FA/IMVU Discussion

[FoxWolfie]

I understand that FA has some SFW but lets face it FA is a porn site It is labeled as such by paypal, and they even ban your account and the artists if you so much as mention Fur Affinity.

That is simply not true. I've bought many commissions from artists on FA, and the payment message I use when paying through PayPal is, "Here is payment from FoxWolfie, for the art we discussed on Fur Affinity." I also talked on the phone with PayPal about a failed transaction between me and an artist, and they had zero issues with Fur Affinity. I wasn't buying porn though. PayPal would be utterly stupid to block anything with FA's name on it, since most of it is not porn. I've been on FA for over eight years, and never bought porn, let alone sexual themed art. I know that PayPal has issues with porn transactions, and I know people who have had their accounts frozen because they left comments on their PayPal like, "I can't wait to see my character taking some huge cock!" Gee, maybe they had their account frozen for being stupid enough call attention to their porn - not because they use FA.

You are also just plain wrong in saying that most artists use this as a porn site. The actual submission statistics completely disagree with that statement. The most recent submission stats I found from 2014-04-24, show:

General - 53.78% (7,149,922)
Mature - 7.56% (1,005,166)
Adult - 8.90% (1,182,577)
Deleted - 29.76% (3,955,935)
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Total - 100% (13,293,600)

The majority of the submitted art here is General by far. It is more than three times the amount of the Mature and Adult submissions combined. Even if every single deleted submission was adult, which it surely wasn't, the General art would still be in the majority here. The deleted stuff was probably of all types, due to artists drama-purging entire galleries and stuff like that. So where's this 80 percent porn content you speak of? Yak posts the stats about once every year or so.

I will admit that an Adult submission probably gets up to double the views that a similar quality General submission gets. I've somewhat confirmed that by looking at the view and fave counts on submissions where an artist makes multiple versions of the same art - both Adult and General. Their Adult versions usually get 50 to 100 percent more faves and views than their General counterparts. Even assuming double the views, General still outnumbers views of Adult and Mature combined. This is clearly not a porn site. I don't appreciate being grouped under your porn umbrella. Most of my best friends here are not here to see porn either. Some are, and that doesn't bother me at all, but even they don't call FA a porn site. It's an art site, and porn just happens to be one of the many things that is allowed - and it's very far from being in the majority. It's no different than an art museum, where you will sometimes see porn exhibits, and those porn exhibits usually bring in lots of people, but they still aren't considered porn museums. People still think of them as art museums. That's basically what FA is. Some of us come to see the porn exhibits, and others come for all the other stuff.

 

[RCRuskin]

Hey anti-dragoneer communists, you know how you always say dragoneer would never give power to furries who wanna buy the site? >_> well dont you think he wouldent give power to IMVU either? in the contract he probably made sure that he has 95% of the power. which is good cause dragoneer is awsome.

"probably"? Well, it is an already established fact that he would not sell the site to any furries. It is equally an established fact that he did not have clear title to the site, so this sale is null and void.

 

[Mizuhiro Neko]

Then why do you keep posting that you don't care if i recall from you profile you seem to be creating a game i would bet you would be mad if someone stole your concept consider how others artist feel when art get's stolen for profit that's what i am calling you out about since you don't seem to respect other artist showing your i don't care attitude. So do me a favor and consider that or shut the hell up Sliqq.

Look, you two should not be attacking each other. I know Sliqq is wrong for calling you an asshole and all, but as I've been reading this thread, you and a couple others started this by replying to a post in which he specifically said he DOES care treating it like you didn't read it at all and saying he doesn't care. And you're still saying he said he doesn't care when he specifically said he does. That doesn't help anyone.

 

[Mizuhiro Neko]

I understand that FA has some SFW but lets face it FA is a porn site It is labeled as such by paypal, and they even ban your account and the artists if you so much as mention Fur Affinity. Yes this site hosts some clean artwork and artists that post clean artwork, But the Majority of this site is pornographic. I know there are SFW here but they are the vast minority. FA is a Pornographic site and is labeled as such by google and by Paypal. children really have no business here because FA has the most laxed Verification based solely on the honor system. Any child can count to 18 and lie about their age to gain access and in fact that sort of thing happens all the time.

I would not in all honesty want a child to view 80% of the content on this site. that being said, This site does for most intents and purposes sell and post erotic art. The statement is not entirely true but in all honesty is closer to the truth then not. FA is for all intents and purposes a Site of pornogrphic art, and has some of the darkest fetishes known, save for a few banned types of fetishes. Children really do not need to be exposed to what all is seen here. I know IMVU has some adults as well as kids, but the main demographic there is teens. Yes there are some great content creators and adults as well.

I have been over to the IMVU forums and watched their thread on the FA purchase, even IMVU members are shocked by this and rather upset that they posted in GA area a link to what they would consider a pornographic site. I am not one that Thinks IMVU is full of thieves, there are some thieves there, but not everyone is a thief. Every community has its bad apples, but I have to agree that FA is not a site designed for kids, nor would I want to find a child here. Sure they slip in sometimes and if they are wise never say a word about it. but the truth is IMVU's age verification is Super strict, and we do not really want to see them try to enforce us to go through that kind of hoops here paywalls and locks which they are famous for, would kill this site.

FA is Mainly For Erotic Pornographic art there are some that are not but the MAIN Demographic of FA is Pornogrphic.

That has been proven false by PayPal. They have publicly stated that they do not consider us a porn site and do not ban people for mentioning FA.

 

[Mizuhiro Neko]

...you do know a majority of the art is rated "General", don't you?

There are many people on here for stuff other than porn. I'm not gonna argue about how the site came about, sure it was from the downfall of Sheezyart, but at the same time FA is not strictly a porn site, and I think it was mentioned earlier that PayPal does NOT label FA as a porn site, nor do they actually ban people for mentioning it.

Ah, here's the quote:

Well quoted. And it looks like I missed an autocorrect error when I posted it.

"probably"? Well, it is an already established fact that he would not sell the site to any furries. It is equally an established fact that he did not have clear title to the site, so this sale is null and void.

Has this even been proven yet?

 

[Volkodav]

I'll be a bit busy today but I think I'll start on the doc today
Layout will be:
- Link to image screencap
- Artist name
- IMVU ID #
- Original source ID #

I know it's not the best proof of theft according to IMVU but it's something :/ At least if there's the ID, they can search it up themselves if it's reported?

 

[RTDragon]

That has been proven false by PayPal. They have publicly stated that they do not consider us a porn site and do not ban people for mentioning FA.

Even so let's face it the majority of what get's attention on FA is often porn and fetish work. Which from the eyes of most FA is a porn site. FA would not be able to use ads from Google because of it. And i know this considering i've been paying close attention over the years on what get's popular on FA. Even if general is the majority there are not that many art sites that cater to G rated artwork. And if i recall FA lost their paypal access due to cub porn which was on FA before the ban on it.

 

[Willow]

People in this thread act like underage people are some new concept or like FA doesn't have a nifty filter that blocks porn....

 

[-Sliqq-]

Look, you two should not be attacking each other. I know Sliqq is wrong for calling you an asshole and all, but as I've been reading this thread, you and a couple others started this by replying to a post in which he specifically said he DOES care treating it like you didn't read it at all and saying he doesn't care. And you're still saying he said he doesn't care when he specifically said he does. That doesn't help anyone.

It's over now. No more discussion of it except between me and him. I'll probably PM him by tonight. There's no need to end on a sour note.

I will here apologize about me calling him an asshole though, I just sorta *snapped* there & directed all my hate & anger towards him. My bad.

It's time to move forward, just like a Toyota

 

[Accountability]

The problem, actually lies in IMVU's previous actions. It's target audience is younger teens, and they host a more adult section for adults.

When parents found out about this, there was an uproar. IMVU was then forced to create a very strict verification system which includes:

Picture ID.
Social Security #
Cash payment ($20)

Compare that to FA's verification policy? An honor system that merely asks a person not to lie about their birthday?... And we have far more explicit adult content then IMVU will ever allow.
When parents find out about FA, well, they say history repeats itself.

Basically this. I will not be surprised the day they announce that everyone is age locked until they send in some documentation proving otherwise and a little sumpin' sumpin' for the trouble.

And it might not be parents who cause it, just concerned investors worried about a potential lawsuit.

Hey anti-dragoneer communists, you know how you always say dragoneer would never give power to furries who wanna buy the site? >_> well dont you think he wouldent give power to IMVU either? in the contract he probably made sure that he has 95% of the power. which is good cause dragoneer is awsome.

And pigs might fly out of my ass. IMVU owns the site. That's a fact. When you own something, you can do with it what you please. They have 100% of the power and are allowing Dragoneer to run it. They can take it back whenever they feel like it, and don't think for a minute he's in some sort of iron-clad contract where they can't get rid of him.

 

[Tchelline]

...you do know a majority of the art is rated "General", don't you?

False. Official statistics made in 2013 point out that 70% of the total submissions in FA were either mature or adult.

 

[Mizuhiro Neko]

False. Official statistics made in 2013 point out that 70% of the total submissions in FA were either mature or adult.

I'd like to see your "Official statistics", as the statistics linked earlier counter your argument quite effectively.

 

[RCRuskin]

IMVU owns the site. That's a fact. When you own something, you can do with it what you please. They have 100% of the power and are allowing Dragoneer to run it. They can take it back whenever they feel like it, and don't think for a minute he's in some sort of iron-clad contract where they can't get rid of him.

In actual, legal fact, IMVu does not yet own the site.

Dragoneer did not obtain clear title to the site when he bought it; did not seek to obtain it, and then 'sold' an unclear title.

Until this goes through the courts, there is no merger.

 

[PheagleAdler]

Search any character, species or show, and I assure you, the images that will have the highest view and favorite count will always be the porn of it.

Big deal, that doesn't change the fact that "General" is the most-submitted category. You don't go to a grocery store and claim that they're a "milk store" if milk sells 300% more than anything else in the store.

For the sake of the discussion it may be advisable to put a moratorium on replying to Pheagle and Noah. The former's tactic had been early on to suppress dissent by spreading FUD a lá "guyz GUUUYYYYZZZ if you say too many mean words (aka rock the boat too much) they will lock the thread!", but since that failed they shifted to actively flaming in order to provide an excuse for locking the thread to the loyalist mods.

Don't let their scheme succeed.

Um, no. I'm not trying to "supress dissent" nor did I really make a huge deal out of saying "too many mean words." Though I really should have done more of the latter because there's no reason to act like that. You can express your opinion without being bitchy about it.

 

[Butters Shikkon]

Big deal, that doesn't change the fact that "General" is the most-submitted category. You don't go to a grocery store and claim that they're a "milk store" if milk sells 300% more than anything else in the store.

They sold mints at the coffee shop I used to work at but that didn't not make it a coffee shop. XD

Also, everyone and their mom knows FA's most looked at stuff is porn. The most popular artists draw porn. The most successful artists draw porn. Most Fav galleries include porn.

FA's main draw is porn~

 

[PheagleAdler]

They sold mints at the coffee shop I used to work at but that didn't not make it a coffee shop. XD

Also, everyone and their mom knows FA's most looked at stuff is porn. The most popular artists draw porn. The most successful artists draw porn. Most Fav galleries include porn.

FA's main draw is porn~

Yes, exactly. Just because it's the "main draw" (or that's how it appears to you AFAIK) doesn't make FA a porn site.

 

[Butters Shikkon]

Yes, exactly. Just because it's the "main draw" (or that's how it appears to you AFAIK) doesn't make FA a porn site.

Just like E621! :3

 

[RTDragon]

Yes, exactly. Just because it's the "main draw" (or that's how it appears to you AFAIK) doesn't make FA a porn site.

Actually considering that the majority of what is sold is porn and of fetish content as well as YCH of said content and often general art is ignored plus the fact that the majority of artist who draw general art can't get commissions unless they either do porn or fetish art. And the fact that people have gotten their paypal account shut down for even mentioning the site or porn says quite a lot about what the majority of furries pay attention to. And the fact not just FA but Sofurry and Inkbunny.

 

[PheagleAdler]

Actually considering that the majority of what is sold is porn and of fetish content as well as YCH of said content and often general art is ignored plus the fact that the majority of artist who draw general art can't get commissions unless they either do porn or fetish art. And the fact that people have gotten their paypal account shut down for even mentioning the site or porn says quite a lot about what the majority of furries pay attention to. And the fact not just FA but Sofurry and Inkbunny.

Porn, they mentioned porn. Mentioning the site alone doesn't get your account suspended, and that has been mentioned SEVERAL times in this thread.

 

[Volkodav]

Whether or not FA qualifies as a "porn site" doesn't matter. If some kid's mom checks out FA to see what it's about and she gets walls upon walls of porn thumbnails, she's probably going to complain.

 

[Butters Shikkon]

Also, last time I was on DA they didn't allow explicit sexual content/fetish stuff. Just tasteful nudes and stuff. On FA, you'll see dogs shitting on cats while they orgasm.

That's pretty hardcore for a general art site.

 

[RTDragon]

And let's not forget that there is scat, watersports, beastiality, explict violence/sex, and all the trimmings. If you name it you can find it on FA.

 

[Butters Shikkon]

Weasyl has a lot of cool art that isn't nasty like this :3

 

[PheagleAdler]

And let's not forget that there is scat, watersports, beastiality, explict violence/sex, and all the trimmings. If you name it you can find it on FA.

Would that make it the Wal-mart of furry art websites?

 

[RTDragon]

Would that make it the Wal-mart of furry art websites?

Yes since a lot of the extreme hardcore fetishes can be often found applied to furries. You will never find the hardcore stuff on DA without getting reported quickly.