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Furry Cons & Coronavirus

Simo

Professional Watermelon Farmer
No gatherings of over 250 here in Michigan until April 5th; meaning MCFC has been postponed. Refunds are being issued, or people can stay registered for the to be determined future date.
 

Simo

Professional Watermelon Farmer
Well, two cons postponed, so far:

-Motor City Fur Con
-Golden State Fur Con

...I imagine more will follow; it does seem like the prudent thing to do.
 

RailRide

The Real Wheels of Steel
Toronto's big shindig, Furnal Equinox:

Furnal Equinox 2020: Official Cancellation Of Event – Furnal Equinox

I was going to this one. First hint of trouble was this morning's email from Amtrak telling both trains I was taking to/from the event being canceled "due to service disruption". While weighing my options (Greyhound looked increasingly unlikely the more I thought about it), then a few hours later I heard of the above in a stream, checking FE's Twitter feed confirmed it. They made the decision the day after I last looked there.

I think I'm going to donate my registration fee rather than have it refunded (I won't miss the reg fee, and I do want to do what I can to ensure the event is able to return when this blows over). The hotel and transportation will be handled differently.

Addendum: Vouchered my Amtrak tickets for future travel, and found that the FE hotel auto-canceled the associated reservations when the con pulled the plug. And just now found out about FWA.

---PCJ
 
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Simo

Professional Watermelon Farmer
Wow, this even made the New York Post. I have to admit, I did kinda like the first line of the brief article :

"An annual Atlanta gathering of people dressed in furry suits that was scheduled for May has been canceled..."

https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/atlanta-furry-convention-canceled-due-to-coronavirus/

It'll be curious, to see how the various cons are rescheduled, given the way the initial scheduling tries to make them so they don't overlap with each other too much; there might be a lot of fur-cons in rapid succession/at the same time, once this clears up.
 

AdenineWolf

Totally being sane and metaphysical rn
I wouldn't be surprised if a whole bunch of cons were shutting down because of this whole stupid 'pandemic' caused by a virus less deadly than the Flu.
I'm not even worried, I'm just annoyed of how much unnecessary hysteria is being caused by this bullshit.
This virus is only killing old people and people with weak immune systems or with other health complications.
It's the fucking media that's making this all like a big deal, cuz this is all they get to talk about.
I don't think we need to shut down many services in our country and other nations because of this stupid fucking virus.
Sure, it's pretty infectious but, it's not as deadly as Ebola or SARS.
If it were to be Ebola, then i'd be shitting my pants and i'd see a reason this would all be happening, but it ain't.
I don't understand people nowadays. The Flu and the HIV virus infects and kills more people than this stupid pathogen every fucking year.
We don't get scared as much about those huh? I really just don't understand the fear behind it.
I'm getting real pissed about our society and the prissy little pricks of leaders who take charge of our world and how they're not doing their jobs properly.
We may need to start a revolt, make massive improvements to our old rusty dying system, because this is getting to that point where everyone's freaking out
Over a virus that won't even kill the average healthy person like it's the end of days.
 

RailRide

The Real Wheels of Steel
It'll be curious, to see how the various cons are rescheduled, given the way the initial scheduling tries to make them so they don't overlap with each other too much; there might be a lot of fur-cons in rapid succession/at the same time, once this clears up.

My guess is most of them will simply skip this year and resume their scheduled intervals the following year. I do have a room reservation for Anthrocon (and will likely put in for Artist's Alley), but other arrangements/cons are in a holding pattern till I see how things shake out.

---PCJ
 

Kumali

Lupine-American
I wouldn't be surprised if a whole bunch of cons were shutting down because of this whole stupid 'pandemic' caused by a virus less deadly than the Flu.
I'm not even worried, I'm just annoyed of how much unnecessary hysteria is being caused by this bullshit.
This virus is only killing old people and people with weak immune systems or with other health complications.
It's the fucking media that's making this all like a big deal, cuz this is all they get to talk about.
I don't think we need to shut down many services in our country and other nations because of this stupid fucking virus.
Sure, it's pretty infectious but, it's not as deadly as Ebola or SARS.
If it were to be Ebola, then i'd be shitting my pants and i'd see a reason this would all be happening, but it ain't.
I don't understand people nowadays. The Flu and the HIV virus infects and kills more people than this stupid pathogen every fucking year.
We don't get scared as much about those huh? I really just don't understand the fear behind it.
I'm getting real pissed about our society and the prissy little pricks of leaders who take charge of our world and how they're not doing their jobs properly.
We may need to start a revolt, make massive improvements to our old rusty dying system, because this is getting to that point where everyone's freaking out
Over a virus that won't even kill the average healthy person like it's the end of days.

www.dailykos.com: MSNBC: Over 8,900 cases , DOUBLING every 3 days and 153 deaths

threadreaderapp.com: Thread by @JasonYanowitz: If you'e still hanging with friends, going to restaurants/bars, and acting like this isn't a big deal, get your shit together. The following…
 

Kumali

Lupine-American
This virus is only killing old people and people with weak immune systems or with other health complications.
...everyone's freaking out
Over a virus that won't even kill the average healthy person like it's the end of days.

www.msn.com: Younger Adults Comprise Big Portion of Coronavirus Hospitalizations in U.S.

"Of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger — between 20 and 54. And nearly half of the 121 patients who were admitted to intensive care units were adults under 65, the C.D.C. reported.

“'I think everyone should be paying attention to this,' said Stephen S. Morse, a professor of epidemiology at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. 'It’s not just going to be the elderly. There will be people age 20 and up. They do have to be careful, even if they think that they’re young and healthy.'

"The findings served to underscore an appeal issued Wednesday at a White House briefing by Dr. Deborah Birx, a physician and State Department official who is a leader of the administration’s coronavirus task force. Citing similar reports of young adults in Italy and in France being hospitalized and needing intensive care, Dr. Birx implored the millennial generation to stop socializing in groups and to take care to protect themselves and others."
 

VX666

The Foxy Goddess
Well the Coronavirus family all have about the same mild to some being severe in symptoms. 19 isnt really that much more severe or contagious

There are 200 viruses that come and go each season, some mutate each season, COVID-19 really isnt that special and it's not been that deadly compared to other viruses when controlled for time and spread.

It's really just hysteria
 

VX666

The Foxy Goddess
I'd advise a quick look at italy when it comes to uncontrolled spread.

Covid 19 is not to be trifled with.

Well to put into perspective, even though we have been hit hard by the spread of COVID-19, we dont have any confirmed deaths of anyone being infected and dying soley because of COVID-19 as the primary initiation and cause of death.

A lot of people who are already I'll did die and test positive for covid 19, but they tested positive for 200+ pathogens as well.

Again. Even though its spread quickly, it's actually only one of 200 other viruses that are causing problems
 

Kumali

Lupine-American

VX666

The Foxy Goddess


I was referring to deaths directly linked to COVID-19 as the sole cause, not just general deaths.

"Well to put into perspective, even though we have been hit hard by the spread of COVID-19, we dont have any confirmed deaths of anyone being infected and dying soley because of COVID-19 as the primary initiation and cause of death."

I think what you are confusing are general deaths vs deaths with COVID-19 as the primary cause without pre existing conditions.

A lot of doctors will give opinions about risks but I'm just stating facts here.
 
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ConorHyena

nazi hunter
I was referring to deaths directly linked to COVID-19 as the sole cause, not just general deaths.

"Well to put into perspective, even though we have been hit hard by the spread of COVID-19, we dont have any confirmed deaths of anyone being infected and dying soley because of COVID-19 as the primary initiation and cause of death."

I think what you are confusing are general deaths vs deaths with COVID-19 as the primary cause without pre existing conditions.

A lot of doctors will give opinions about risks but I'm just stating facts here.

Oh dear.

Of course we do. Covid 19 causes pneumonia in cases and this kills you if your heart and your lung can't take the strain anymore.*
 

Kumali

Lupine-American
Well to put into perspective, even though we have been hit hard by the spread of COVID-19, we dont have any confirmed deaths of anyone being infected and dying soley because of COVID-19 as the primary initiation and cause of death.

A lot of people who are already I'll did die and test positive for covid 19, but they tested positive for 200+ pathogens as well.

Again. Even though its spread quickly, it's actually only one of 200 other viruses that are causing problems


I was referring to deaths directly linked to COVID-19 as the sole cause, not just general deaths.

"Well to put into perspective, even though we have been hit hard by the spread of COVID-19, we dont have any confirmed deaths of anyone being infected and dying soley because of COVID-19 as the primary initiation and cause of death."

I think what you are confusing are general deaths vs deaths with COVID-19 as the primary cause without pre existing conditions.

A lot of doctors will give opinions about risks but I'm just stating facts here.


So the 11,570 worldwide COVID-19 deaths reported by JHU as of Saturday morning (261 in the US) were all patients with pre-existing conditions? Sources please.



Well the Coronavirus family all have about the same mild to some being severe in symptoms. 19 isnt really that much more severe or contagious

There are 200 viruses that come and go each season, some mutate each season, COVID-19 really isnt that special and it's not been that deadly compared to other viruses when controlled for time and spread.

It's really just hysteria


From Dr. Aaron E. Carroll, Professor of pediatrics at Indiana University School of Medicine, and Dr. Ashish Jha, Professor of Global Health at Harvard University:


www.theatlantic.com: This Is How We Can Beat the Coronavirus


Excerpt, with emphasis added: “The last time we faced a pandemic with this level of infectivity, that was this dangerous, for which we had no therapy or vaccine, was 100 years ago, and it led to 50 million deaths. The coronavirus pandemic isn’t unprecedented, but it’s not anything almost anyone alive has experienced before. We, are, however, much more knowledgeable, much more coordinated, and much more capable today.


“Some Americans are in denial, and others are feeling despair. Both sentiments are understandable. We all have a choice to make. We can look at the coming fire and let it burn. We can hunker down, and hope to wait it out—or we can work together to get through it with as little damage as possible. This country has faced massive threats before and risen to the challenge; we can do it again. We just need to decide to make it happen.”


Also see www.forbes.com: Why 'Exponential Growth' Is So Scary For The COVID-19 Coronavirus


Excerpt, with emphasis added: “For the time being, it appears that the COVID-19 infection is still growing exponentially in many countries across the world, including the United States. The doubling time has been increased to six days or more in South Korea and Iran, but remains between 2 and 4 days in countries like Sweden, France, Italy, Australia, Spain, the Netherlands, and the United States. And most frighteningly, if we continue on our present exponential trends, we will reach a total of over 1 million infected by early April in a large number of countries.


“It doesn't have to be this way, however. If we can dramatically reduce the rate of infection now, at this critical time (over the next 2-to-4 weeks), we could see the number of newly infected individuals drop precipitously, and slow the spread of this pandemic. The key is putting the brakes on the exponential growth phase, and to take these disease-reducing actions seriously. Unless we all take part, however, things will get a lot worse before they get better.”
 

VX666

The Foxy Goddess
Oh dear.

Of course we do. Covid 19 causes pneumonia in cases and this kills you if your heart and your lung can't take the strain anymore.*

That may be theory but I'm talking about actual verifiable cases where COVID-19 was the primary infection.

There are 200 other types of viri that do that and have resulted in far more deaths.
 

VX666

The Foxy Goddess
So the 11,570 worldwide COVID-19 deaths reported by JHU as of Saturday morning (261 in the US) were all patients with pre-existing conditions? Sources please.






From Dr. Aaron E. Carroll, Professor of pediatrics at Indiana University School of Medicine, and Dr. Ashish Jha, Professor of Global Health at Harvard University:


www.theatlantic.com: This Is How We Can Beat the Coronavirus


Excerpt, with emphasis added: “The last time we faced a pandemic with this level of infectivity, that was this dangerous, for which we had no therapy or vaccine, was 100 years ago, and it led to 50 million deaths. The coronavirus pandemic isn’t unprecedented, but it’s not anything almost anyone alive has experienced before. We, are, however, much more knowledgeable, much more coordinated, and much more capable today.


“Some Americans are in denial, and others are feeling despair. Both sentiments are understandable. We all have a choice to make. We can look at the coming fire and let it burn. We can hunker down, and hope to wait it out—or we can work together to get through it with as little damage as possible. This country has faced massive threats before and risen to the challenge; we can do it again. We just need to decide to make it happen.”


Also see www.forbes.com: Why 'Exponential Growth' Is So Scary For The COVID-19 Coronavirus


Excerpt, with emphasis added: “For the time being, it appears that the COVID-19 infection is still growing exponentially in many countries across the world, including the United States. The doubling time has been increased to six days or more in South Korea and Iran, but remains between 2 and 4 days in countries like Sweden, France, Italy, Australia, Spain, the Netherlands, and the United States. And most frighteningly, if we continue on our present exponential trends, we will reach a total of over 1 million infected by early April in a large number of countries.


“It doesn't have to be this way, however. If we can dramatically reduce the rate of infection now, at this critical time (over the next 2-to-4 weeks), we could see the number of newly infected individuals drop precipitously, and slow the spread of this pandemic. The key is putting the brakes on the exponential growth phase, and to take these disease-reducing actions seriously. Unless we all take part, however, things will get a lot worse before they get better.”

You tell me, a lot of people died, but was COVID-19 the primary cause?

The rate of spread is fast but not unlike the 200 other viruses going around this season. COVID-19 is mild to severe, but not the most dangerous, why single 1 of 200 species of viri going about? What's the justification?

A lot of the reported deaths are those who tested positive for COVID-19 but also tested positive for dozens of other viri. There is no conclusion COVID-19 was the primary cause
 
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Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
@VX666

Even politicians who initially denied that this virus represented a danger have been forced to advise unprecedented policies of social isolation.
This isn't simply a hysteria; it's a real problem and we all have to be in this together to protect the vulnerable people around us from infection.
We don't want to end up in the same situation as the Lombardians, with hospital systems over-whelmed, especially since this will mean people start dying from other preventable conditions we could have treated if there were enough hospital beds.

The one thing I've learnt from this pandemic so far is just how many people I know who take immunosuppressant drugs, for example.
 

Toby_Morpheus

Hello, Proto
That may be theory but I'm talking about actual verifiable cases where COVID-19 was the primary infection.

There are 200 other types of viri that do that and have resulted in far more deaths.
It's a different kind of pneumonia. Generally pneumonia causes people to cough up clear to white/off-white fluid but with Coronavirus, they're coughing up pink.

How many other widespread viruses do we know of where people are suffocating on their own blood?
 

ConorHyena

nazi hunter
You tell me, a lot of people died, but was COVID-19 the primary cause?

The rate of spread is fast but not unlike the 200 other viruses going around this season. COVID-19 is mild to severe, but not the most dangerous, why single 1 of 200 species of viri going about? What's the justification?

A lot of the reported deaths are those who tested positive for COVID-19 but also tested positive for dozens of other viri. There is no conclusion COVID-19 was the primary cause

With respect, you're talking bullshit. Please inform yourself, this is an important topic.
 

Kumali

Lupine-American
You tell me, a lot of people died, but was COVID-19 the primary cause?

The rate of spread is fast but not unlike the 200 other viruses going around this season. COVID-19 is mild to severe, but not the most dangerous, why single 1 of 200 species of viri going about? What's the justification?

A lot of the reported deaths are those who tested positive for COVID-19 but also tested positive for dozens of other viri. There is no conclusion COVID-19 was the primary cause

No, you tell me. “A lot” = how many? What percentage? And you know this how? Sources please.

Until you can back up what you’re saying, I’m inclined to listen to credentialed medical professionals when they’re as unanimous as they are on this. Especially since they’re the ones dealing with it in the real world.

Again, Dr. Aaron E. Carroll of Indiana University School of Medicine and Dr. Ashish Jha of Harvard University: “The last time we faced a pandemic with this level of infectivity, that was this dangerous, for which we had no therapy or vaccine, was 100 years ago, and it led to 50 million deaths. The coronavirus pandemic isn’t unprecedented, but it’s not anything almost anyone alive has experienced before. We, are, however, much more knowledgeable, much more coordinated, and much more capable today.

“Some Americans are in denial, and others are feeling despair. Both sentiments are understandable. We all have a choice to make. We can look at the coming fire and let it burn. We can hunker down, and hope to wait it out—or we can work together to get through it with as little damage as possible.”


And we should all accept your denial of the pandemic’s severity, contradicting these doctors and every global health organization I’ve seen reports from, because…? Your credentials and experience are…?
 

Tenné

Purveyor of cookies
Whenever I go on FAF as of late I'm disappointed in some people's cavalier attitude to these types of things. Furry drama is dumb, and while I get annoyed and strongly disagree, this is on a whole other level.

Thinking that covid-19 is nothing much in January of this year is understandable. Believing it to be just another seasonal flu is beyond my comprehension at this point. Currently most of countries are on lockdown. Do you think you're better informed than health professionals and governments? Do you know how incredibly expensive this is, yet governments have decided that effectively destroying their way of life is better than letting this virus roam free.

I'm disappointed that this is even up for debate.
 
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