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Runefox

Kitsune of the PC Master Race
I will fully and openly admit it - I am f*cking scared!

And this, right there, is why perhaps some more time should have been put into the questions that people would have asked rather than counting the stacks of bills. Two whole months, you guys waited to announce this, and you weren't even prepared for the questions. You should have had a FAQ already done up. You should have asked for input from people privy to the sale. You should have known that people would be worried about this. But no. You announced it and expected it to go swimmingly. Not a very good first impression on IMVU for handling a public announcement.

This is pretty much what Neer said they're going to do, so why did they make a huge investment for FA's sake?

My thoughts, since Dragoneer won't or can't tell us, are that he was desperate to get rid of his FA-related debt and IMVU saw an opportunity for a relatively inexpensive expansion to their dwindling community. They're desperate for users, he's desperate for cash, a match made in heaven. Mark my words: Eventually, FA users will be de-facto IMVU users.
 
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Rowedahelicon

Banned
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And this, right there, is why perhaps some more time should have been put into the questions that people would have asked rather than counting the stacks of bills. Two whole months, you guys waited to announce this, and you weren't even prepared for the questions. You should have had a FAQ already done up. You should have asked for input from people privy to the sale. You should have known that people would be worried about this. But no. You announced it and expected it to go swimmingly. Not a very good first impression on IMVU for handling a public announcement.



My thoughts, since Dragoneer won't or can't tell us, are that he was desperate to get rid of his FA-related debt and IMVU saw an opportunity for a relatively inexpensive expansion to their dwindling community. They're desperate for users, he's desperate for cash, a match made in heaven. Mark my words: Eventually, FA users will be de-facto IMVU users.

I still want to know why he turned down some of the offers he did get, I know for a fact he has gotten fair ones that the community would have loved and would have kept him as admin. He has an affinity for making the worst possible choices when given them.
 
Most of you guys are freakin ridiculous. As the previous owner of the site, he has complete and full rights to do whatever he damn wants with it. It's not a democracy- it is his personal property that he decided to sell over to a larger business. We get that you guys have set up your own commission businesses and you may feel like you have a big place in the site, but at the end of the day it was his site.

Why? It's really none of our business. He could have sold it over to windows and turned it pink and you know what- we cannot do anything about it but gripe and scream and leave.

The statements he has made so far are entirely for our benefit, and honestly, he doesn't have to say more than "I sold the company to blank- here are any changes to your ToS that happened. Everything further is explicitly for PR reasons and trying to limit the amount of crying and whining and conspiracy theories going on. He absolutely does not need to scan out important private documents for you guys, and somehow I doubt that hardly any of you read the Terms of Agreement on anything anyway until you want to use it as legal fodder.

Do I trust the donation set up? Nah- so I don't donate. Do I like this turnover? Who friggin knows? Why?- because absolutely nothing has changed in my user experience in this site. And until I see it changing, I have no reason to think dark sinister thoughts about it's future.

Websites come and go. Have you seen Neopets? Myspace? Deviantart? All these have changed dramatically over the years and their users either stayed or left.

Until I start seeing changes, I'm going to hold my horses and keep using furrafinity just like I always did and do.
 

Runefox

Kitsune of the PC Master Race
Most of you guys are freakin ridiculous. As the previous owner of the site, he has complete and full rights to do whatever he damn wants with it.
That would be true if he weren't also the head of a community and if he actually legally purchased the site to begin with.
 

Rowedahelicon

Banned
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Most of you guys are freakin ridiculous. As the previous owner of the site, he has complete and full rights to do whatever he damn wants with it.

But that isn't true, he doesn't own every bit of the site and some legal issues could arise out of that.

Meanwhile, I've never much appreciated the flak people get for caring passionately about something, yes websites come and go, and that is because people let them. Not everyone wants to sit here and let our community be mucked around with, not if we can help it. Just because it doesn't personally affect you, doesn't mean the concern that later a problem could arise isn't there.
 

TheArchiver

Ace Documenter
Just because it doesn't personally affect you, doesn't mean the concern that later a problem could arise isn't there.

Isn't is strange how the ones crying about drama and telling everyone to shut up don't rely on their art to survive or don't draw at all?
 

Kajet

Member
Varsha said:
You are certainly right that the community members share a wide spectrum of content.

As to the question about future plans, they are exactly what we have stated in our announcements:

No change to FurAffinity.net except for more resources to make site improvements and additional advertising on the site from our ad partners.

IMVU's policies regarding content are not applicable to art or any other content shared on FA site.

IMVU does not take ownership/take commission from etc for any artwork shared/sold on FA.

No change to IMVU community

I took this from the thread on IMVU's forums... and... Huh... sounds like something EA would say after they bought a company... You know before the purchased company fails to meet expectations and is immediately dissolved.
 

Rowedahelicon

Banned
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Isn't is strange how the ones crying about drama and telling everyone to shut up don't rely on their art to survive or don't draw at all?

Not necessarily, I've seen plenty of "popufur" artists who also claim nothing is wrong and therefore we're wrong. I wouldn't group everyone into associations other than those who believe these issues are silly and those who don't. That being said, these kind of resistance comes back from just how easy it is to ignore and dismiss the problem rather than bother to research and understand.

It's why a lot of those against Neer and the site come off as angry, they're upset over the lack of common sense and abundance of forgiveness people have.
 

TheArchiver

Ace Documenter
Not necessarily, I've seen plenty of "popufur" artists who also claim nothing is wrong and therefore we're wrong.

Oh of course because they're the ones who receive special treatment from Dragoneer at the expense of others (Zaush comes to mind).
 

EGKangaroo

New Member
But that isn't true, he doesn't own every bit of the site and some legal issues could arise out of that.

Meanwhile, I've never much appreciated the flak people get for caring passionately about something, yes websites come and go, and that is because people let them. Not everyone wants to sit here and let our community be mucked around with, not if we can help it. Just because it doesn't personally affect you, doesn't mean the concern that later a problem could arise isn't there.

Huh, is this true? I'm kinda ignorant on details like this, but who else has ownership over parts of the site?
 

Rowedahelicon

Banned
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Huh, is this true? I'm kinda ignorant on details like this, but who else has ownership over parts of the site?

Pure speculation, but someone by the name of Arcturus will be seeking legal counsel soon as he claims he may own 50% of the site's code as he helped build it. As mentioned, pure speculation but interesting to note.
 

Runefox

Kitsune of the PC Master Race
Huh, is this true? I'm kinda ignorant on details like this, but who else has ownership over parts of the site?

Arcturus co-owned the site with Jheryn when Jheryn sold the site to Dragoneer. Arcturus was never informed, paid, nor made part of the sale. Technically speaking, he still has a 50% stake in the site.
 

Kragith Zedrok

Black and Red All Day Long
Arcturus co-owned the site with Jheryn when Jheryn sold the site to Dragoneer. Arcturus was never informed, paid, nor made part of the sale. Technically speaking, he still has a 50% stake in the site.
If thats the case, hello lawsuit.

Oh of course because they're the ones who receive special treatment from Dragoneer at the expense of others (Zaush comes to mind).
heh… not anymore. At least that changes indirectly. Though I see some issues with these things. If this is a true "partnership" then is it a 50/50 split. If Neer is now Manager, what IMVU could do as a possible business venture is buyout Neer's position. Yes or no?

No what happens to the current staff? Are all subsidiaries "fired?" As FAF is a separate unity I don't see that question being in effect here.
 

RedSavage

Rattlesnake Flavored
Lesse. They had that big donation drive in October? Correct me if I'm wrong. And by the end of December the decision was made to sell. Apparently talks happened in December. But you know, I find it hard to believe that this was a decision that took merely a month to negotiate. Ten bucks says Dragoneer knew of and was considering the deal when they did the donation drive.

Or he took a mere month to decide that only two months after taking 10k of the uservase's money he would pass on ownership.

On second thought, maybe an ownership change was more than needed. Maybe this is the better move and Dragoneer has realized that ownership of such a website was beyond him. Not knocking on him--just a statement of fact. 'Neer was, first and foremost, just a coder from the dA website. Some people aren't cut out for running a business (I certainly know I ain't) and 'Neer probably realizes that. (As if 10k owed in back taxes wasn't an indicator anyhow)


I guess on second thought I could give a hoot less. FA is the Walmart of furry sites. Everyone smack talks and criticizes it, and their business model is questionable at best, but at the end of the day everyone except the hipsters and well-to-dos use it anyways cause it's convenient and it's where most everyone is at.

At this point it's only the userbase keeping me here. And a lot of other folk as well. So here's a hint: don't piss off the userbase. Cause I gurantee you it ain't the site functionality and sterling management practice that's keeping us here.
 

Runefox

Kitsune of the PC Master Race
If this is a true "partnership" then is it a 50/50 split. If Neer is now Manager, what IMVU could do as a possible business venture is buyout Neer's position. Yes or no?
There's no position to "buyout". Dragoneer is not a partner. He's an employee. IMVU owns 100% of FurAffinity. This talk of partnership is not relating to a business venture.

Incidentally, IMVU is backed by Best Buy Capital, which in a roundabout way makes Dragoneer a Best Buy employee.
 

Deo

The hatred of FAF personified
What the fuck 'Neer. Sell the site to a company known for being in beta for 10 years and full of malware? Does IMVU owning it at least mean that the dogfuckers and rapists will be removed from staff?
 

Runefox

Kitsune of the PC Master Race
a company known for being in beta for 10 years and full of malware
It almost sounds like you're trying to describe FurAffinity.
 

Naesaki

JRPG Fanatic
Not gonna lie, I laughed my ass of when I got the news. Then I realized the IMVU was still a thing and laughed harder.

I had a double dose of Irony when one of my irl friends just randomly mentions IMVU today because he wanted an outlet to chat to people on, and then it turned weird on him, I had to cover my face for several minutes before responding. "I didn't realise you went back to the mid 2000s"
 

Half-Note

Member
I've honestly never heard of this IMVU thing. What are they? Should I worry? >_>
 

Runefox

Kitsune of the PC Master Race
What are they?
Really sleazy chat client that advertises casinos and usually shows up in ads on the darker corners of the internet. A Second Life clone. Known primarily for its ugly as sin Bratz-style 3D models.

Should I worry? >_>
Probably, but nobody really knows for sure what the future holds. All we know is that the site and everything to do with FurAffinity is wholly owned by them.
 

Croconaw

#1 Most Requested Croconaw
Placing bets that Neer caves then LOL I WAS JKING APRIL FOOLZ LOLZ XD
 

Kragith Zedrok

Black and Red All Day Long
There's no position to "buyout". Dragoneer is not a partner. He's an employee. IMVU owns 100% of FurAffinity. This talk of partnership is not relating to a business venture.

Incidentally, IMVU is backed by Best Buy Capital, which in a roundabout way makes Dragoneer a Best Buy employee.

So what is this partnership then? Why say Partnership if thats not what this is?

Thats kinda cool actually, I trust Best Buy
 
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