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Filter Revision Proposal - The /AH/ Autofilter

InvaderPichu

this is my raep face
VermyFox said:
If those have to go to get rid of cub work. Then that is the price to pay. What is the worst to happen? 4-Chan gets 10000 more hits, and FA gets a better image while keeping Porn and R-rated furry art.

FA is a site that openly welcomes furry porn. It will NEVER have a better image. The rest of the world will still look at us as evil animal rapists.
 

VermyFox

New Member
InvaderPichu said:
VermyFox said:
If those have to go to get rid of cub work. Then that is the price to pay. What is the worst to happen? 4-Chan gets 10000 more hits, and FA gets a better image while keeping Porn and R-rated furry art.

FA is a site that openly welcomes furry porn. It will NEVER have a better image. The rest of the world will still look at us as evil animal rapists.

Openly welcomes, and could use a limit on No Child Porn. Art or not. Right now, it has a fairly good image, but for how long? When FA started, I don't recall much cub-porn at all. Now it is getting a daily basis and more I am sure will come. It has an okay image, but could be better. There are sites others are working on which allow porn, but have enough sense to say enough is enough to some things.

You personally feeling it is peachy to have Cubbi Gummi getting raped while licking off spoo, doesn't mean it is in the best interest of the site or the image of FA. Sure we show furry porn. However, it it can be either "Omg! Foxwomen with eight tits humping a horse!", or "Omfg! child porn, and they're humping a horse!". Penthouse, Playboy, Foxx, and hell even Milky Maidens (IRL pregger pron mag *whistles nonchalantly*) have porn though are smart enough to know there should be a line.

The issue needs to remain: Child porn: Will FA welcome some forms of it?
 
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Ahkahna

Guest
InvaderPichu said:
VermyFox said:
If those have to go to get rid of cub work. Then that is the price to pay. What is the worst to happen? 4-Chan gets 10000 more hits, and FA gets a better image while keeping Porn and R-rated furry art.

FA is a site that openly welcomes furry porn. It will NEVER have a better image. The rest of the world will still look at us as evil animal rapists.

And allowing "cub porn" makes it ANY better for the fandoms image?

LOL OMG
that's really too funny.
 

ShadowCub

New Member
PervDragon said:
Before this derails any further into a discussion of the acceptability of cub pornography, I would like to quote sections of our current federal law (the "PROTECT" act of 2003) relating to the topic:

Except that you left out the definitions section of the act which makes it clear that the images in question are those which depict, or can reasonably be believed to depict, an actual minor. Granted, it is not a defense that the minor in question doesn't actually exist, but the depiction MUST be of a minor. "Minor" is defined in many locations thoughout Federal Law as a human being of less than 18 years of age. It is unlikely that this law could be used to prosecute even obcene depictions of underage, antropomorphic cars, trees, dogs, etc.

You also left out that this law mirrors a similar law passed in 1998. That previous law has already been declared uncostitutional by the US Supreme Court. The replacement law is also making it's way through the courts and is currently enjoined from being enforced.

If you don't like cub porn, that's fine. If you don't want it allowed on FA at all, that's your right. But don't try and say that a law about images of humans will mean that allowing a picture of the looney toon babies having an orgy will get everyone sent to jail. That's like saying that since Osama Bin Ladin is Islamic, and people in Iraq follow Islam, so we have to invade Iraq to prevent a repeat of 9/11.....
 

VermyFox

New Member
VermyFox said:
Ahkahna said:
InvaderPichu said:
VermyFox said:
If those have to go to get rid of cub work. Then that is the price to pay. What is the worst to happen? 4-Chan gets 10000 more hits, and FA gets a better image while keeping Porn and R-rated furry art.

FA is a site that openly welcomes furry porn. It will NEVER have a better image. The rest of the world will still look at us as evil animal rapists.

And allowing "cub porn" makes it ANY better for the fandoms image?

LOL OMG
that's really too funny.

edited due to misread!!! Daaaaaarn you Jack Daniels! XD
 

InvaderPichu

this is my raep face
Ahkahna said:
InvaderPichu said:
VermyFox said:
If those have to go to get rid of cub work. Then that is the price to pay. What is the worst to happen? 4-Chan gets 10000 more hits, and FA gets a better image while keeping Porn and R-rated furry art.

FA is a site that openly welcomes furry porn. It will NEVER have a better image. The rest of the world will still look at us as evil animal rapists.

And allowing "cub porn" makes it ANY better for the fandoms image?

LOL OMG
that's really too funny.

Where did I say it would make the image look any better? Where? Tell me, and I'll give you a dollar.

Besides, who fucking cares about an image that won't change no matter what the furries do. It's the goddamn internet. Christ.

P.S. No VermyFox, CP should not be allowed. But we're not talking about CP. We're talking about artwork.
 

PervDragon

New Member
IceDragonVisy said:
Arshes has already shown that VIRTUAL (key word) porn of kiddies is allowed, and by virtual this means not actual photos but something else, ie drawings.

Actually, you seem to have misinterpreted things. Kiddie porn of any form, virtual or otherwise, is illegal in the USA. Please see my post on the second page.

The links Arshes Nei provided point to a decision made by the Supreme Court on an older law, in 2002. The current law which bans all forms of kiddie porn was approved in 2003.

It's possible the SC will end up striking down those provisions of the current law at some time in the future, but that's then. This is now. As of now, it's illegal.

The only thing providing any bit of safety to FA is that the minors depicted are not human. But even that's iffy, and I have a feeling the reason FA hasn't been contacted about it yet is simply a case of the feds not knowing / not caring. But lack of policing does not imply approval.

FA is walking a thin legal line, and I'd rather they ban it and err on the side of caution. Otherwise, their luck will run out some day.
 

VermyFox

New Member
Though personally, I feel that depictions are borderline material on a hot issue in the media and law. Since they are image depitcions of a highly heinous act of such a nature, type of material commonly possessed and used by those practicing (like decorative water pipes and cigarrette holders), and a civil liability, I really wish FA chooses against it.

The admins have the final say so, and while I know a few are okay as long as it is filtered, I personally feel that FA would be better off erring on the side of caution in this issue or any other which could cause severe problems down the road. Like with the Arcturis issue, I'm not the most for the side they took and they left themselves open for possible problems, but the admins got the final say so of what risk they are willing to take. Me, I can handle the risk for gain of improved site security. On cub depictions, I'm leaning towards going back to DA or Sheezy.
 

PervDragon

New Member
ShadowCub said:
Except that...

All your points are true.

The law I quoted does not apply directly to furry porn. I mentioned this.

The only defense cub-porn has is that it's not a human being depicted. But the issue I wanted to raise was - how good is this defense? Is FA willing to risk legal troubles based on the definition of a single word (minor)?

Even if the current law is eventually struck down as the similar law was before, FA could be called on it /before/ that happens. And no sane furry wants to spend the money to fight such lawsuits, not to mention giving the fur fandom even more negative publicity (Sweet, let's get in the news for trying to save kiddie porn! [at least, that's how the public will see it]).

Truthfully, I think FA will keep allowing cub porn until threatened by some kind of lawsuit. After that, it'll simply get banned and removed.

I think the best move is to adopt filtering, and retroactively tag anything that could be considered cub porn. That way, when the banning inevitably comes, all the offending material can be removed in 5 minutes.
 

UnicornSpirit

New Member
woa..... lookit all that big wad' o' drama :O

anyways.... I liked what Arshes Nei quoted:

"The Supreme Court settled this issue -- if the image is not of an actual person under age 18, it cannot be criminalized as kiddie porn," said Jon Katz, a First Amendment lawyer based in Maryland.

Yah, I'll just go on & agree with that.

*It's just ART, folks....... Jesus. xD
 
oh geez...*shakes head despairingly* you guys are wasting your time with all this arguing about what fa should and should not allow. the admins have already made up there minds a long time ago so stop with this stupid debate. also stop derailing this thread please. it's supposed to be about whether you do or don't support the idea of a new filter being set-up, not whether cub porn should be allowed.

and to that end i myself don't support this filter idea. it seems like a waste of time and energy. think of all the extra work you will have to do to make it work right. not to mention the fact that the current sytem works fine. it's just that some people are too lazy to change their filter settings in there control panel or to high and mighty to just ignore what they don't like.
 
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Ahkahna

Guest
blackdragoon said:
it's just that some people are too lazy to change their filter settings in there control panel or to high and mighty to just ignore what they don't like.

I am far from high and mighty. I have an 8 year old and 2 year old nephews, so seeing or hearing ANYONE tell me that this cub porn shit should just be ignored because I "Don't Like It" is fucking retarded. I AM A CONCERNED INDIVIDUAL.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
Bravo said:
Ok I don't even understand why this is an issue.

This isn't CubAffinity. This isn't PoopAffinity. This isn't even VoreAffinity.

*FUR*Affinity.

I don't think this is GayAffinity, or HermAffinity either, but hey, some people think those are people who are outright freaks. I don't know when people will stop drawing the line.

Ok, you gave a valid point. So why are you fighting for them? All that suggests is that this action is silently supported by FA.

Making a filter is only going to place a small hurdle that anyone can easily get over to get what they want. Must be over 21 to enter? Click to enter? DUHHH. *click*

Because I'm tired of knee jerk rhetoric that people give that if you draw something that you're automatically what you draw. I also made the legal ramifications of the fact that users have commercially licensed characters from kids shows known in pornographic, and I could just turn them over and watch FA shutdown really fast. However, knee jerk responses don't help out overall.

I'm also aware it's a sensitive issue, but I remember back when people equated homosexuality to pedophilia, anime to pedophilia and here we're talking about fantasy. I'm not for it and I have my other reasons, but I'm not going to automatically equate people who draw it as pedophiles. It's just as wrong as what other people equate furries to. The fun part is, I'm not a furry, or otaku just an artist. I'm trying to look at it from both sides.
 

Damaratus

Care to join me in my lab?
Ahkahna said:
I am far from high and mighty. I have an 8 year old and 2 year old nephews, so seeing or hearing ANYONE tell me that this cub porn shit should just be ignored because I "Don't Like It" is fucking retarded. I AM A CONCERNED INDIVIDUAL.

And if you don't watch your "mouth" you will find yourself in time out very quickly. Keep is civil, or leave like you already said you would.
 

Olin

New Member
Agh. I'll say this.

Ban what is illegal.
Make filters for that which is out of the "norm."
Make sure people use these filters properly.
Maybe limit the amount of off-topic material being uploaded.

Very simple. No "omg I hate fa bye guyz"

Stop being so hostile about the issue. This is the internet and all of this is simply artwork. Just because an action isn't being done RIGHT NOW doesn't mean it's the end of the world. Be thankful that the site is what it is and that they're working to improve it. I don't browse these forums all the time, but seeing people do ridiculous things like leaving/deleting all of their artwork made me have to say something.

And yes, the /AH/ filter is a great idea.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
VermyFox said:
Also, please let me know when you wish to answer my question about Dateline doing a "To catch a furry!" episode. Then let me know when they do a sting on pedos. Which will we see first? Hmm... Oh wait, let me answer that one. Most folks in law enforcement in media don't give a flip on bestiality and the pedo one is on this week. Which one do you honestly think is considered a bigger issue here?

Because your question is based on assumptions of ridiculousness. Just because there hasn't been some Dateline show on the abuse of animals doesn't mean there couldn't be. A ratings grab doesn't always equate to the actual feeling or well being of children.

In fact, it wasn't until Perverted Justice involvement were they doing it the right way to get rid of actual predators. It was the equivalent of Jerry Springer. Their "interviews" to get the other side is a farce, and just for sensationalism.
 

Kilroy

Mischief Maker!
I am honestly surprised that this is even being discussed. Also surprised to hear it was banned, but now not so much? What happened?
 

Growly

Member
Olin said:
Agh. I'll say this.

Ban what is illegal.
Make filters for that which is out of the "norm."
Make sure people use these filters properly.
Maybe limit the amount of off-topic material being uploaded.

Very simple. No "omg I hate fa bye guyz"

Stop being so hostile about the issue. This is the internet and all of this is simply artwork. Just because an action isn't being done RIGHT NOW doesn't mean it's the end of the world. Be thankful that the site is what it is and that they're working to improve it. I don't browse these forums all the time, but seeing people do ridiculous things like leaving/deleting all of their artwork made me have to say something.

And yes, the /AH/ filter is a great idea.

Agreed.
 
Arshes Nei said:
I don't think this is GayAffinity, or HermAffinity either, but hey, some people think those are people who are outright freaks. I don't know when people will stop drawing the line.

Being gay or a hermaphrodite in real life isn't illegal, however.

I understand that the law does not apply to furry porn. However, the fact remains that some art depicts pedophelia. It should not matter exactly what the characters involved are, but the act depicted should.

So, should I think that the pedo art should be banned on FA? To be fair, it's a complicated situation with a lot of gray area.

On one hand, FA had its beginnings in being a place that accepted anything. That's part of it's allure, and why more furs are on here than on, say, dA. Supporters of this side would say that if everything else is allowed, why should pedo art be banned?

However, I believe we should draw the line at legality. Are you of age? Have all the wild, kinky sex you want. Are you a little kid? Then that's just wrong.

Of course, this line of thought would eventually lead to the issue of consent between adults, and we'll be feverishly typing for hours. I'm just not going to go there.

Now, to the actual topic of the thread :p  I think that a blanket autofilter is a good idea, but it has the possibility of it being implemented badly. I think the best course of action would be subgroups. Everything that would be covered under the Autofilter wouldn't be labeled as simply "highly objectionable", but would be put into groups that would be taken as highly objectionable. That way, all of that stuff will be disabled for first-time users, but they would be able to unblock material of the certain categories that they would want to see. For example, they could check the box that corresponds to "see this type of freaky stuff".

/Just throwing in my 2 cents.
 
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Ahkahna

Guest
Damaratus said:
Ahkahna said:
I am far from high and mighty. I have an 8 year old and 2 year old nephews, so seeing or hearing ANYONE tell me that this cub porn shit should just be ignored because I "Don't Like It" is fucking retarded. I AM A CONCERNED INDIVIDUAL.

And if you don't watch your "mouth" you will find yourself in time out very quickly. Keep is civil, or leave like you already said you would.

Oh trust me, I've cleaned out my FA page and all of my work. And as far as I am aware, so have a number of other people as well.

I'm just being proactive in stating my distaste for something that should clearly be obliterated from the site. But no matter, I'm not the problem you should be concerned about ;)
 

RainbowEyes

Banned
Banned
HEY! Shut the fuck up about it.

I'm for cub work, but unlike you retards who mistake fantasy for reality, not to mention fictional RACES/SPECIES! I have a grip on reality

I have a 3 year old brother. "U LIEK CUB P0RN! UR GUNNA R@PE HIM LOLZ!!11" -.- Stupid people...

Having children is no excuse to be an asshole, same goes for relatives.

http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=4108

Take your bullshit there and let this topic get back on track.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Cubcentral and several other sites had that kind of filter so you could view various fetishes or even settings (Male with male, male single, etc). It had a default block on all adult work as per usual as well as the naughties. They also had an agreement that you clicked agreeing that you understood about the more filthy and gross stuff.

Before you freak out about cubs again, I'm using it as a fucking reference, twits.

Dang, I've cursed 89 times in the past hour.
 

InvaderPichu

this is my raep face
Ahkahna said:
Oh trust me, I've cleaned out my FA page and all of my work. And as far as I am aware, so have a number of other people as well.

I'm just being proactive in stating my distaste for something that should clearly be obliterated from the site. But no matter, I'm not the problem you should be concerned about ;)

Hurry up and get off this damn site and pay attention to the larvae you say you "care" about, then.
 
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