"Furaffinity will not be up tonight (that is, Monday)" discussion

[Wontoon Kangaroo]

Yikes, 48 hours up straight?
That's dedication that can only be admired.

So it's one more day. Until then, I have two things to hold me over; Drawing and Team Fortress 2.

 

[Alblaka]

Never set a deadline, if you are not 100% sure you will make it...

And when working with computers you can't be 100% sure...
How often i find errors in long time finished games, i programmed? And that although i've tested then x1000-times to be completely sure there aren't errors...

 

[Ebon Lupus]

Give it another month... relax... be at peace... you are a child of the universe, etc. OM

 

[Athais]

This is a lose lose situation for the Admin.

If they said, "We got no deadline or idea how long it will bring FA back up. It will be up when it's up." Everybody would go apeshit and those trolls that did not donate anything will complain about donations and where is their money going.

If they set a deadline and they break it, Everybody would go apeshit and those trolls that did not donate anything will complain about donations and where their money is going.

I really wish Fur Affinity took the DA stance and started outright banning asshats like that from the forums and their accounts and if they have to, their IP because having Random fuckfox start up a bunch of complaining and whining and gets a bunch of others behind him whining, it makes everybody look bad. Being a fur does not mean you have to be a walking pool of radioactive Drama leakage....at least i hope so.

Most of you are just acting childish. Do you remember when Tommy said he was going to bring toy A and then he didn't and you said, "I knew he was not going to do it! >__<." Deadlines are missed often. Things are pushed back for polish. I rather go 1 more Day with out FA and have it run steady for months, than to have FA now then have it go to apeshit by the weekend.

 

[supersonic250]

For some reason it seems the people who keep telling others to go outside and read a book are being the bigger jerks than the ones who are complaining... Read the "If I may interject" thread, please, EVERYONE! This should help settle both the whining and the jerks telling people to stop whining.

 

[Kimmerset]

1. Take a timer; set for 24-hours.
2. When timer goes off, check FurAffinity. If desired effect has not been achieved, reset timer.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

[Ebon Lupus]

I really wish Fur Affinity took the DA stance...

That would require an uptime of over 50% and no taking a month off. Although just flat out saying the server is dead and that they need a new one was a good tactic to boost donations. Kudos to that!

 

[Manacat]

This is a lose lose situation for the Admin.

If they said, "We got no deadline or idea how long it will bring FA back up. It will be up when it's up." Everybody would go apeshit and those trolls that did not donate anything will complain about donations and where is their money going.

If they set a deadline and they break it, Everybody would go apeshit and those trolls that did not donate anything will complain about donations and where their money is going.

I really wish Fur Affinity took the DA stance and started outright banning asshats like that from the forums and their accounts and if they have to, their IP because having Random fuckfox start up a bunch of complaining and whining and gets a bunch of others behind him whining, it makes everybody look bad. Being a fur does not mean you have to be a walking pool of radioactive Drama leakage....at least i hope so.

If it's lose lose then the lesser lose is informing the community when a major hurdle comes up. I appreciate the work Yak has been doing. If he was up over 24 hours though, someone should have posted something about something not going right. No schedule should factor someone being up over 48 hours, if it did. If he was up over 48, there was a timer he was up over 24 before the posted deadline. If he was up over 24 then, then clearly something was wrong then. A post at that point changing it from a deadline to an approximate date would have been better received than what happened.

Yes, some people are overreacting. I get the most smirks out of the off the wall conspiracy theories. (OMGz the money is gone because the site is gone for a couple more days!)

 

[Auros]

Here's a question: Is it even possible, with computer programming, to have a time estimate for when it would be finished and working properly? I see programming as mostly a trial and error process. You have no idea whether you will stumble on the right combination of code today or next week. At least that's how I think it works. I have totally no experience with these things.

 

[GeckoGurl]

Okay, can I offer some advice? The donations were like what....$16,000? Wouldn't it be well within budget to hire someone to get the site up if you all are so tired? I was being very patient, but I must admit after over a month...I'm starting to become a bit frustrated. Just an idea. I'm sure the several extra thousands of dollars left over after purchasing the equipment should be more than enough to cover hiring some help.

 

[Sunglasses]

Dare I even ask this?

Did you all just decide to re-write all the coding?

 

[BillyRabbit]

For some reason it seems the people who keep telling others to go outside and read a book are being the bigger jerks than the ones who are complaining... Read the "If I may interject" thread, please, EVERYONE! This should help settle both the whining and the jerks telling people to stop whining.

Not in my opinion; that post was just an attempt to trump both arguments at the same time and say that everyone should kinda just shut up. But...the thing is, there should be no forums, then. I mean...the forum here is "Site Discussion." Isn't it here for people to discuss how they feel about the site (and, obviously, about its current status?).

And to anyone who says "I'm so tired of hearing people voicing their opinions all the time," well, then...don't come to this forum site, then. That's kinda what this site is for.

 

[Manacat]

Here's a question: Is it even possible, with computer programming, to have a time estimate for when it would be finished and working properly? I see programming as mostly a trial and error process. You have no idea whether you will stumble on the right combination of code today or next week. At least that's how I think it works. I have totally no experience with these things.

The thing is, it wasn't initially supposed to BE computer programming as far as I know, until their prior changes (which happened after the hardware failure that caused the outage) must have broken something, which they needed to fix.

Moving an installation from one server to another really doesn't involve programming. My guess is that they took the time to fix some issues and improve stuff, and then at the last moment realized something got broken in the process, and had to fix it.

That's not meant as a jab to the staff, but it does explain why some are confused. If it was posted they were also programming before the delay thae I apologize, but I think some of the reaction comes from the turnabout from "installing the server software and testing it" to "reprogramming some of the software and not being able to finish on time." There's a huge difference between those two things, and it seems both are going on at the same time.

 

[Ebon Lupus]

Here's a question: Is it even possible, with computer programming, to have a time estimate for when it would be finished and working properly? I see programming as mostly a trial and error process. You have no idea whether you will stumble on the right combination of code today or next week. At least that's how I think it works. I have totally no experience with these things.

Programming is only trial and error if you don't know what you are doing.

I've been a professional programmer and if you know what you are doing you can base a projects estimated time on other projects you have completed in the past.

What I don't understand is why the site wasn't designed to be more portable. Just load the same PHP and MySQL engines on the new server and port the site over, everything should work as before.

 

[Athais]

That would require an uptime of over 50% and no taking a month off. Although just flat out saying the server is dead and that they need a new one was a good tactic to boost donations. Kudos to that!

Really nice how you missed everything before and after that, then made a response that has nothing to do with what i said. Kudos to that!

 

[DreadPirateRoberts]

Dang it.

Oh well, someone might as well go ahead and call the waambulance. Hopefully yak doesn't work himself to death over this. Let's hope its back by tommorow, if not well I guess I'll...go...do...something...like...you...know.

 

[Lig]

*Reads the update. Profanity is heard all the way in Rome. Pope cringes hearing it.*

Dang. Well.......*sigh.* I'm just not sure what to feel. For one Yak being up for two days straight show dedication. However it also makes me as. Is he the only person that can do this or are there others working on it? Cuz if it's just been him alone geeze. I'm a bit upset though about the site not going back online as planned but looks like it can't be helped. *mumbles something about wither or not the message system needed to be redone or not.* Ah I know I'm sounding a bit whiney but when it comes to art FA's my go to spot. Yes I know there's other sites out there and I've checked the two of them that someone posted links for. And well yeah lots of furry art but no where near what FA has. Especially when it comes to babyfur stuff.

Oh well I guess one more day won't hurt. I just hope tomorrow we don't hear that it's been pushed back another day.

 

[Masakuni]

Yeah it's kind of hard to be patient when

-A deadline is given and then not met, and we've been repeatedly dealing with delay after delay after delay after delay. It's understandable to justify expecting them to delay again.
-Aside from MSN and some other IRC I go to (which is not really a furry IRC in the first place) this is my only link to the furry world, and I know no other site like it that all of my closest friends go on.
-In response to those who are "get your porn fix somewhere else". Note that not everyone that goes on FA goes there for the porn. I know I sure don't, I don't even like that stuff. I go there to meet new friends, submit my art, meet some people that I wouldn't meet at somewhere like DA for example. If you want to suggest a place for me to hang out until it's back up be my guest, but there's a good chance I won't be sticking around if it's full of complete strangers (while I do like to make friends, I'm not exactly the type to jump in a spot unless I know at least a few of my closest friends are there).
-And yes, I've been doing things other than FA. Browsing around other places, swimming, watching movies, helping my mom with cutting the grass, cleaning up my late granny's yard, playing video games, etc. Doesn't mean I can't be annoyed when one of my favorite sites is down for a long amount of time, especially when I think it's going to be up a certain date and then I find out it'll be up another, then that day comes and then another delay, and another, and another, etc.

Just my two cents.

 

[Kimmerset]

Here's a question: Is it even possible, with computer programming, to have a time estimate for when it would be finished and working properly? I see programming as mostly a trial and error process. You have no idea whether you will stumble on the right combination of code today or next week. At least that's how I think it works. I have totally no experience with these things.

It can't be completely trial and error, else it would take forever to get anything done. But the biggest problem in programming is something small that you didn't expect and it takes forever to find out just what you did wrong.

Less trail and error, more pulling your hair out figuring out what you've done wrong.

 

[ediskrad]

Who wanna bet it won't be up in 48 hours. I pay good odds!

The constant setting and breaking of deadlines, the repeated downtimes, the continuously broken promises; it all speaks of unprofessionalism. And that's alright. I know everyone is doing their best without really know what they're doing. I doubt anybody is making a living out of this anyways.

What I'm saying is by now all we users should be used to Fur Affinity being broken.

BTW, I'm also giving good odds in how long the new FA is going to be up before its first meltdown.

 

[supersonic250]

Not in my opinion; that post was just an attempt to trump both arguments at the same time and say that everyone should kinda just shut up. But...the thing is, there should be no forums, then. I mean...the forum here is "Site Discussion." Isn't it here for people to discuss how they feel about the site (and, obviously, about its current status?).

And to anyone who says "I'm so tired of hearing people voicing their opinions all the time," well, then...don't come to this forum site, then. That's kinda what this site is for.

I didn't mean it that way. I'm just saying that a little more moderation in the opinions would be nice. Something a little more polite than "OMG WTF THE SITE'S STILL DOWN!!! FU!" and "OMG WTF GO OUTSIDE AND GET A LIFE LOSER!!!"

 

[SFox]

Who didn't see this one coming....

 

[Silver Fenrir]

1. Take a timer; set for 24-hours.
2. When timer goes off, check FurAffinity. If desired effect has not been achieved, reset timer.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Add things like work, friends, sex and outside, and we have a winning formula CAN I GET AN AMEN BROTHA

 

[Petrock]

Dare I even ask this?

Did you all just decide to re-write all the coding?

Sure seems like it...the coding at least WORKED before the server failed. Sure some things weren't perfect, but we don't have a paid programmer.

And since none of the admins have said (up until this point) that there WAS any major coding errors, I can only assume Yak wanted to tweak and rewrite while the aegis of "getting the site set up" still worked. Sadly, that quit working maybe four days ago when Yak said "We could have it up within four hours if we wanted to."

 

[Focswulfe]

It's something I expected, but I honestly can wait a while longer. Here's hoping the new coding helps the site run smoothly ^.^