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FIAWOL vs FIJAGH (lifestylers vs hobbyists)

Are you a furry lifestyler or a hobbyist?


  • Total voters
    137

Kantress

Member
So then you would agree that putting furry on the same level as LGBT is also bullshit?

As far as general hardships and civil rights struggles? Yes, I would. It was never illegal to pretend to be a teenage raccoon or look at porn or wear tails and such. Not in America, anyway. However, that does not mean someone's discovery and enjoyment of furrydom would be insignificant. That's what I was talking about- the significance of the discovery and the culture. I was never suggesting we faced the same kind of persecution and legal disenfranchisement that LGBT people have and still do.
 

Kantress

Member
The people who insist everything must be furry and get mad when others don't see it that way.

Good for you.

Don't RP like that.

Dimwitted because I reject the "thing" that you're trying to justify?

1.) That's retarded. Who would demand everyone act furry around them? Sure, I'd love to be in a 'furry' society, but I'm not going to enforce that and make non-furries wear ears and whatever. There are furries who are that bad?

2.) Yay, someone agrees I'm not a complete embarrassment to furrydom!

3.) Stop telling me not to do things. It makes me want to do them even more. *trills evilly*

4.) There are several reasons for my judgement, but I need to get back to my chores soon and can't be bothered to state and source them all.
 

Kantress

Member
3. RP isn't allowed here.

See, you're a staff member, so I have to assume you're correct about that. It's a stupidly restrictive rule, but, whatever. So, you I'll listen to.


A kid whined that he wasn't allowed to wear ears+tail to a school with a dresscode and goes on to rant about fursecution.
Another wished that something would kill off all non-furries.

It's annoying and childish. And role playing is not allowed on FAF.

1.) I would be pissed about the first one as well. However, those are two people. That's not worth even contemplating. It would be like me saying, "Oh, conservative Christians are predisposed to violence, because this one guy killed an abortion doctor." Show me a trend and I may be more swayed.

2.) Again, your impressions are of minimal importance to me. Also, I suggest you are given a title before ordering people around.
 

Conker

Destroyer of Nazi Teddy Bears
Skimmed the last couple of pages. This got silly.

As to the poll, people make what they want to out of the fandom. I think it SHOULD be a hobby because taking your hobbies and making them lifestyles is daft and obsession is unhealthy, but some people have done so as indicated by the thread and poll.

I don't even really treat it as a hobby; I just find this forum entertaining.
 

benignBiotic

Banned
Banned
This is an ooooold thread.

I am a furry hobbyist. It's a big hobby, like most of my interests revolve around it, but it's still just a hobby. If you took furry out of my life I'd still have a lot going on.

Teal said:
We usually get a thread of that type one a week or so.
Yeah we do -_-
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
2.) Again, your impressions are of minimal importance to me. Also, I suggest you are given a title before ordering people around.


Until the caffeinated and twichy Death knight comes in and threatens to give your account a beheading with the [Blackblade, Account Executioner]. Raptros already asked you to stop, and if you refuse to adhere to his request, you will go onto the chopping block.


Even if a user denotes the rules to you, 98.9999999999% they are correct. If you are unsure of them, either read the rules or ask a mod for a second opinion. Reading the rules gets you more points.
 
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Kantress

Member
Until the caffeinated and twichy Death knight comes in and threatens to give your account a beheading with the [Blackblade, Account Executioner]. Raptros already asked you to stop, and if you refuse to adhere to his request, you will go onto the chopping block.


Even if a user denotes the rules to you, 98.9999999999% they are correct. If you are unsure of them, either read the rules or ask a mod for a second opinion. Reading the rules gets you more points.

Not sure why this is being told to me. I ceased the offending behavior immediately upon Raptros's command. Also, I have read the rules, and I remember there being a ban on backseat modding. I also see no prohibition against what is in this post of mine right now.

Anyway, it's clear to me this thread has outlived its usefulness. If someone got something out of my observations and commentary, great. If not, well, it's unfortunate. Having endless and pointless debates with those hostile to me is a luxury I cannot afford right now. It's also unfortunate you would not give more of your thoughts on the topic of Therianism and their relations with furrydom, but your antipathy towards me was made clear before I even opened my muzzle, so it was not a surprise. I will research that more on my own after chores are done.

If I see any posts that impress me I may chime in again, but for now this will be my last reply on this thread. Also, I see someone sigged my quote. Yay, more name recognition!
 

benignBiotic

Banned
Banned
Not sure why this is being told to me. I ceased the offending behavior immediately upon Raptros's command. Also, I have read the rules, and I remember there being a ban on backseat modding. I also see no prohibition against what is in this post of mine right now.
There is a difference between making someone aware that roleplay is not allowed on FAF and 'backseat modding.'

Kantress said:
Also, I see someone sigged my quote. Yay, more name recognition!
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Calemeyr

Vere Adeptus
Furry cannot be a lifestyle for me because I already have a lifestyle of physics textbooks and GREs that gets in the way.
 

horndawg

PAY ATTENTION TO ME.
I see there's no option for "It's just a sex thing/I like to learn about furries to further understand my psychosexuality."
 

Mr. Sparta

Scale Face
Anyone who builds their life around a fandom is a complete loser. Unless Furry is a religion...
 

Attaman

"Welcome to FurAffinity Forums, gentlemen."
I could be described as a 'furry supremacist', actually.
Protip: If you can ever describe your involvement in a fandom as "supremacist", you need to take a break from that fandom as your interest is dangerously high.

Furrydom is more than a collection of people who like anthros and animals.
No, it really isn't.

It is relaxed and tolerant and creative
No, it is not, and let me show the ways~

Furry is not relaxed. Look at the drama that will spark if someone disagrees with a favored artist. Or if a person agrees to speak on a television show / documentary / whatever about the fandom. Look at the outright vilification some websites and users have received that should not exist in a community that is exceptionally relaxed and leisurely about things. If the fandom were relaxed it would not have the belief that it is unjustly persecuted (let alone when the fandom is treated nigh-infinitely better than those such as D&D, Rock n' Roll, Comics, and so-on were at their peak of distrust) with people being outright paranoid about speaking with non-fandom members.

Furry is not tolerant. If you are trying to toot your horn about how you are so totally more tolerant than other people, you are already showing some worrying signs. Combine this with "furry supremacist", the proportion of furries who cannot properly trust or socialize with someone who is not of the fandom (which, it should be noted, is much higher in the lifestyler demographic than the hobbyist demographic), the vitriol that will be spat towards Furries who are seen as "betraying" the fandom (which in some cases is merely going so far as to not blatantly lie to a non-fandom member or turning someone in for illegal activity because they find the law more important than fandom politics), calling the fandom especially tolerant is a hilarious example of whitewashing and / or disconnection from reality.

The fandom is not, in the way you're attempting to portray it (as in especially / to a degree higher than other communities) creative. The Furry fandom does offer a fairly great variety of art, yes. But so too does the Star Wars fandom. And the One-Punch Man fandom. And the Megaman fandom. And...

People create art. It is, simply, a fact of life. And if you are going to stay on an artistic website, you are going to see more art than if you don't. Nothing I have seen points in any way towards Furry artists (as there is a vast swathe of FA, Inkbunny, SF, and so-on who have accounts only for viewing purposes, not creation) being more or less creative than other fandoms (or even fandom-disassociated) artists. To claim them as exceptionally artistic is another attempt to basically tout the fandom's horn at best and at worst shows another disconnection from reality and obsessive interest in the fandom.

It IS pretty much an LGBT culture.
If you mean this insofar as tolerating them, then yes. The fandom does have a relatively high proportion of people who fall in the LGBT demographic, and since very few people (fandom or not) hate themselves it tends to work favorably for the fandom not looking down negatively on other LGBT.

If you mean this insofar as equating one's "Furriness" as comparable to things like sexual orientation, reassignment, and so-on? You are insane, no less so to me than if you tried to equate being a fan of Tomb Raider with being a way of life.

It's better than average society.
Average society keeps people fed and also has to deal with the politics involved keeping nearly seven billion people alive, with resources to use, etcetera. You cannot properly equate a fandom with society because they are two entirely different things, the first of which is entirely reliant on a pre-existing second.

Furrydom is, in generally, superior to at least Southern American society morally, intellectually, and aesthetically.
Your tolerance is showing. :V

I far more readily identify with the furry subculture than average people and society.
You may want to seek mental help if you find yourself able to empathize only with those who directly share the same interests with you. Like, a lot of it.

However, I never felt comfortable trying to befriend people not in this or another subculture I'm a part of (it would simply distract people if I mentioned that one).
Yes, you definitely want to seek mental help, or at least step away from the computer and purposefully isolate yourself from the fandom and attempt to get some basic social interaction under your belt.

2.) It actually IS a life-altering decision/discovery for people.
And that is because those people tend to be a few bats short a belfry. The fandom has zero philosophical or life-impacting qualities to it outside - very arguably - a greater fascination with animals and / or slight leans of transhumanism. The first of which shouldn't change one's life that heavily and the second of which means you're looking at a transhuman lifestyle instead of Furry.

It certainly was for me when I was 17. Hell, some, especially cubs, have had to fret over being identified as a furry because their parents
May I ask just what you're smoking / drinking / consuming that you think parents are going about assigning "FURRY!" labels to their children, let alone that many non-fandom parents even know (or care) what furry is? Also, children. The term you're looking for is children, not cub.

are either misinformed or philosophically retarded (that's gotten a lot better now since the hysteria about LGBT people is dying out).
Do I even want to know what LGBT hysteria you think magically applies to the Furry fandom?

Who are you to tell me my discovery of the fandom was any less significant than a homo/bisexual or transgendered person's discovery of forces that are pro-LGBT?
The fact that your fandom is simply a fandom?

Seriously, it is outright insulting to equate someone's participation in the Furry fandom - even if to the degree of a lifestyler - with that of what someone has to go through with LGBT. Let alone if one tries to compare "outspoken Furry enthusiast" with "outright LGBT supporter" (especially considering just what kind of mud the latter was dragged through over the last few decades).

and a hatred of inferior societies,
Tolerance!

but my behaviors and mannerisms and appearance are benign.
"Hatred of inferior societies", "furry supremacist", "I never felt comfortable trying to befriend people not in this subculture", your behaviors and mannerisms are as benign as a rusty nail in one's foot.
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
People are still replying to posts Kantress made nearly a week, or even longer ago? Do you not think that someone else already replied in exhaustive detail?

This is futile; the only person who will actually read your post through is yourself.
 

Ozriel

Inglorious Bastard
People are still replying to posts Kantress made nearly a week, or even longer ago? Do you not think that someone else already replied in exhaustive detail?

This is futile; the only person who will actually read your post through is yourself.

Indeed, but as long as the topic is still open, people can reply to whatever comments as they wish.
 

Iryno

Member
On the original topic... I got really interested in the fandom earlier this year and wondered where I fit on this spectrum. When I was younger it was more of a roleplay/porn thing, and now ten years later I feel very different about the "real-life" aspect of it. I think it's very interesting going on FA and reading more about the artists/musicians/comics/fursuiters that I've seen and learning about what they do for a living in the "Really-Real," the groups they identify with, their hobbies and interests other than furry, etc.

I think the whole FIAWOL v. FIJAGDH thing is stupid and most furs are somewhere in the middle. I haven't been to a con yet, but I would imagine that sharing your interests and hobbies with other people will probably change your life in some way by making new friends, having new experiences, and so on. Because that's how life works. People who take it to extremes and who would die to have their furry side brought into criticism one way or another are clearly mentally perturbed and just fucking nuts. For me it's easiest to say, "It's just what I like."
 

PsychicOtter

Otter Missionary
For me it isn't (and never will be) anything more than a simple hobby. But if it means a little more than that to somebody, it makes no difference to me. As long as it's not taking over someone's life, I don't see why I should care.
 
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