FA/IMVU Discussion

[-Sliqq-]

Actually considering that the majority of what is sold is porn and of fetish content as well as YCH of said content and often general art is ignored plus the fact that the majority of artist who draw general art can't get commissions unless they either do porn or fetish art. And the fact that people have gotten their paypal account shut down for even mentioning the site or porn says quite a lot about what the majority of furries pay attention to. And the fact not just FA but Sofurry and Inkbunny.

We can't just call it an art site that happens to have a lot of porn? I mean, FA isn't dedicated to porn. There may be a notable amount of fetish art & a lot of furs focus their mice on porn (or porn-like) content, but that shouldn't make it considered a porn site. Besides, I can't get premium service until I'm 18 lol.

 

[RTDragon]

We can't just call it an art site that happens to have a lot of porn? I mean, FA isn't dedicated to porn. There may be a notable amount of fetish art & a lot of furs focus their mice on porn (or porn-like) content, but that shouldn't make it considered a porn site. Besides, I can't get premium service until I'm 18 lol.

Sadly what Verin Asper said this site was created after the ban on adult content in sheezy and. Even though the site also has a SFW button there's the issues with the NSFW icons that are popping up still despite the rules. So those can't be blocked out unlike the adult content.

this site was born due to another site banned porn...
theres no real way past that no matter what
the only reason the SFW setting came about (after several years without it) is due to folks wanting to visit this site while out in public but no real way to do so...thats ALSO why FA started to get a bit more on icons too as in the past they didnt care...

If they think they are going to be mad at the adult content just wait till the profile and NSFW avatars to show up.

 

[Fawk]

IMVU allows people to be naked and wear BDSM outfits. So it's an adult site by the idea of "if it exists, that's what it's for"

 

[Gryphoneer]

Yes, exactly. Just because it's the "main draw" (or that's how it appears to you AFAIK) doesn't make FA a porn site.

And guys, just because someone is a notorious black hat hacker doesn't mean rabble rabble fart. Don't you ever learn, Pheagle?

Anyhoo, there's single images and comic strips of explicit sexual content on FA. That alone makes it a porn site per the major advertising agencies' standards. Point two, FA is used as a platform for the commercialization of explicit sexual content, both direct sales and commissioning. That makes it a porn site by any Chamber of Commerce's standards.

 

[Accountability]

In actual, legal fact, IMVu does not yet own the site.

Dragoneer did not obtain clear title to the site when he bought it; did not seek to obtain it, and then 'sold' an unclear title.

Until this goes through the courts, there is no merger.

No. FA is owned by IMVU until someone can provide some sort of actual tangible evidence that they do not. Tweets are not proof. Sorry.

 

[Smelge]

For the people saying there are more General submissions than Mature and Adult, this is true.

But I'm pretty certain the views and favourites of the mature and adult categories will massively outnumber those on General. i actualy did an experiment on this years ago, when thumbnails worked. Two thumbnails posted at the same time, one said SFW and the other NSFW. The NSFW one got 3 times the views.

It's the same principal as going somewhere like Pornhub and uploading millions of pictures of cats sleeping on radiators. Even if the safe content outweighs the porn, it'll still be the porn that gets the most attention.

 

[RCRuskin]

No. FA is owned by IMVU until someone can provide some sort of actual tangible evidence that they do not. Tweets are not proof. Sorry.

No. Dragoneer did not provide clear title when he 'sold' that which he did not own. IMVu's accountants and lawyers had best prepare to unmerge the non-existent merger.

 

[Mizuhiro Neko]

In actual, legal fact, IMVu does not yet own the site.

Dragoneer did not obtain clear title to the site when he bought it; did not seek to obtain it, and then 'sold' an unclear title.

Until this goes through the courts, there is no merger.

Can you cite your source on this claim? I'm curious about this and how you knew this.

 

[Mizuhiro Neko]

Actually considering that the majority of what is sold is porn and of fetish content as well as YCH of said content and often general art is ignored plus the fact that the majority of artist who draw general art can't get commissions unless they either do porn or fetish art. And the fact that people have gotten their paypal account shut down for even mentioning the site or porn says quite a lot about what the majority of furries pay attention to. And the fact not just FA but Sofurry and Inkbunny.

Again, no one has gotten banned from PayPal for mentioning FA. Mentioning porn, yes, mentioning FA, no.

 

[Mizuhiro Neko]

And let's not forget that there is scat, watersports, beastiality, explict violence/sex, and all the trimmings. If you name it you can find it on FA.

I can name a few things you can't find on FA. Stuff that is not allowed.

 

[PheagleAdler]

I can name a few things you can't find on FA. Stuff that is not allowed.

*slow clap*

And guys,

just because someone is a notorious black hat hacker doesn't mean rabble rabble fart. Don't you ever learn, Pheagle?

Anyhoo, there's single images and comic strips of explicit sexual content on FA. That alone makes it a porn site per the major advertising agencies' standards. Point two, FA is used as a platform for the commercialization of explicit sexual content, both direct sales and commissioning. That makes it a porn site by any Chamber of Commerce's standards.

I've learned that you're very narrow-minded, that's what I've learned.

FA hosts porn, I'm well aware of that. Users on FA sell porn. If there wasn't such a majority of of General submissions on the site, I might agree with you, but that isn't the case. Let's try another analogy, perhaps it'll sink in.

For example, let's say there's a local video store you frequent to rent movies. They have your normal movies rated G, PG, PG-13, etc. but then they have a sectioned off area where they rent out adult movies, pornos, etc. That doesn't mean this particular video store is an adult video store, it just caters to a wider audience.

 

[Smelge]

For example, let's say there's a local video store you frequent to rent movies. They have your normal movies rated G, PG, PG-13, etc. but then they have a sectioned off area where they rent out adult movies, pornos, etc. That doesn't mean this particular video store is an adult video store, it just caters to a wider audience.

Except everyone goes straight into the backroom without paying attention to the other videos. It ndoesn't matter what the place is stocked with if the majority go there for the one thing.

 

[BRN]

Except everyone goes straight into the backroom without paying attention to the other videos. It ndoesn't matter what the place is stocked with if the majority go there for the one thing.

Or if everyone buys a Big Mac and ignores the other burgers,

or if everyone orders pepperoni and ignores the other toppings

or if everyone chooses 'red' and eschews the other colours

 

[PheagleAdler]

Except everyone goes straight into the backroom without paying attention to the other videos. It ndoesn't matter what the place is stocked with if the majority go there for the one thing.

Doesn't matter what the people are there for, it matters what services the business offers. I'll give you some credit, it may be know for certain things, but you cannot ignore the rest, and as a whole you can't say that movie rental place is an adult movie store, just as much as you can't simply say FA is a porn site.

or if everyone chooses 'red' and eschews the other colours

I'm guilty of this. Go red!

 

[rjbartrop]

Something that seems to have gotten overlooked in all the discussion is the fact that IMVU thought FA was worth buying in the first place. Is this the start of a trend like what happened with science fiction fandom 50-60 years ago, where furry fandom is seen as a market worth courting?

 

[Verin Asper]

Except everyone goes straight into the backroom without paying attention to the other videos. It ndoesn't matter what the place is stocked with if the majority go there for the one thing.

that doesnt really work
if the place is known for having rather kinky porns in the back but also a wide range of general stuff....while people may be coming in to see the porn they still browse the general stuff.

Again its mostly on "Sex sells" just for FA's case...Furry is considered a fetish and people have yet to learn "Not all Fetishes are sexual"(like those furries who are into sneezing...I havent seen their ads in some time though...I hope they are alright)

 

[RTDragon]

Either that or FA really hasn't done much with the artist ads considering there's a lot of complaining because of it.

 

[Tchelline]

And guys, just because someone is a notorious black hat hacker doesn't mean rabble rabble fart. Don't you ever learn, Pheagle?

Anyhoo, there's single images and comic strips of explicit sexual content on FA. That alone makes it a porn site per the major advertising agencies' standards. Point two, FA is used as a platform for the commercialization of explicit sexual content, both direct sales and commissioning. That makes it a porn site by any Chamber of Commerce's standards.

This, so much this.

Also, vore counts as porn?

 

[RTDragon]

This, so much this.

Also, vore counts as porn?

Vore actually counts as a fetish how ever there are a few types of vore that count as sexual content cock and unbirthing.

 

[Roshiyu]

This, so much this.

Also, vore counts as porn?

If there's aroused genitalia involved, then I'd say yes... Not my thing, but people seem to like it.

 

[PheagleAdler]

This, so much this.

Also, vore counts as porn?

Look, you can't consider one part of a site as the whole site, no matter how popular it is.

 

[krystalfox77]

It's bad enough IMVU owns it without mods wrongfully removing the content of users without warning or their consent just because of some nonexistent or arbitrary rule. I just caught wind of a member, who had been on the site for seven years, had her gallery remove because it used "copyrighted pictures" or "plagiarism". Either way, the mods were in the wrong and really need to get their butts in gear to actually run this place better, and maybe actually warn people if their gallery violates anything. Just a suggestion, you know, instead of the mods acting like hit and run drivers.

 

[-Sliqq-]

Ok I signed up for IMVU( I wanted to see if it was a better alternative to SL)
Knowing that my computer has the processing power of a brick & a potato combined, it's very quick & very accessible (unlike SL whereas any user created content can completely fuck you over). It seems very possible that they'll be able to make FA run faster, but it really depends on the actions they decide to take with the mainsite.

 

[Calemeyr]

I learned that supposedly IMVU doesn't even let you walk around like SL does? Is this true? It really is a glorified yahoo answers chatroom then.

 

[FenrirDarkWolf]

There's like, places you can click on and your model will appear there. Like, it will teleport there. It's not like the Sims where it makes you WALK places :V