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FA Policy Notice - "Cub" Art

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Dragoneer

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1) the term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an actual minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adults.
Note on US code Title 18, Chapter 2256


There are many kinds of activities which are illegal: rape, drug use, incest, bestiality, driving a car too fast, smoking a cigarette in a pub, etc. The list could go on and on. In some countries, homosexuality, democracy, freedom of speech and free-thinking are outlawed, held hostage under tight regimes, the penalties of which are anything but gentle. Some people have spent their entire lives in jail for exercising their independence.

Fur Affinity allows users to post art based on all of the above interests with no repercussions.

According to law based in the United States, furry art does not fall under the restrictions imposed towards pedophilia, and while similar, it is not the same thing. No actual child is hurt by the depiction in the art. Furries do not exist in real life, and as such are nothing more than imaginative xenomorphic entities. Given that, we feel that it is in our best interest as a website not to censor cub-related art.

If, however, we feel that the any art uploaded to Fur Affinity is based off of a real child, or meant to represent a real child, we will take action against that user and report them to the proper authorities and pull their artwork. The administration behind Fur Affinity does not, and will not, ever support pedophilia. We will, however, choose and defend people's rights to freedom of expression and choice.

The original Terms of Service, which has been undergoing re-write, did prohibit posting of such artwork. The rules have been under review for some time now and have been discussed as we move to revise our documentation. The rules have changed over time, and the TOS has not been updated to reflect these changes. We expect to have an updated TOS within the next two weeks to reflect changes made in time.

In the near future we will implement a series of filters to allow people to block and exclude art of all content types, giving them better control of how they use the Fur Affinity service. A great many people voiced that they felt for and against the art, but would be able to cope with given a proper filtration system was implemented on the site. We feel that this is the best method possible. Put the control and power in the hands of users for them to choose their own path.

We understand that many of you may not agree with this decision, but we felt that it was in the best interest of the site not to act as moral judges, not to choose for users what is ethically right or wrong. Why should cub art be the ultimate evil, when artistic depictions of rape, murder and drug use, all of which are quite illegal in the real world, are posted with no complaint? When do morals begin and end? Why does one moral high road state that cub art is the end all, be all of evil yet art depicting rape does not get the same brunt of the hate?

There are many things that we, as individuals, object to and find find repulsive, but as people, as individuals, we have both the power and ultimate responsibility to make our own decisions. The right belongs to the people to exercise their power of choice. They can choose not to look at a submission, pass it by, +fav or even opt out of using the entire website.

We understand this is not the popular decision with users, but we choose to represent the ideals of freedom of speech and the right for individuals to make their own decisions as to what they view.

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People erupting drama in this thread may find their forum account meeting a 24 hour suspension. Flames/insults will not be tolerated. Counter flaming/insults will also LIKEWISE not be tolerated.
 

Alchera

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And the Animaniacs, and other Toon Porn. Remember Warner Brothers and VCL?
 

Dragoneer

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Alchera said:
And the Animaniacs, and other Toon Porn. Remember Warner Brothers and VCL?
Fall under "Fan art" and will be discussed by the admins as a seperate issue.
 

Hulex

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Yay! So glad we came to a reasonable decision here :3

When it comes right down to it, it really is about freedom of speech and expression. Not everyone likes it, but it does seem to be the most fair route to take at least.

Not turning this into another debate since the decision is final and we don't want to drag this out to 100+ pages again.

I'm just glad we coudl resolve this. Here's to hoping future drama/whining is kept to a minimum :O
 

Dragoneer

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Alchera said:
And the Animaniacs, and other Toon Porn. Remember Warner Brothers and VCL?
Fall under "Fan art" and will be discussed by the admins as a separate issue.
 

Lando

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Hah, well my first post was spam; I admit.

However, as a humanist; I fully support this statement, and applaud the upstanding logic and underlying goodwill portrayed within it.
 

Vilani

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Thank you for finally comming on an agreement about this.
It's your choise about what's best for the site and I believe you are right :3
 

Raven

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So the verdict is to keep it? Thats cool, i knew you guys wouldnt let the masses ban our freedoms. *hugs to the FA-ness*
 

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Hulex said:
When it comes right down to it, it really is about freedom of speech and expression. Not everyone likes it, but it does seem to be the most fair route to take at least.
I hate cub art, and dislike it with a passion. However, I am not going to vote to ban something that is clearly not against the law in the US (whose "moral standards" are exceptionally high when it comes to banning/blocking items).

Again, the issue comes down to (in my view) hypocrisy. Why is cub art bad, yet nobody is protesting rape, murder, drug use, etc. No real children are being harmed, and if we ever discover they are, or have reason to believe, we will take action with the law.
 

Arcturus

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Thank you for making the wisest choice.
 

VermyFox

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Well, seeing that so far people who want to see and take interest in fantasizing of pedophilia are being allowed as okay. I'll head off to other ventures for a while. Ah well been fun and either way, that wasn't an easy decision I'm sure on both sides. I might come back later if the site stays about the same as it has been, but if it goes down, ah well.
 

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VermyFox said:
Well, seeing that so far people who want to see and take interest in fantasizing of pedophilia are being allowed as okay. I'll head off to other ventures for a while. Ah well been fun and either way, that wasn't an easy decision I'm sure on both sides. I might come back later if the site stays about the same as it has been, but if it goes down, ah well.
The site is only going to improve, and we're adding to our hardware in December.
 

Thot

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Dragoneer said:
If, however, we feel that the any art uploaded to Fur Affinity is based off of a real child, or meant to represent a real child, we will take action against that user and report them to the proper authorities and pull their artwork. The administration behind Fur Affinity does not, and will not, ever support pedophilia.
Does this refer to art depicting real humans or humans in general?

Thank you btw.
 

Vilani

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Thot said:
Does this refer to art depicting real humans or humans in general?
*nods* yes, like anime-like characters, for example (edited because I just read that Fanart is being discussed)
 

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Thot said:
Does this refer to art depicting real humans or humans in general?

Thank you btw.
The rules will change so that art depicting human children in sexual situations will no longer be allowed -- this includes Anime series. The law is specific. Furries are not real, and thus cub art is permitted. The law, however, is specific as to humans, and they are no longer permitted.
 

GaeronDrasska

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Well, when the filters are in place, I'll be back, until then. See you

And as this thread will become a mass of drama, you should lock it quick.
 
A very well-reasoned and articulate answer, I am very satisfied with this. Hopefully we can put all the drama behind us and move on now.
 

Dragoneer

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GaeronDrasska said:
Well, when the filters are in place, I'll be back, until then. See you

And as this thread will become a mass of drama, you should lock it quick.
People who turn this thread into drama city may find a 24 hour suspension if they get out of hand. Our decision is final.
 

Thot

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Dragoneer said:
The rules will change so that art depicting human children in sexual situations will no longer be allowed -- this includes Anime series. The law is specific. Furries are not real, and thus cub art is not permitted. The law, however, is specific as to humans, and they are no longer permitted.
I may not like that part of the decision, but I can see and fully understand why it was made.
 

Faeon

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VermyFox said:
Well, seeing that so far people who want to see and take interest in fantasizing of pedophilia are being allowed as okay. I'll head off to other ventures for a while. Ah well been fun and either way, that wasn't an easy decision I'm sure on both sides. I might come back later if the site stays about the same as it has been, but if it goes down, ah well.

And so the exodus of the whiney and sulky begins. Farewell, may you find that magical land where you always get your way and you won't ever have to leave a wonderful furry-friendly website simply because it doesn't tailor to your every whim.
 
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