesn't match your cause, & this is shown in every post that I've seen thus far.

Here's a paddle to the face.

Fuck off with your maturity bullshit & "You don't know anything" mentality.

Reality check: nobody knows everything & everybody gets pissed off. That includes you. You are the person I don't want to become.

I'm already prepared for you to hold that against me, as you'd only push my point further.
It may not be the most civil thing to say, but somebody had to.

Then why do you keep posting that you don't care if i recall from you profile you seem to be creating a game i would bet you would be mad if someone stole your concept consider how others artist feel when art get's stolen for profit that's what i am calling you out about since you don't seem to respect other artist showing your i don't care attitude. So do me a favor and consider that or shut the hell up Sliqq.

 

[-Sliqq-]

I'm not going to say anything other than "acknowledged" for now.

-Massive Edit (so I don't double post)-

Then why do you keep posting that you don't care if i recall from you profile you seem to be creating a game i would bet you would be mad if someone stole your concept consider how others artist feel when art get's stolen for profit that's what i am calling you out about since you don't seem to respect other artist showing your i don't care attitude. So do me a favor and consider that or shut the hell up Sliqq.

For me, if someone stole anything of mine, I'd be flattered that people liked it, but not so much people selling it for their own cash but I wouldn't get mad over stuff like that. I just deal with it & move on. There's no point in wasting time complaining.

I respect all artists so you better quote where the hell I disrespected them. Otherwise, dig your own grave with your own words.

You know for someone who is completely dense for a 16 year old who is so obsessed to being a popufur. you certainly have some very poor unrealistic expectations. I can see why your getting so much flack because of what your posting i see your the type that does'nt think before they post."

https://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/1349612-Losing-it
https://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/1349581-Thanks-a-lot

Remember these? Sure ya do!

Besides, you did the same to BRN, TransformerRobot, & Volk.

Now I'll be silent for Archiver. I don't want to make any bad relationships here, but you're beginning to ramble about yesterday (and now I'm making sure that it bites you in the ass). I don't care about yesterday. I care about today, RT.

 

[Blitza]

Now i did read all that stuff on the IMVU Forum were there OWN Members dosnt trust this Deal and IMVU....

Wonder what will happen with the Time ...

 

[RTDragon]

I'm not going to say anything other than "acknowledged" for now.

-Massive Edit (so I don't double post)-



For me, if someone stole anything of mine, I'd be flattered that people liked it, but not so much people selling it for their own cash but I wouldn't get mad over stuff like that. I just deal with it & move on. There's no point in wasting time complaining.

I respect all artists so you better quote where the hell I disrespected them. Otherwise, dig your own grave with your own words.



https://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/1349612-Losing-it
https://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/1349581-Thanks-a-lot

Remember these? Sure ya do!

Besides, you did the same to BRN, TransformerRobot, & Volk.

Now I'll be silent for Archiver. I don't want to make any bad relationships here, but you're beginning to ramble about yesterday (and now I'm making sure that it bites you in the ass). I don't care about yesterday. I care about today, RT.

Someone sure is frustrated that my words hurt them. And besides you failed to take Chuchi own advice so don't snap at people who give you advice even if it does'nt sound nice. And that may sound nice for you to be flattered but most artist work so hard for years to improve to produce artwork. Oh i remember those threads you seen to not know how these forums work. So keep on getting frustrated Sliqq your doing a good job for yourself.

EDIT: If you want to continue arguing please do so in a PM i'll be happy to explain why civilly You will be very surprised as to why.

 

[GalaxyBlessed]

I do not think they do not trust us I think they tried to welcome us but some of the furs that went over there were rather rude to people that ha nothing to do with this buy out. We are upset that much is plainly clear but they feel bad for the furs as well, they got a bit more upset as time went on when the furs that went to their forums were getting a bit rude and acting disrespectful. I mean sure we are upset, but there is no need to take it out on all of them there is a select few users that are stealing art for profit, not all of them do. I think that if there is hate for us now, its more on the lines they do not like being treated bad. It would be no different if they came over here and started flinging nothing but insults at us for being furs.

From what I read they are trying to welcome us into their community, even though a great number of us probably are not really wanting to join IMVU. IMVU The Company are the ones that bought us not the Users, Sure they have some art thieves in their ranks, but they are not happy about that either, in fact in the forum I posted they felt bad and were understanding of the rage that furries were feeling. They really do not hate us, they do not like being insulted though and we have made a bad impression right of the bat. there may be some there that hate furs, but its no different than in any community, There are always bad apples in every bundle.

I am not saying that IMVU is a group or community I want to belong to, But I am saying that we should not Take out our ire on their Community, but on the company that is giving us half hearted responses that equate to pr statements. If your going to go over there and talk to them please keep in mind if they came here and spoke in the manner your talking would you be offended as well. I have read through the forum on Fur Affinity and they are trying hard to be accepting and even feel bad that we had our home ripped out from under us. they understand the anger but at the same time they are acting mature and civil but the furs over there that are blowing up and tossing insults and anger around, are not making us as a community look very good at all.

 

[RTDragon]

Well it does'nt help matters that IMVU annonced this on their twitter which is where i saw the blowup come from as well. The flayrah article does sum it up. https://www.flayrah.com/6017/imvu-buys-fur-affinity-furry-fans-respond

 

[GalaxyBlessed]

I think the article does a pretty good sum up of the situation, and Right now all I can say is if people feel like tis time to flee, then go if not then stay. No matter what choice of action you take prepare yourselves and get ready for the crash. if it never happens no harm, but if it does you do not get slammed with instant loss of income. branch out let folks know where to find you and watch carefully. building a network will be your saving grace in the end.