FA Policy Notice - "Cub" Art

[Pawsie]

Did I hear that people are leaving because FA allows a certain type of art that has been on the site in the past? Eh... whatever. It almost sounds like the gay marriage thing, but on a much lower scale.

 

[Lt_Havoc]

I´m just not sure what to do. Its a community falling apart over one thing and its all stupid and whatnot. I just dont see why all this had to happen in the first place. It was not nesscary. Wehn somone could give me a real answer to all this, so I understand, but its all so surreal at the moment.

I also dont know about any gay marriage thing, I dont live in the states.

That brings a question up: what is with Lolicon and shota, how this is going to be handeld? What if people do not make the right tag on thier submissions for the filter? How does it look with international users, like me, where cub,lolicon and shota are forbidden?

Its always focused on the USA, but what is with the users not living there that have diffrent laws?

 

[blade]

Did I hear that people are leaving because FA allows a certain type of art that has been on the site in the past? Eh... whatever. It almost sounds like the gay marriage thing, but on a much lower scale.

Actually it does in a way.

 

[N3X15]

I´m just not sure what to do. Its a community falling apart over one thing and its all stupid and whatnot. I just dont see why all this had to happen in the first place. It was not nesscary. Wehn somone could give me a real answer to all this, so I understand, but its all so surreal at the moment.

I also dont know about any gay marriage thing, I dont live in the states.

That brings a question up: what is with Lolicon and shota, how this is going to be handeld? What if people do not make the right tag on thier submissions for the filter? How does it look with international users, like me, where cub,lolicon and shota are forbidden?

Its always focused on the USA, but what is with the users not living there that have diffrent laws?

Its focused in the USA because that's where the servers are. If someone posts shit that's illegal, the server admins could be held liable.

 

[Arshes Nei]

You know anime used to be counted as pedophilia. Just because of the style. There were furry artists getting heat for it everyday because of the style they drew. There was never going to be a clear line here, but people had to push it. Zaush made a good point because I was gonna say that to someone else. His Citras would fall under "sexually underdeveloped" Does that mean he was a pedophile, or because he was a good artist people were turning blind eyes, or even doing their own interpretations of Citras. I kinda find that ironic.

Yes, some people left, but as I said before there was a lot of shit that was morally bankrupt that wasn't against the TOS they were perfectly able to look away. I guess child abuse in phyiscal is ok these days now, since that wasn't something addressed, but people sure do get bothered by sex.

I dunno people try to justify a lot of crap here that doesn't with me morally, but again at least I do understand my difference between reality and fantasy.

 

[psion]

While I finally joined FA's forums too late for the drama, I respect your final decision on this issue. Don't like it, but I can respect it and understand your reasons for it.

 

[Arshes Nei]

Its focused in the USA because that's where the servers are. If someone posts shit that's illegal, the server admins could be held liable.

True, but everyone keeps talking and not doing the walk, let's not put this to the test and you know report FA?

 

[N3X15]

Its focused in the USA because that's where the servers are. If someone posts shit that's illegal, the server admins could be held liable.

True, but everyone keeps talking and not doing the walk, let's not put this to the test and you know report FA?

I'm not, I'm clarifying some people's concerns.

 

[Arshes Nei]

I understand that. I'm just saying that a lot of people are saying "illegal this" "illegal that" ok, since FA wanted to push the new stance on cub porn, why not equally push back and see how liable they actually are?

 

[uncia2000]

Canada already stamped furry porn as illegal.

Do you have a link and specific context on that, please?

Thank you,
David/u2k

 

[CoyoteTail]

-in after drama-
Thanks to the admins and Dragoneer for coming to such a reasonable conclusion, instead of following the poll results. Even for as many as we're losing now, I think FA would be experiencing more artist loss if they were to actively ban (instead of loosely TOS ban) cub art.

 

[Thot]

That brings a question up: what is with Lolicon and shota, how this is going to be handeld? What if people do not make the right tag on thier submissions for the filter? How does it look with international users, like me, where cub,lolicon and shota are forbidden?

Depictions of human children aren't allowed. I don't know if there were other reasons for this, but obviously this would be the part that could (in theory at least) get FA in trouble, given a realistically enough drawn picture. Though I believe the law excluded drawings and the like. Ah well...
They're getting a warning or something along the line.
What about simply not viewing the forbidden content where it may be seen by others (read: in public places)? If you're concerned about possibly getting caught viewing the site itself by other means, I'd suggest using a good (far off) Proxy.

 

[Shira]

let's not put this to the test and you know report FA?

We really don't need to even bring that idea up. No need to suggest even more possible causes for trouble. o.o

 

[jill]

i hope nobody leaves the site over my hot cub porn...
won't somebody...think of the babies...
http://www.furaffinity.net/full/277673/

[perfectly worksafe artwork done in parody, enjoy]

 

[Pawsie]

Well.. what I was going towards was the idea that this is extremely little.  The fact is.. cub crap was here before this discussion began.  It was not allow in this community, but no one enforced it.  Now it's officially allowed, and people want to leave because of it?

If cub porn was such a big problem, people would have left when the administration refused to enforce their law.  The only why people are "threatening to leave" -- which shouldn't be confused with people who  are really going to do it -- is that they did not get the answer they expected.  I suppose this is some childish stunt in the hope that the administration would regret driving them off.  

Truthfully, cub art only affects two people; the people who want to see that form of art and the people who want to make it.  The people who are disgusted by this art does not fit the equation because they are not the targetted audiance.  What they think shouldn't matter because they're not the ones who would want to see it.  

The only real problem is the "principle" that something they dislike is allowed in a place they go to.  People are basically threatening to leave a free community because it'll feature art they are not going to look at, instaed of simply not looking at it.  

This is like the gay marriage fiasco because a large majority of non gays are making rules on gay, even though it has nothing to do with non gays.

 

[foreverwhiteknight]

I sat here this morning and read this whole entire thread. All the drama all the flaming and a good amount of banning.

I had no clue this was going on, even though I come here every day :lol:

I came here just following someone I deeply care about from another art site, because I wanted to continue to watch their artwork and also because I like furry art as well. I honestly can't see what the huge issue is. Some people like this and some people don't. I can't sit here and say I like "adult" cub art, but at the same time I'm glad to see that they decided to let the people draw it as they wish. In the weeks that I've been here on this site, I've barely seen any cub porn at all.

I personally don't see how any of us can sit and judge other people for their type of art. Some people draw rape stuff, some people draw guy/guy or girl/girl stuff, some draw cub stuff, some don't draw anything but tame art, but everyone here does it for art. I may be wrong, but I doubt any of the people drawing cub porn would do that kind of thing to a real human. The judging should be left to the authority figures of wherever you are, in this case the admins and mods of this site. They ususally do whats best, even if its somthing we don't agree with.

 

[bluedrache]

This is a furry community...and nowhere else is there the level of drama and insider "hate" than anywhere else. I applaud the decision of the moderators for this. Though I do not care for cub art, it is neither my place nor my policy to deny one's freedom of expression. If I do not care for something *I* am responsible enough to use my better judgment and use any filtering that the site provides. In lieu of said filtering, I will just not go to those areas. It's not going to make me forgo the entire site and miss out on all the wonderful artwork because of an unpopular decision affecting a relatively MINOR subset of the fandom.

Once again, thank you for choosing freedom over fascism.

 

[Zelinko]

This is becoming a nightmare. We are CREATING a Red vs Blue Scenario. We need people to work for a comprimise or we go ultra polarized and neither side will want to move...

This is insane as with heated emotions everyone is going and being rash and insane.

 

[Lt_Havoc]

Now, there was it, the word I waited for "fascism". Does anyone even know what that word means? Its always used in situation like this, but ya know, even if they banned it, it wouldnt be "fascism" then. Ah, what the hell.

I agree with Zelinko here, he is right. As I said, the site will break in 2 factions about this and many leave, its not a good sign and I dont like it where that is going.

 

[Arshes Nei]

If cub porn was such a big problem, people would have left when the administration refused to do enforce their law. The only why people are "threatening to leave" -- which shouldn't be confused with people who are really going to do it -- is that they did not get the answer they expected. I suppose this is some childish stunt in the hope that the administration would regret driving them off.

You know that is a good point. You can yell all about the admins enforcing or not enforcing it all you want. Just because an "arbritary" TOS got lifted, now you're leaving. Where was the real moral outrage before this? If it was still there why did you stay?

That's why it just got really stupid.

It's not that I'm saying it was or was not enforced, it's just that I felt with the wording there was room for interpretation and no one would get happy unless it was done their way only and not what was the most reasonable.

 

[KCat]

Just because an "arbritary" TOS got lifted, now you're leaving. Where was the real moral outrage before this?

To be fair, not everyone knew there was cub porn here already. They assumed the TOS was a strict no, instead of the vague interpretation it was. Then they found out when all this hooplah started, and decided to wait for the official ruling instead of just leaving.

Though I find it funny that some people leaving here now were full and active members of Y!Gallery (which had accepted not only cub porn, but also anime-human children) right up until their ban of furries.

 

[Arshes Nei]

Just because an "arbritary" TOS got lifted, now you're leaving. Where was the real moral outrage before this?

To be fair, not everyone knew there was cub porn here already. They assumed the TOS was a strict no, instead of the vague interpretation it was. Then they found out when all this hooplah started, and decided to wait for the official ruling instead of just leaving.

Though I find it funny that some people leaving here now were full and active members of Y!Gallery (which had accepted not only cub porn, but also anime-human children) right up until their ban of furries.

OF COURSE. Which meant ignorance was bliss. The assumption the TOS was strict was also THEIR fault too. It means they didn't READ it either.

 

[N3X15]

Just because an "arbritary" TOS got lifted, now you're leaving. Where was the real moral outrage before this?

To be fair, not everyone knew there was cub porn here already.

Uhm, it was in the friggin' browse dropdown lists

Cub (Mature)


or something

 

[Pawsie]

So what does this mean.. that people know cub art is legal and it's perfectly reasonable for people to leave this community over cub art they didn't know existed until now?  

Personally I like cub art and voted to keep it in (though the majority went against it).  If they took it away I wouldn't take it that seriously.  It's not as if the entire community will be flooded with a mass amount of cub porn art from the minority that enjoys it.  Truthfully, nothing changed.  If you haven't found cub art accidently in the past, you won't accidently find it in the future.  It's just a kink that creeps out a lot of people.

All the people making these childish threat of leavign FA.. how about trying to force admin to finish with the filter.. as a resident of this community, I believe you have the right to not see things you don't wish to see.

 

[Merlynn27]

Honestly. What's the big goddamn deal? "OMG,cub pornz!" Yeah,it's "immoral". More immoral than,say,demons. How many of you have or draw demon characters? How about rape? Torture? Vore? How about a giant penis eating someone?

How many times as some uptight jerkwad come up to you and said "This shit is amoral and offensive and you should take it down NOW!"? And now,when you have a chance to stick up for your fellow artists and say "They have every right to draw what they want!",you instead grab a torch and join the mob.

It's a funny thing about free speech. Everyone wants to use it,but noone wants to deal with it when it works against them. When you want to put up your controversal porn,we should just all sit down and accept it,but if it's something you don't like,it should be outlawed. Fucking hypocrits.

If someone says something I don't want to hear,I either ignore them,or I use my right to free speech to call them an idiot and to leave me alone. Why is this so hard for everyone else to deal with? Why can't you just let people have their fun?

There are a lot of people who draw rape porn. Does that mean you're going to go rape someone? Does it mean you'd be ok with being raped? How about murder? I see lots of works with people dying horribly. Doesn't that mean that you really want to kill people? Should we be enabling this kind of behavior?

You're not fooling anyone. You're here for the same reason the "cub artists" are. Cause it's a free site to post your art and fantasies. To freely talk about what you like. And now you want to take that away from others.

Well,the next time someone comes on your page and tells you how "sick" your art is and that you should be ashamed of yourself,you look them straight in the eye and say "You're absolutly right". And then take it down. Cause deep down,you don't have the guts to stand up to them and you shouldn't benifit from those who do.