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Filter Revision Proposal - The /AH/ Autofilter

Issarlk

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Paul_Lucas said:
So basically this makes FA an official porn site instead of an art community? You'd best put up warning on the home page then.

Furaffinity should have been named something else ; a name that gives a better clue of what's inside and it's purpose (rescue site for Sheezyart porn artists). A name that tells the visitor "there's perverted art in there! Be careful!"

I think " DeviantArt " would be good ; but it's already taken :p
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
That was something I was also confused about was the fact the line was being carried around "They're not enforcing their TOS" without any links to support the argument. I really disliked that. It became a rallying cry much like when someone makes a statement, and the media only takes a soundbyte to display it as truth. It's kinda like taking the word "illegal" out when you talk about immigration.

As stated many times, it seems the biggest stink was when people did art of commercial characters because of the point of reference aspect. I know this is a copyright issue and separate but this is where I saw the most anger and frustration from. This was at least points I knew from watching the harassment forums before this buildup.

Through this time not anyone was able to give me a good definition for the TOS as to what was cub porn. They just yelled "This is gross" and ran away or held rallies or other crap that was just as morally reprehensible as the issue they were comparing it to.

What I see as "Cub porn" grosses me out, and again it's fantasy versus reality. What was cub porn to one person wasn't so to another.
 

GranDragon

New Member
Dragoneer said:
I'm proposing a new form of filtering and want your information and feedback as to what your opinions are. This is not set in stone, and is just a proposal, so feel free to tear it down, propose something better, etc.

/AH/ Filtration
By default, FA will automatically filter out what we rank as "highly objectional" material and make it blocked by standard, that way we automatically spare the vast majority from what may rank as hardcore freaky-freaky.

People who would want to view this material would have to flag it on manually in order to view the images.

I do not have a list as to what would rank in the above auto-defaulted material as we have not taken that route yet. This is just to gauge you feel about the implementation of the above filtering.

I not agree... In my opinion is better ban these kind of "art".
 

Dragoneer

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Site Director
Administrator
Issarlk said:
Furaffinity should have been named something else ; a name that gives a better clue of what's inside and it's purpose (rescue site for Sheezyart porn artists). A name that tells the visitor "there's perverted art in there! Be careful!"
I think the "Fur" in "Fur Affinity" is a clear and present disclaimer to the rest of the internet as to what lurks on the site.
 

Mendes

New Member
Wait, has there been a decision made on this yet? Everyone's talking like there has, but I haven't seen it anywhere.

When there is a decision about this issue, will it be posted in an admin notice on the site?
 
Dragoneer said:
Issarlk said:
Furaffinity should have been named something else ; a name that gives a better clue of what's inside and it's purpose (rescue site for Sheezyart porn artists). A name that tells the visitor "there's perverted art in there! Be careful!"
I think the "Fur" in "Fur Affinity" is a clear and present disclaimer to the rest of the internet as to what lurks on the site.
Ummm, no... not really. Not for anyone (like me when I joined) who really doesn't know about Fur or Furry or Anthro art as a genre as opposed to a classification of character.
 

timbatig

New Member
All art should be filtered at first. Fetish, adult, non-mature fetish... Basically everything over G that isn't plain-as-day vanilla.

Then when someone creates their account, they can go through and select which ones they want to see. Bondage, inflation, nc-17, herms, rape, vore, scat, watersports... What have you.

That way, no one has to see anything they don't want to see, ever. There are people here who may not like something that isn't considered /ah/, like someone who was tied up and abused, and bondage is considered /a/.

Just my 2 cents per word.
 
timbatig said:
All art should be filtered at first. Fetish, adult, non-mature fetish... Basically everything over G that isn't plain-as-day vanilla.

Then when someone creates their account, they can go through and select which ones they want to see. Bondage, inflation, nc-17, herms, rape, vore, scat, watersports... What have you.

That way, no one has to see anything they don't want to see, ever. There are people here who may not like something that isn't considered /ah/, like someone who was tied up and abused, and bondage is considered /a/.

Just my 2 cents per word.
Now as I recall when I signed up...that's exactly what happened. There was a screen with filter options on it and while i did not yet completely UNDERSTAND what the options were, it was still there and available and the categories to filter of coarse matched up withe the categories to serach with.
 

timbatig

New Member
Master_Oki_Akai said:
timbatig said:
All art should be filtered at first. Fetish, adult, non-mature fetish... Basically everything over G that isn't plain-as-day vanilla.

Then when someone creates their account, they can go through and select which ones they want to see. Bondage, inflation, nc-17, herms, rape, vore, scat, watersports... What have you.

That way, no one has to see anything they don't want to see, ever. There are people here who may not like something that isn't considered /ah/, like someone who was tied up and abused, and bondage is considered /a/.

Just my 2 cents per word.
Now as I recall when I signed up...that's exactly what happened.  There was a screen with filter options on it and while i did not yet completely UNDERSTAND what the options were, it was still there and available and the categories to filter of coarse matched up withe the categories to serach with.

Y-Gallery had that too, really nice implementation.
 

Phoenix-D

New Member
Master_Oki_Akai said:
timbatig said:
All art should be filtered at first. Fetish, adult, non-mature fetish... Basically everything over G that isn't plain-as-day vanilla.

Then when someone creates their account, they can go through and select which ones they want to see. Bondage, inflation, nc-17, herms, rape, vore, scat, watersports... What have you.

That way, no one has to see anything they don't want to see, ever. There are people here who may not like something that isn't considered /ah/, like someone who was tied up and abused, and bondage is considered /a/.

Just my 2 cents per word.
Now as I recall when I signed up...that's exactly what happened. There was a screen with filter options on it and while i did not yet completely UNDERSTAND what the options were, it was still there and available and the categories to filter of coarse matched up withe the categories to serach with.

Right, except the filters don't actually work, and some of the catagories are rather vague.

I think all the porn is still filtered by default, though.
 

kieranwolf

New Member
I definitely agree with the idea of filtering certain types of content, especially the ones that upset people the most.

As far as the legality of cub art, I've read that yes, it is pretty much legal, right?

Even if not, I propose that FA force artists who produce work with cubs to read and agree to a disclaimer stating that all characters they draw must be above the age of consent. This disclaimer should also be placed squarely in the way of folks who want to turn off the proposed cub filter, making sure that they understand that no character drawn is underaged, even if they appear to be.

Why do this, you ask? The fact that this is fantasy material makes it fairly flexible in that regard. We can state that all characters are above the age of consent, regardless of their appearance.

This would create what could be an additional protective layer against suits from any source, or perhaps even regular old legal action targeting the site if it ends up under the public or government eye.

Disclaimers are key!

Filters are a good thing!

Also, the FCHAN style of report -> admin action should work here. If anyone spots artwork that isn't properly labeled, it should get reported and action should be taken. Otherwise, the filters should act as a SHADDAP YOU MOUTH button.

Massive <3 to the admins for putting up with all this, by the way.
 

N3X15

Member
I think the primary reason they disabled the filters was the massive performance slowdown caused by using them. It SHOULD do most of the processing on the database, and not in PHP, though. *Looks at coders and database designers specifically*
 

yak

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Staff member
Administrator
N3X15 said:
I think the primary reason they disabled the filters was the massive performance slowdown caused by using them. It SHOULD do most of the processing on the database, and not in PHP, though. *Looks at coders and database designers specifically*
actually, all the slowdowns are database, and not PHP related. without getting into details, let's just say the former implementation of filters was not good enough.
 

IzzyFerret

New Member
Arshes Nei said:
What is with the "I'm leaving posts" and not actually leaving?

Personally I've been checking back to see if they actually make this permanant, or if they change their minds, I'm sure I'm not the only one, and I've also been waiting to see the finalized TOS. Since I can't completely remove my account, I want to make sure there's nothing sketchy like the old DeviantArt TOS.

Anyway I posted in another topic before I noticed this one.

Sounds a lot like the Fchan setup, which I personally can agree with. On Fchan, the fetishes that are...how to put this to not get anyone screaming at me...fetishes that have smaller fan bases due to the degree of deviation from social norms regarding fetishes, they're sectioned away into /a and /ah. So the people who like cub art, scat/watersports, what have you, they can check /ah as well as whatever else they like, and those of us who do not like the fetishes contained in /a and /ah, well we don't ever see them, not even the thumbnails...because let's face it, unless you censor your thumbnails like some do but most don't, you can still see what's going on. That's the point of thumbnails.

Since I'm far too lazy to read however many pages it is to see if this was proposed, I think a system as follows might work well: you'd have the General/Mature/Adult, and then if it was marked Mature or Adult, you could be further required to mark it into, you know, something like Straight, Lesbian, Gay, Group, Herm, Fetish, and Hard Fetish. I think that this would not put the same strain on the system as the old filtering system, because the old filtering system had like...30+ different categories you could filter out. I mean you'd have to definate fetish and hard fetish, or you could just steal Fchan's definitions, since I think they're pretty fair.

Part of the reason I left was I didn't like how it seemed as though the administration was allowing cub porn into the open, just out there, on the front pages, for everyone to see. That *TO ME* seems to be supporting it, regardless of what they say. A system where you have to opt in to that would be a little more agreeable. It just seems as if that's more like, "We allow it.....but we're gonna hide it waaay over in the darkest corner, so no one else has to see it." Although I don't see this resulting in artists returning. I think for a lot, it was a principle sort of thing, whether it was that they were parents themselves, or they didn't like the change from the TOS, or they just don't agree with supporting/allowing that sort of thing.
 

Arshes Nei

Masticates in Public
I have no problem with people posting "they're leaving" and leaving but I'm referring to people being INCREDIBLY INDECISIVE but at the same time constantly announcing an "I'm leaving" decision. You don't need to post it until you pondered the decision. You *may* be leaving, that's fine.

Some artists are just lurking now, so dunno about returning. Who knows.

Some are just going to have a wait and see approach which is also good. I can understand people leaving for whatever reason, lurking and responding appropriately before making journal posts about leaving is good too.

Filters are the middleman compromise in this issue, but some feel and all or nothing approach too.

My only request to the admins in this thing, is that can you at least enforce the old TOS to the best of your ability, as it is still up and wait until proper filers are in place before allowing the art up? I noticed the guy grandstanding in the Harassment forums about it, but I think at least if you have the enforcement before the changes, it will lend more credibility as admins in the minds of those that are still deciding.
 
Arshes Nei said:
I have no problem with people posting "they're leaving" and leaving but I'm referring to people being INCREDIBLY INDESICIVE but at the same time constantly announcing an "I'm leaving" decision. You don't need to post it until you pondered the decision. You *may* be leaving, that's fine.

Some artists are just lurking now, so dunno about returning. Who knows.

Some are just going to have a wait and see approach which is also good. I can understand people leaving for whatever reason, lurking and responding appropriately before making journal posts about leaving is good too.

Filters are the middleman compromise in this issue, but some feel and all or nothing approach too.

My only request to the admins in this thing, is that can you at least enforce the old TOS to the best of your ability, as it is still up and wait until proper filers are in place before allowing the art up? I noticed the guy grandstanding in the Harassment forums about it, but I think at least if you have the enforcement before the changes, it will lend more credibility as admins in the minds of those that are still deciding.
That's not unreasonable at all is it?
Why does it take gotta take hindsight to make the most rational decisions?
I mean I understand WHY that is, but I really wish we could reach such simple and easy suggestions sooner...
 
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