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Filter Revision Proposal - The /AH/ Autofilter

Dragoneer

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I'm proposing a new form of filtering and want your information and feedback as to what your opinions are. This is not set in stone, and is just a proposal, so feel free to tear it down, propose something better, etc.

/AH/ Filtration
By default, FA will automatically filter out what we rank as "highly objectional" material and make it blocked by standard, that way we automatically spare the vast majority from what may rank as hardcore freaky-freaky.

People who would want to view this material would have to flag it on manually in order to view the images.

I do not have a list as to what would rank in the above auto-defaulted material as we have not taken that route yet. This is just to gauge you feel about the implementation of the above filtering.
 

Hanazawa

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I think being required to op in to see these images is much better than having to op out - I support this kind of filtering.

Would there be sub-filtration, though? (just because someone wants to see ONE thing in the /ah/ category doesn't mean they want to see all of it, etc)
 

Dragoneer

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Hanazawa said:
I think being required to op in to see these images is much better than having to op out - I support this kind of filtering.

Would there be sub-filtration, though? (just because someone wants to see ONE thing in the /ah/ category doesn't mean they want to see all of it, etc)
No. The basic rational is that truly hardcore/OH GOD MY EYES! art would be filtered on default. More precise filters would be added and implemented for those items which are not yet covered. This would be implemented into Ferrox, which is still in development.

This would not be a draconian system where we filter anything and everything based on a few people being offended by it. FA is not run like America*, and we're not gonna censor/banz0r everything simple because a few people don't like it.

* You have full right to disagree with me on how America is run, but I don't believe in censoring something because a small majority disagree with it.
 

Dragoneer

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Note:
If any of you disagree with me being laid back about how I discuss things please note that I do take this issue seriously, but I am not a politician and do not I enjoy butt kissing. I enjoy handling things on a direct heads-on approach and take no pleasure in watering down my delievery. =P

We're trying to come up with the best plan to handle everybody's concerns. Voice yer opinions (respectfully) and know that you ARE being heard.
 

Growly

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I like this idea, if I am understanding it correctly.

We CAN choose to see certain themed /AH/ pics, correct?
For example, I could filter out see cockvore, but I could see beast art, if I wanted. Is that right?

It's kind of like what we already have though... Maybe I'm not getting this. ^_^;
 

Dragoneer

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Growly said:
I like this idea, if I am understanding it correctly.

We CAN choose to see certain themed /AH/ pics, correct?
For example, I could filter out see cockvore, but I could see beast art, if I wanted. Is that right?

It's kind of like what we already have though... Maybe I'm not getting this. ^_^;
Basically they would be blocked by default, and you would have to "opt in" to see them. This may frazzle a few artists, but... I think it's for the better long term. This would be retro-active for all accounts as well.

People will have varying degrees as to what we consider extreme, but we will do our best to compromise with the tastes of the majority.
 
So basically it'd be like this then?

User A likes Fetish 1, but not Fetish 2. Both are considered /AH/. User A opts out of the /AH/ filter and now sees both Fetish 1 and Fetish 2 without the ability to opt out of the one he does not prefer.

Is that right? I like the idea, however I think it should have (like Hanazawa said) subfilters you can turn back on if need be.
 

Dragoneer

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ArrowTibbs said:
So basically it'd be like this then?

User A likes Fetish 1, but not Fetish 2. Both are considered /AH/. User A opts out of the /AH/ filter and now sees both Fetish 1 and Fetish 2 without the ability to opt out of the one he does not prefer.

Is that right? I like the idea, however I think it should have (like Hanazawa said) subfilters you can turn back on if need be.
Essentially, it would be a series of different filters all labelled under "extreme". Users can select which of them they want to turn off, so they can pick and choose which what they want to see.

Simply put, The /AH/ filters are a category which different filters fall under. Any filter that falls under the /AH/ category is defaulted to block the content unless people turn it on.
 
Dragoneer said:
/AH/ Filtration
By default, FA will automatically filter out what we rank as "highly objectional" material and make it blocked by standard, that way we automatically spare the vast majority from what may rank as hardcore freaky-freaky.

People who would want to view this material would have to flag it on manually in order to view the images.

I like the idea, but whether or not it works is dependent on the artists properly labeling their work. Also, "Highly Objectional" can be subjective too. Where does one draw the line at "Highly Objectional"? Hyper-herms? Watersports? Scat? And as mentioned before, should certain "Highly Objectional" subjects, such as under-age porn, not be allowed at all? (although, that's a bit off-topic for this thread).

I cast my vote for a 'tentative Yes'. I'd much rather have highly objectionable art automatically filtered out, but 1) I have some doubts as to whether or not artists will remember to properly label their pictures and 2) If you implement that filter, you will then need to decide what is "Highly Objectionable" and where to draw the line.
 

Arshes Nei

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Well if you have gallery moderators and people reporting mislabeled submission it will help. You might want to enact certain penalties for those who feel they're above labeling such stuff (not to be confused with people doing it accidentally).
 

Alchera

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You already know mine as well, as stated on the other thread.
 
Arshes Nei said:
Well if you have gallery moderators and people reporting mislabeled submission it will help. You might want to enact certain penalties for those who feel they're above labeling such stuff (not to be confused with people doing it accidentally).

Definately and "Agreed!"
The mods and admin will really have to be on top of this one and catch mis-labeled art quickly, or else there will be no point in having the filter.
And yes... penalties for those will-fully mislabeling (although proving that can be hard.)
 

shinmew

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I think it is a great idea. I'd rather people be able to see or post art they like in an filter then not be able to at all. No matter how painful it is to some others. That way the don't have to see it and the ones that do.... can. It can make both parties happy.
 
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Ahkahna

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My opinion has been stated as an overwhelming and fixed, "No filter, Ban the pedo."

I'm about 5 seconds away from leaving FA so I'm not supporting pedo rubbish. It's no different than drawing made up human children in adult situations, and some of the crap I found today was absolutely enraging. If it's not banned, my respect for this entire site and those who agree with keeping it up will be completely lost.

Filtering "cub porn" is like sweeping your dirty secrets under a rug.

I don't want to be one of those people who get's caught up in it.
 

Arshes Nei

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Ahkahna said:
My opinion has been stated as an overwhelming and fixed, "No filter, Ban the pedo."

I'm about 5 seconds away from leaving FA so I'm not supporting pedo rubbish. It's no different than drawing made up human children in adult situations, and some of the crap I found today was absolutely enraging. If it's not banned, my respect for this entire site and those who agree with keeping it up will be completely lost.

Filtering "cub porn" is like sweeping your dirty secrets under a rug.

I don't want to be one of those people who get's caught up in it.

You are free to leave then. I understand people upset over the issue, but the "I'm gonna leave" is kinda...playing the child's game of bluffing.
 
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Ahkahna

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Arshes Nei said:
Ahkahna said:
My opinion has been stated as an overwhelming and fixed, "No filter, Ban the pedo."

I'm about 5 seconds away from leaving FA so I'm not supporting pedo rubbish. It's no different than drawing made up human children in adult situations, and some of the crap I found today was absolutely enraging. If it's not banned, my respect for this entire site and those who agree with keeping it up will be completely lost.

Filtering "cub porn" is like sweeping your dirty secrets under a rug.

I don't want to be one of those people who get's caught up in it.

You are free to leave then. I understand people upset over the issue, but the "I'm gonna leave" is kinda...playing the child's game of bluffing.

Oh?
Well ok then.

Bye bye to babyfuckers then :) Because in cases like pedophelia, I DONT BLUFF WITH THAT SICK SHIT.
 
Ahkahna said:
Oh?
Well ok then.

Bye bye to babyfuckers then :) Because in cases like pedophelia, I DONT BLUFF WITH THAT SICK SHIT.


You know, you don't have to leave just yet. We're still in the process of discussing it. I'm all for banning pedo-art too, but people are still inputting their thoughts and votes.
In fact, I was just in a discussion with someone here on FA who didn't think that "lots" of artists were mad about the pedo-art. He basically accused me of over-reacting. Which means many people haven't cast their votes publically or let their voices be heard publically yet (although plenty have been yelling behind locked doors). If everyone speaks up in a polite, mature and diplomatic way (and doesn't just up and leave), perhaps changes will be done. If not, THEN it's time to go. Til then, leaving is pre-mature.
 
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Ahkahna

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XianJaguar said:
Ahkahna said:
Oh?
Well ok then.

Bye bye to babyfuckers then :) Because in cases like pedophelia, I DONT BLUFF WITH THAT SICK SHIT.


You know, you don't have to leave just yet. We're still in the process of discussing it. I'm all for banning pedo-art too, but people are still inputting their thoughts and votes.
In fact, I was just in a discussion with someone here on FA who didn't think that "lots" of artists were mad about the pedo-art. He basically accused me of over-reacting. Which means many people haven't cast their votes publically or let their voices be heard publically yet (although plenty have been yelling behind locked doors). If everyone speaks up in a polite, mature and diplomatic way (and doesn't just up and leave), perhaps changes will be done. If not, THEN it's time to go. Til then, leaving is pre-mature.

The fact that It was allowed in the first place doesn't suit me. I have a website I can use and feel comfortable with. If something changes in the future and it's banned, because god knows when it will, then I'll be more than happy to come back. Until then, I'm gone. I don't want to be associated with that kind of filth.
 

Arshes Nei

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Well the person said five seconds Xian, so it's obvious to me they don't want to be thoughtful over the matter. It was a take it or leave it situation. I really don't think that kind of tactics or behavior was necessary but what can I do ;)

Like I said, I don't particularly like seeing that kind of material on the site, but there is really good and hard look at the slippery slope argument of when is it going to end? Vore, and rape aren't always acts between "consenting" adults. What about people who were victims of rape that find this kind of material hitting too close to home for example?

But that is off topic.


Back on topic. I do want to mention, I do like the idea of filters but tags don't work, search has been disabled, so how much confidence can one have to see the idea actually be implemented. I mean it's great when I see a post offering a solution, but if things aren't going to get implemented what's the point?
 

nobuyuki

Member
thread derailing in 3...2...1...

Here we go again with people trying to impose their silly sense of morality where there is no legal precedent on it. I said it was highly ironic on the other thread because it's just as silly as people calling furries "animal fxckers" or what have you as it is for the whiners to be saying that people who draw young looking characters are pedophiles. This is not only insulting, but has derailed one thread and is well on its way to derailing another. So, instead of continuing to entertain a retarded debate, I will hereby toss my ON TOPIC opinion on the original issue into the ring:

What qualifies an image as being auto filtered? Is it a voluntary thing we do, or is it something the moderators do whenever they see something that bugs them? Will it show on a gallery page how many images are being hidden from view? Will it be easy to temporarily opt-in for a session? These questions are all important, because certain artists (like myself) may wish to put our works into objectionable material every single time rather than having to hear people whine about its content. And even then, that doesn't guarantee someone won't voluntarily expose themselves to that content and WHINE ANYWAY. (See some of my submissions that have been deleted, for example.)

My two cents
 

Lyenuv

Balls
While I'm for banning the pedo shit completely, a filter would largely subdue a lot of the "noise" around the site, at least for awhile. But like Arshes said above, with a majority of features not even working at present, there's not much hope for us that the filters are going to even work.

Just my two cents.
 

Wyrwulf

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My only concern is that it is made clear, especially to new users, that there is content being autofiltered and that they will have to switch off the filters to see everything available.
 
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