FA/IMVU Discussion

[Gryphoneer]

No. Dragoneer did not provide clear title when he 'sold' that which he did not own. IMVu's accountants and lawyers had best prepare to unmerge the non-existent merger.

IMVU, for all its shortcomings, is a legit business. They have to answer to their owners (what was it again, BestBuy's board of directors?). There wouldn't have been a merger if Piche had been unable to procure final and absolute documentation, IMVU's legal department reviews that kind of stuff as per SOP. Ferrox LLC claimed ownership over FA's assets, codebase and all, for years undisputed by Arcturus, a fact that doesn't exactly lend credence to his assertion. Be it as it may, the burden of proof rests on his shoulders, not IMVU's, so he would need to hire a lawyer to contest Piche's papers. Which he probably would've already done if he had a watertight case...

I've learned that you're very narrow-minded, that's what I've learned.

Let's try another analogy, perhaps it'll sink in.

Business law doesn't deal in analogies, only in prevailing legal norms. Of which there exist different ones for both video stores and websites.

 

[Mizuhiro Neko]

Doesn't matter what the people are there for, it matters what services the business offers. I'll give you some credit, it may be know for certain things, but you cannot ignore the rest, and as a whole you can't say that movie rental place is an adult movie store, just as much as you can't simply say FA is a porn site.



I'm guilty of this. Go red!

Green all the way!

 

[Mizuhiro Neko]

This, so much this.

Also, vore counts as porn?

I don't think of vore as porn unless there is porn mixed in with it as there sometimes is. I'd mark it as general unless there was a good reason to mark it as mature or adult.

 

[Mizuhiro Neko]

It's bad enough IMVU owns it without mods wrongfully removing the content of users without warning or their consent just because of some nonexistent or arbitrary rule. I just caught wind of a member, who had been on the site for seven years, had her gallery remove because it used "copyrighted pictures" or "plagiarism". Either way, the mods were in the wrong and really need to get their butts in gear to actually run this place better, and maybe actually warn people if their gallery violates anything. Just a suggestion, you know, instead of the mods acting like hit and run drivers.

... Copyright infringement and plagiarism are bad no matter how long you've been a member... Why were the nods wrong for doing their job?

 

[PheagleAdler]

Business law doesn't deal in analogies, only in prevailing legal norms. Of which there exist different ones for both video stores and websites.

Do you have proof that business law declares this a porn site? Is that a legal norm to call a site with over half of its submissions not porn to be called a porn site?

 

[krystalfox77]

... Copyright infringement and plagiarism are bad no matter how long you've been a member... Why were the nods wrong for doing their job?

That's just the thing though, no one really knows for sure how it actually happened, that's just a rumor spreading around, the backgrounds actually were never stolen, that's just a lame-ass excuse that was used. The mods didn't do the right thing and enver even warned her, they just removed the content without pulling her aside or without giving her time to remove the "offending/stolen" backgrounds in her pictures herself. That sounds like pretty shitty management to me, none of her pics even violated the AUP, yet, they used it as a reason, supposedly. That's why I used quotes, no one even knows what the real reason for the removal, but nothing more than an abuse of authority, and I asked Dragoneer on here the other day about it, why his mods are so power hungry, and not a response was given. Shocker.

Hate to say it, but mods aren't infallible.

 

[Naesaki]

and I asked Dragoneer on here the other day about it, why his mods are so power hungry, and not a response was given. Shocker.

Hate to say it, but mods aren't infallible.

Its true, no one is infallible, but you know just blatantly accusing people of being power hungry, that's always going to make them so delighted to respond to you. ¬__¬

 

[Mizuhiro Neko]

That's just the thing though, no one really knows for sure how it actually happened, that's just a rumor spreading around, the backgrounds actually were never stolen, that's just a lame-ass excuse that was used. The mods didn't do the right thing and enver even warned her, they just removed the content without pulling her aside or without giving her time to remove the "offending/stolen" backgrounds in her pictures herself. That sounds like pretty shitty management to me, none of her pics even violated the AUP, yet, they used it as a reason, supposedly. That's why I used quotes, no one even knows what the real reason for the removal, but nothing more than an abuse of authority, and I asked Dragoneer on here the other day about it, why his mods are so power hungry, and not a response was given. Shocker.

Hate to say it, but mods aren't infallible.

They don't have to warn you that they're taking something down. They probably got a complaint. Just ask them why they took it down and say you can prove your art wasn't infringing on anything. They'll probably work with you. I had something taken down once. I replied to the PM, and Sciggles explained that she didn't want to take it down because it has been up for so long, but someone had filed a complaint that the picture was blurry. I didn't think it was, she didn't think it was, but rules are rules, so I asked her to pose with Dragoneer again for a replacement picture, and she was happy to do so.

 

[TheArchiver]

Still a bit humorous Piche feels that taking up a service issue with one's manager is a threat. I suppose we can expect bans if more people "threaten" to divulge FA's problems to the management of its new owner.

 

[Victor-933]

They don't have to warn you that they're taking something down. They probably got a complaint. Just ask them why they took it down and say you can prove your art wasn't infringing on anything. They'll probably work with you. I had something taken down once. I replied to the PM, and Sciggles explained that she didn't want to take it down because it has been up for so long, but someone had filed a complaint that the picture was blurry. I didn't think it was, she didn't think it was, but rules are rules, so I asked her to pose with Dragoneer again for a replacement picture, and she was happy to do so.

I got some stuff nuked early on because of a bit of confusion regarding AUP. I had posted screenshots of levels I made for Half-Life 1 using Valve Hammer Editor. There was no warning, I logged in one day and a bunch of stuff was just gone with half a dozen notes saying "we nuked this because it violates AUP". Clarified things with the mods and got the go-ahead to resubmit. "Mapping", as it's known, for Half-Life involves quite a bit more work than say, Minecraft, which is why this stuff was still acceptable under AUP.

 

[Verin Asper]

I got some stuff nuked early on because of a bit of confusion regarding AUP. I had posted screenshots of levels I made for Half-Life 1 using Valve Hammer Editor. There was no warning, I logged in one day and a bunch of stuff was just gone with half a dozen notes saying "we nuked this because it violates AUP". Clarified things with the mods and got the go-ahead to resubmit. "Mapping", as it's known, for Half-Life involves quite a bit more work than say, Minecraft, which is why this stuff was still acceptable under AUP.

This is what tends to happen if you dont have folks who specializes in things, cause another admin can and could clearly go "yea they mention they made this map" but another would go "looks like a game, remove"

 

[Victor-933]

This is what tends to happen if you dont have folks who specializes in things, cause another admin can and could clearly go "yea they mention they made this map" but another would go "looks like a game, remove"

Well, to be fair, I haven't exactly seen many other people on the site who post screenshots of maps they've made. Garry's Mod, maybe, but that's about as close as it gets. I guess the next-closest thing would be people who doodle things in Google SketchUp, since Hammer is set up very similarly to a commercial CAD program (and can even export into an AutoCAD format).

 

[PheagleAdler]

If you post screenshots of games, expect to have these kinds of problems. These submissions are a lot less original than a commission you got, or something you drew on your own.

 

[alphaomegaone]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o3X3AC9vIWx877VWyWyJu8_q964oqo6dxDu_N6JrUcE/edit This is a pretty good read

 

[Victor-933]

If you post screenshots of games, expect to have these kinds of problems. These submissions are a lot less original than a commission you got, or something you drew on your own.

If you say so...

 

[Roshiyu]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o3X3AC9vIWx877VWyWyJu8_q964oqo6dxDu_N6JrUcE/edit This is a pretty good read

Who wrote this, if I may ask?

 

[RTDragon]

Who wrote this, if I may ask?

Actually i just found out who i'll send you a PM with the original link to it. Not going to post it here considering the last thing needed is harrasment coming from here.

 

[alphaomegaone]

If you say so...

You know it was asked here if IMVU stuff gets past the rules, no one gave me an answer. But stuff like this is hard work, there is no way this should be aagainst the rules or anything

 

[Mizuhiro Neko]

Actually i just found out who i'll send you a PM with the original link to it. Not going to post it here considering the last thing needed is harrasment coming from here.

I'm curious about this, as well. Could you please inform me, as well?

 

[Victor-933]

You know it was asked here if IMVU stuff gets past the rules, no one gave me an answer. But stuff like this is hard work, there is no way this should be aagainst the rules or anything

I guess I should clarify. The stuff I mentioned getting removed happened around 2011, which is what I meant by "early on". I only chimed in because of

They don't have to warn you that they're taking something down.

 

[Gryphoneer]

I'm curious about this, as well. Could you please inform me, as well?

It's from here.

 

[Mizuhiro Neko]

It's from here.

Thank you.

 

[PheagleAdler]

Ooh, drama! Really, this thread was practically dead, let's revive it with some schmo's letter!

 

[RTDragon]

It's from here.

Really wish you did'nt post the link since the last thing we need is a certain someone inciting harrassment.

 

[Biochemiphy]

Ooh, drama! Really, this thread was practically dead, let's revive it with some schmo's letter!