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FA Policy Notice - "Cub" Art

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Dragoneer

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BlueVon said:
i still think its wrong cause what if later the pedofiles gets incouraged to do something like raping a 14 yr old girl in real life? it doesnt matter if it has to represent an actual person or not, its the thought of it. and by letting this by, its only encourges someone to actually take such action on some lil girl and then that person will blame FA for it..... its only a matter of time...
What if somebody views rape art on FA and decides to rape a person? What if somebody sees inflation are and attempts to inflate themselves in real life, and hurts themselves? Somebody sees a furry character doing drugs and decides to inject heroine into their testicles?

At what point does the responsibility becomes ours or that individuals? We can not be responsible for people who have pre-existing mental images and may be set off by what they see, because if something IS going to set them off, it could be anything.
 

timbatig

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Zakassis said:
timbatig said:
Dragoneer said:
The rules will change so that art depicting human children in sexual situations will no longer be allowed -- this includes Anime series. The law is specific. Furries are not real, and thus cub art is not permitted. The law, however, is specific as to humans, and they are no longer permitted.

You meant prohibited, right o_o Cub art is not prohibited?

Cub art is allowed, but fan-based artworks depicting human children (or any, for that matter) isn't, quite simply because "human" isn't "cub".

That's why I italicized the part where he said permitted in "Furries are not real, and thus cub art is not permitted" I just wanted clarification, because that could come back to bite someone.
 

mirroreyes

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I've noticed that some people don't even use the rating thingies. I have my mature filter on and I end up seeing lots of porn. Will the rating become manditory for upload in the future?
 

BlueVon

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timbatig said:
Dragoneer said:
The rules will change so that art depicting human children in sexual situations will no longer be allowed -- this includes Anime series. The law is specific. Furries are not real, and thus cub art is not permitted. The law, however, is specific as to humans, and they are no longer permitted.

that absolutly makes no sence whats so ever. anime/manga characters arnt real. furries are basically like 50% human and 50% animal.

also, are you saying that taking an anime style human thats 12 yrs old, naked, with cat ears and tail is okay? cause its not human cause it has cat ears and tail. its not real, its only supporting the idea of pedofiles and it should be BAND and DROPPED. period!
 

Pinkuh

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mirroreyes said:
I've noticed that some people don't even use the rating thingies. I have my mature filter on and I end up seeing lots of porn. Will the rating become manditory for upload in the future?


Actualy it's illeagle now... if you would kindly point to the porn that has been mislabled to any of the admins we will handle it.
 

Zakassis

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BlueVon said:
timbatig said:
Dragoneer said:
The rules will change so that art depicting human children in sexual situations will no longer be allowed -- this includes Anime series. The law is specific. Furries are not real, and thus cub art is not permitted. The law, however, is specific as to humans, and they are no longer permitted.

that absolutly makes no sence whats so ever. anime/manga characters arnt real. furries are basically like 50% human and 50% animal.

also, are you saying that taking an anime style human thats 12 yrs old, naked, with cat ears and tail is okay? cause its not human cause it has cat ears and tail. its not real, its only supporting the idea of pedofiles and it should be BAND and DROPPED. period!

Neko, IMO, is still human, so...
 

Dragoneer

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mirroreyes said:
I've noticed that some people don't even use the rating thingies. I have my mature filter on and I end up seeing lots of porn. Will the rating become manditory for upload in the future?
It is mandatory. If you see people posting pr0n mis-categorized please notify an admin so we can take action.
 

BlueVon

Member
What if somebody views rape art on FA and decides to rape a person? What if somebody sees inflation are and attempts to inflate themselves in real life, and hurts themselves? Somebody sees a furry character doing drugs and decides to inject heroine into their testicles?

At what point does the responsibility becomes ours or that individuals? We can not be responsible for people who have pre-existing mental images and may be set off by what they see, because if something IS going to set them off, it could be anything.

well, i will agree with you there. if they wanna go and screw up their life, then let them. less pervs and sexual prediters on the street. though the images still supports the whole idea of it...
 

Alevva

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BlueVon said:
timbatig said:
Dragoneer said:
The rules will change so that art depicting human children in sexual situations will no longer be allowed -- this includes Anime series. The law is specific. Furries are not real, and thus cub art is not permitted. The law, however, is specific as to humans, and they are no longer permitted.

that absolutly makes no sence whats so ever. anime/manga characters arnt real. furries are basically like 50% human and 50% animal.

also, are you saying that taking an anime style human thats 12 yrs old, naked, with cat ears and tail is okay? cause its not human cause it has cat ears and tail. its not real, its only supporting the idea of pedofiles and it should be BAND and DROPPED. period!

I dunno about you, but I can see the clear difference between the two.
 

SilverAutomatic

The Sound of Madness
So, you're allowing it then? Alright - that's fine.

Morally, it itches me a little, but it's not being thrown in my face, so i'm fine with it. However, this is something I have to ask for thoes of you who draw/post cub art. Please, out of respect for us who do not with to view such art, use a seperate thumbnail that says it's cub art. Sometimes thumbnail arn't all that clear to me (since certain pictures look different thanks to my screen resolution).

I know there may be one or two of you who will take that the wrong way and possibily finger me as a spamer or a troll. I'm not.

You have to understand, i'm 100% for freedom of speach. It's something I protect on a daily basis and it's something that I personally feel is the only true freedom left in America. However, I still have a point where in the back of my head I stop myself and say "this is a little too much", and cub art falls in that spot.

Again, freedom of spech, sweet!, but i'm asking that until the filters are in place that you please, out of respect for thoes of us who don't wish to view that art, that you mark of the image as such.
 
Well since we're all talking about "Freedom of Expression" here, allow me to freely express that I believe "The FA Administation" (or what's left of it) made a very poor decision in this matter. I am severely disappointed by your judgement, and with myself for believing FA had the integrity and intelligence to do better.

Today you backed down from the agreement you had with the artists who use this site, you forsook the moral standards of the community, and you drove an overwhelming number of skilled and respected artists to exile.

That is inexcusable in my eyes, even when done in the name of "Freedom of Expression".

Respectfully,
~Earthshine Saicin
 

Kuriin

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Like Dragoneer said, cub art is pretty much the same thing as rape. If you tolerate rape, and don't tolerate cub art, then that's sort of setting a double standard up. Because, in real life, they're both pretty damn bad. :)
 

Avylin

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SilverAutomatic said:
Again, freedom of spech, sweet!, but i'm asking that until the filters are in place that you please, out of respect for thoes of us who don't wish to view that art, that you mark of the image as such.

I'm going to second this.

I'm also concerned that, after so vitriolic a debate, the "winning" side is going to want to assert the authority that the decision has effectively given them by being very prominent with their work. I would ask on behalf not of the outspoken anti-cub camp, but on that of those who simply don't wish to see it (as they might not want to see anything of fetishistic content), that cub artists show tact and discretion with presenting their work over the coming months.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
CaptainSaicin said:
Today you backed down from the agreement you had with the artists who use this site, you forsook the moral standards of the community, and you drove an overwhelming number of skilled and respected artists to exile.

That is inexcusable in my eyes, even when done in the name of "Freedom of Expression".

Oh god, stop with the grandstanding already. What is "overwhelming" what is "skilled" what is "respected"

This is, INSANE.

I'm so tired of this, I really am.
 

verix

some dragon
CaptainSaicin said:
and you drove an overwhelming number of skilled and respected artists to exile.
Name 'em.

I'm serious. I hear this only on the anti-skub side of the aisle that says "IF YOU DO THIS EVERYONE WILL LEAVE!" Who will leave? Which artists?

And what's the concrete number? Is it half? 75%? "A ton"? What is the statistic of people who said they will actually leave FurAffinity forever in boycott of this decision?

And among those who have actually said they'd leave, I'd like to document who actually leaves once the message germinates. If anything, the election in November of 2004 showed me that when people say "I'M LEAVING IF X HAPPENS" don't really mean it. There are a few apples on the tree that essentially give the root the finger and fall off, but most actually say "oh well um I guess I'll just stay here and hang around anyway."

As far as I can tell, threatening the administration with the claim that everyone will leave the community in a torrent of fury is unsubstantiated and nothing but scaremongering in a fallacious attempt to persuade them to go in the direction you prefer.
 

Farx

The Fat Fox That Rocks
In my opinion, having an open mind is an ideal and worthy thing to possess and strive towards. Tolerance is a key issue today in a bit of society's problems and freedom of expression is a right to hold near and dear to one's self. This subject has been a sticky wicket, where does one draw the line ? I have no issue with non sexually themed cub art, personally I voted keep the 'ban' in place because I could not distinguish the place where that line was drawn.
Having voted, and seeing how incredibly divided the populace was, I am curious to know if the voting results held any weight in the final administrative decision ? Or perhaps if the voting outcome was more titled to a particular side, than it would have more of an influence ?

I do agree with the wisdom put forth in saying that "rape, drug use, etc... are illegal, but not when depicted in illustration."
I also have to say to that note, just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
 

neowolf

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To the mods here, especially the beloved Dragoneer (*wink*, *wink*), I truly feel sorry for you guys. Considering how the vote went you were setup to definitely get about half of the population really pissed off no matter what you did. With all of them preaching and whining about their own version of morality not being made into law.

Though I must admit, the not real humans aspect of the clause seems somewhat obtuse. After all what happens when we start getting into minotaurs, centaurs, and then fairies and elves? I'm not trying to suggest thing either way. It just seems like a really slippery setup to me.
 

N3X15

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An announcement on the site asking artists to add warnings to cubart thumbnails would be nice :|

Also, gj.
 

KCat

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Today you backed down from the agreement you had with the artists who use this site
TOSs change all the time. They handled the material before as stated in the TOS, the TOS changed, and they'll continue to handle things as stated in the TOS. At least they actually make it known the TOS is changing (and asked for input on it), unlike most places that tend to remain hush-hush about it.
 

X-Monkey

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i just can´t spect less of this side... one more time FA show why is one of the best place on the web for the fur artist..... of course the decition doen´t like to all but the respect than FA show is something than everyone can see... thanks a lot to all (not for allow cub art) by permit to exprese myself and exprese to all
 

SilverAutomatic

The Sound of Madness
Arshes Nei said:
CaptainSaicin said:
Today you backed down from the agreement you had with the artists who use this site, you forsook the moral standards of the community, and you drove an overwhelming number of skilled and respected artists to exile.

That is inexcusable in my eyes, even when done in the name of "Freedom of Expression".

Oh god, stop with the grandstanding already. What is "overwhelming" what is "skilled" what is "respected"

This is, INSANE.

I'm so tired of this, I really am.

AGREED! loldrama

Guys, most of the really, really, really well respected and well known (i.e. MBR, EWS, and one other I really can't put my finger on) didn't even comment on the matter. I doubt they'll be taking off any time soon.
 
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