"Furaffinity will not be up tonight (that is, Monday)" discussion

[Shiuk]

Wow...everyone is such a bitch c.c;;

Honestly not looking forward to FA coming up with all these people here...

 

[Manacat]

That would require an uptime of over 50% and no taking a month off. Although just flat out saying the server is dead and that they need a new one was a good tactic to boost donations. Kudos to that!

The site's up time was far greater than 50% before the crash, unless you factor in the several month long crash before that one, which doesn't count for the site's up time as far as I'm concerned.

People are still pushing conspiracy theories about the donations? Sheesh. They've been informing the community about the server purchases and where the money's gone consistently. Why do people still think it's some conspiracy? Don't you think if that was the case the site would have been up again a few weeks ago, after the donations trailed off?

Wow...everyone is such a bitch c.c;;

Honestly not looking forward to FA coming up with all these people here...

You are witnessing humanity not the furry community or FA community. That's how people are like when they get angry (especially when not face to face). I've been on other message boards that have nothing to do with Furry and people say the same things about how "their community" is so horrible. Also remember that anyone that posts on these boards is the vocal minority. For a LONG time I posted nothing. I probably won't post much again after the site is back up. I'm sure there are many thousands that lurk that don't post here, even artists!

For every one super rude whiny person there are probably hundreds of others that are not.

 

[Alblaka]

EVERYONE is only complaining!
The first over FA isn't online, the second over the first...

Be happy!
-Without FA main site there's more activity in this forum.
-It could be worse: The admins could decide to close FA...
-öhhmmm... damn, i thought i had more arguments -.-



WTF
During writing this i was 13x Ninja'D!!!
Thats more then we have in SI-Forum after the most senseless easter action ever

 

[Rufferstuff]

The thing is, it wasn't initially supposed to BE computer programming as far as I know, until their prior changes (which happened after the hardware failure that caused the outage) must have broken something, which they needed to fix.

Moving an installation from one server to another really doesn't involve programming. My guess is that they took the time to fix some issues and improve stuff, and then at the last moment realized something got broken in the process, and had to fix it.

That's not meant as a jab to the staff, but it does explain why some are confused. If it was posted they were also programming before the delay thae I apologize, but I think some of the reaction comes from the turnabout from "installing the server software and testing it" to "reprogramming some of the software and not being able to finish on time." There's a huge difference between those two things, and it seems both are going on at the same time.

It's probably something as simple as new code causing unexpected problems with old code, but they have to be fixed before the site will work.

 

[Athais]

Programming is only trial and error if you don't know what you are doing.

I've been a professional programmer and if you know what you are doing you can base a projects estimated time on other projects you have completed in the past.

What I don't understand is why the site wasn't designed to be more portable. Just load the same PHP and MySQL engines on the new server and port the site over, everything should work as before.

I am a marine Intergalactic astro bio-physicist. I discovered the theory of Relaity lapse and deep space travel and working while Intergalactic Warping Systems (IWSs...also known as worm holes.)

Anybody can spew out random shit with big words.

They may not know what they are doing, but at the same time, where is your furry art hosting gallery if you are such a super guru at programming? We all know that it took 3 minutes to Program halflife 2 and Gears of war because in order for you to be a programmer, you must never ever make mistakes. Infact, none of the high end tools for programming in any language have any debugging features.

 

[Ebon Lupus]

Really nice how you missed everything before and after that, then made a response that has nothing to do with what i said. Kudos to that!

No, I didn't miss it... I am merely amused by the absurd and there was nothing funny about anything else you wrote. If you are really uptight and need to un-stress, I suggest a carrot coated in KY and gently applied under the tail... DON'T use Vaseline, though, it can cause a rash. Be gentle on yourself.

 

[NekoNinja]

Aww...oh well, I can wait.

 

[oCe]

Give it another month... relax... be at peace... you are a child of the universe, etc. OM

Just FYI. That's all fine and good for a hobbyist and a fan, but believe it or not, some of us earn a significant chunk of our income doing commissions through this site. My business has been CRIPPLED for the last month. Yeah, easy enough for you to say, 'tra la la, go enjoy the sunshine!" But how would you feel if your JOB disappeared for a month? And no one could tell you when it would be coming back? Hmm?

Yeah.

And while you don't see me complaining, it has taken a lot of effort not to do so. I AM STRUGGLING without FA (where the majority of my commission correspondance takes place), and it's VERY hard not to vent that frustration here. Maybe it's a leisure site for MOST, but it's not a leisure site for some of us. So back off a little, and let people complain if they feel the need; some of us may have a legitimate reason to be upset.

--o/A

 

[raidy_and_dobe]

Add things like work, friends, sex and outside, and we have a winning formula CAN I GET AN AMEN BROTHA

Amen brotha!

 

[KeenyFox]

This is a complete joke. It has all just been one great big long delay. First it's July 25th, then the 28th, then today and now tomorrow. It's all a bunch of failed promises. At least I still have DeviantART to keep me up to date with at least half of my artistic pals. They changed their layout and all that jazz without shutting offline, FA could take a leaf out of their book.

It is said that good things come to those who wait, well it better be worth it when FA eventually does come back online. We deserve compensation for these delays, not that we're going to get any.

 

[Manacat]

This is a complete joke. It has all just been one great big long delay. First it's July 25th, then the 28th, then today and now tomorrow. It's all a bunch of failed promises. At least I still have DeviantART to keep me up to date with at least half of my artistic pals. They changed their layout and all that jazz without shutting offline, FA could take a leaf out of their book.

It is said that good things come to those who wait, well it better be worth it when FA eventually does come back online. We deserve compensation for these delays, not that we're going to get any.

Because of the monthly fee they charge? Oh, wait...

DA has full time staff paid for with the pay features of the site. FA is nowhere near as large and has nowhere near the funds to do that.

 

[Rhainor]

Yak can get a night off.. but work in fricking shifts.. how HARD can that be? And if you don't have someone to take their place.. you HIRE someone.

With what money?

 

[Athais]

Okay, can I offer some advice? The donations were like what....$16,000? Wouldn't it be well within budget to hire someone to get the site up if you all are so tired? I was being very patient, but I must admit after over a month...I'm starting to become a bit frustrated. Just an idea. I'm sure the several extra thousands of dollars left over after purchasing the equipment should be more than enough to cover hiring some help.

How much did you donate?

 

[Charem]

See...I don't care how long FA needs to come back up. It's coding, and coding is a pain. You struggle through it until it finally works something like you were intending. So it's all right if it takes an indeterminable amount of time.

The problem lies in that there have been countless deadlines made and broken, and they only seem thrown out there to keep everyone holding their breath. Please, use some tact, admin. Be generous with your estimates....if you say '5 days' and FA comes back after 3, well...that's a pleasant surprise for everyone. But it's a harsh sadness when we learn, yet again, no, FA won't be up 'in time'. I'd rather not even hear any more deadlines after such things happen.

I heard Yak was the one to set the latest deadline....hearing how he overworked himself, this sounds like a fanatical case of 'I can do it! I can get FA back up!' It's...valiant, but a little too overdetermined...the poor guy needs to relax a bit and take his time.

Okay, can I offer some advice? The donations were like what....$16,000? Wouldn't it be well within budget to hire someone to get the site up if you all are so tired? I was being very patient, but I must admit after over a month...I'm starting to become a bit frustrated. Just an idea. I'm sure the several extra thousands of dollars left over after purchasing the equipment should be more than enough to cover hiring some help.

I think this is a very intelligent idea, and I'm surprised no-one has thought of this until now. Temps would speed these mundane tasks to completion, and also allow FA's staff (whom I'm sure are exhausted from all the work on FA so far) to take a break. It's just good for everybody...

 

[Auros]

From the "If I May Interject..." thread:

yak had been taking advantage of the downtime and doing work on the message center. This was on the old server, as it was the only machine with an environment capable of running FA at all. A couple days ago the RAID card finally gave out, ruining most of his work, and he has to do it all again. He has been up for two days working on it. This is the man you are haranguing. Congratulations.

So it's another hardware problem causing the latest delay. Hardware problems are not discriminatory, and are unpredictable at times. Though they do tend to cluster around crucial times...

 

[eevachu]

And thus, the drama llamas continue to multiply. Let this be a lesson; always spay and neuter your drama llamas before entering the internets.

I shall now return to deviantART, where I shall sit and continue to not care. Maybe I'll even go take a walk with my cat outside. You remember outside right? With the trees and the fresh air and the actual real people to talk to using your vocal chords...

 

[sofur]

aw, man, rewriting code to account for new conditions always sucks, cause you either have to cut and hack away huge amounts of subroutines, or sometimes just give up and start over from scratch cause it's too much of a mess to deal with.
Best of luck to him, I say, and thanks for the break from the very addictive internet, eh?

;3

 

[Grimfang]

You know... the name "Something Bawful" isn't currently in use. Could we adopt it here?

 

[Petrock]

Just FYI. That's all fine and good for a hobbyist and a fan, but believe it or not, some of us earn a significant chunk of our income doing commissions through this site. My business has been CRIPPLED for the last month. Yeah, easy enough for you to say, 'tra la la, go enjoy the sunshine!" But how would you feel if your JOB disappeared for a month? And no one could tell you when it would be coming back? Hmm?

Yeah.

And while you don't see me complaining, it has taken a lot of effort not to do so. I AM STRUGGLING without FA (where the majority of my commission correspondance takes place), and it's VERY hard not to vent that frustration here. Maybe it's a leisure site for MOST, but it's not a leisure site for some of us. So back off a little, and let people complain if they feel the need; some of us may have a legitimate reason to be upset.

--o/A

I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but have you considered opening commissions on DA? Sure you can't post porn there, but you'd get SOME interest, considering there's a sizeable number of people from FA on DA. Plus, it's free for a basic account (just like FA).

 

[GeckoGurl]

How much did you donate?

I'll going to be honest I didn't donate anything. It's pretty hard to donate when I work on a little over minimum wage, just had surgery and have been off of work, and haven't been able to make any money off of my second job of selling art commissions because FA is down. I was just offering a suggestion. If they need the money for something else I suppose that is fine, was just a suggestion.

I just thought maybe it would be helpful if they hired some help.

 

[jayhusky]

Ah well. At least i now know why, thanks for the update dave!

 

[wildrider]

Not a big deal really. Just another little bit of waiting. There's plenty of other sites to go to and other things to do in the meantime. I'm gonna play Banjo-Kazooie!

 

[Ebon Lupus]

I am a marine Intergalactic astro bio-physicist. I discovered the theory of Relaity lapse and deep space travel and working while Intergalactic Warping Systems (IWSs...also known as worm holes.)

Anybody can spew out random shit with big words.

They may not know what they are doing, but at the same time, where is your furry art hosting gallery if you are such a super guru at programming? We all know that it took 3 minutes to Program halflife 2 and Gears of war because in order for you to be a programmer, you must never ever make mistakes. Infact, none of the high end tools for programming in any language have any debugging features.

Wow... you should be on another planet by now.

I had a gallery script running for a while. I've actually had three, one open source and two I built myself. Financial and time constraints became too great and I decided that FA was sufficient. Since the only reason I bother putting my art up at all is to share it with others, and it seems to be well regarded by one of the furry sub-cultures.

My professional programming was using BAL and COBOL years ago in a bank to write loan application systems for an IBM system 370 mainframe. I haven't done any serious programming since I got fed up with humanity 20-some years ago.

Yes, debugging is a necessary part of coding, but if you know what you are doing there is VERY little debugging necessary.

*gives you a flower*

 

[GeckoGurl]

I think this is a very intelligent idea, and I'm surprised no-one has thought of this until now. Temps would speed these mundane tasks to completion, and also allow FA's staff (whom I'm sure are exhausted from all the work on FA so far) to take a break. It's just good for everybody...[/quote]

Ya, I mean, I guess I don't know exactly how much is left, but I think it could be very helpful...and should be relatively inexpensive.

 

[Petrock]

And thus, the drama llamas continue to multiply. Let this be a lesson; always spay and neuter your drama llamas before entering the internets.

I shall now return to deviantART, where I shall sit and continue to not care. Maybe I'll even go take a walk with my cat outside. You remember outside right? With the trees and the fresh air and the actual real people to talk to using your vocal chords...

Hate to break it to you, but most everyone HAS been doing other things. Quit telling anyone to quit complaining, most everyone here has the RIGHT to be upset and voice their opinion.