Furry Cons & Coronavirus

[VX666]

there you go: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ...chte/2020-03-21-en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

Is in english, don't worry. 47 deaths due to Corona/Covid-19 in Germany.

I read that, it doesnt say the 47 deaths out of 16000 were primary caused by COVID-19. Also it's a fairly average mortality for any viral infection.

I'm not saying ignore it, but perspecticely, we have 200+ other species of viri going about each year. Why stop the world now?

 

[ConorHyena]

I read that, it doesnt say the 47 deaths out of 16000 were primary caused by COVID-19. Also it's a fairly average mortality for any viral infection.

I'm not saying ignore it, but perspecticely, we have 200+ other species of viri going about each year. Why stop the world now?

It says exactly that. 47 deaths caused BY THE CORONA VIRUS.

 

[Simo]

First of all, why are you singling me out?

We very much are trying to determine the dangers of this virus, it doesnt discriminate furries in particular or not.

HIV is the primary underlying cause in AIDS cases. There are many documented cases of deaths from HIV as a primary cause.

But there isnt any for COVID-19.

We know it spreads quickly and easilly. But we haven't seen anyone die from it as a primary cause.

I'm not saying we should ignore the dangers but there are 200 other viruses that come and go each year to worry about too in large gatherings, why stop now?

This thread literally states Furry Conventiond and COvid19,That is literally what we are talking about, why would you suggest we start another thread?

Because this thread was started to discuss the impact of the virus on Furry Conventions, and was created in the furry conventions section of the forum specifically to do so, as opposed to threads in more general sections of the forum.

I'm singling you out because I think your opinions are hamfisted and border on the misanthropic.

Again: Please start a thread in another section, such as politics and current events, if you wish to argue that the virus isn't killing anyone.

 

[Toby_Morpheus]

Because this thread was started to discuss the impact of the virus on Furry Conventions, and was created in the furry conventions section of the forum specifically to do so, as opposed to threads in more general sections of the forum.

I'm singling you out because I think your opinions are hamfisted and border on the misanthropic.

Again: Please start a thread in another section, such as politics and current events, if you wish to argue that the virus isn't killing anyone.

The main thread for that got locked. Mewtwo already warned people about spreading misinformation there.

 

[VX666]

It says exactly that. 47 deaths caused BY THE CORONA VIRUS.

But not primary cause.

You need to understand that in infectous disease terminology, cases and deaths only have the criteria to test positive for a pathogen, it does not specify if the pathogen was the primary cause unless explicitly stated.

Meaning that a lot of people get sick and die, they test and 99% of the time they will test positive for dozens of viri, it's very inclusive to up numbers that way but hard to determine primary sole cause.

 

[ConorHyena]

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Yes, the primary cause. Just becuase you keep saying this doesn't make it any more true.

People get covid 19, get pneumonia and die - the fact that they got pneumonia from Covid 19 is the primary cause for their deaths. Without Covid 19 they would not have gotten pneumonia and died.

Jesus.

 

[Simo]

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Please start a thread of your own to do so in an appropriate section of the forum.

Thank you.

 

[VX666]

Yes, the primary cause. Just becuase you keep saying this doesn't make it any more true.

People get covid 19, get pneumonia and die - the fact that they got pneumonia from Covid 19 is the primary cause for their deaths. Without Covid 19 they would not have gotten pneumonia and died.

Jesus.

Read your own material, it does not state primary cause.

We are not talking about the domino affect, we are talking about the primary cause. There are hundreds of viruses that cause pnumonia.

Its which virus, but more importantly, the vehicle for distribution.

 

[VX666]

Please start a thread of your own to do so in an appropriate section of the forum.

Thank you.

We're literally talking about the topic at hand, why dont you start a different thread?

 

[ConorHyena]

Read your own material, it does not state primary cause.

We are not talking about the domino affect, we are talking about the primary cause. There are hundreds of viruses that cause pnumonia.

Its which virus, but more importantly, the vehicle for distribution.

Can you not read? Here, I'll underline it for you.

 

[VX666]

Can you not read? Here, I'll underline it for you.

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Like I said.

Doesn't say primary cause.


So back to my original point, yes COVID-19 spreads quickly and is contagious, but it's far less deadly than the other 200+ pathogens going around each year.

I dont think we should cancel events, BUT any of the 200+ infections you can get are not cool.

We should have far better sanitation protocols at events, not just close them and put artists and event organizers out of business.

If you want to argue about threads and topics, I say we need to discuss cleanliness and sanitation at conventions and such events.

 

[ConorHyena]

Like I said.

Doesn't say primary cause.

I quote "due to covid 19"

In english, "due to [X]" means that X is the reason for something happening. Reason usually implies a degree of causality, which you could also call primary cause. So - no, you're wrong. It says primary cause right there

 

[Simo]

@SSJ3Mewtwo : Could you please lock this thread? I have sent a report, as well, pertaining to the matter.

Many thanks,

S. Skunk.

 

[VX666]

I quote "due to covid 19"

In english, "due to [X]" means that X is the reason for something happening. Reason usually implies a degree of causality, which you could also call primary cause. So - no, you're wrong. It says primary cause right there

That's just false and bad medical advice / reasoning.

A death can be due to many things, but one primary cause.

 

[Toby_Morpheus]

@SSJ3Mewtwo : Could you please lock this thread? I have sent a report, as well, pertaining to the matter.

Many thanks,

S. Skunk.

I sent one earlier as well.
This has gone too far.

 

[ConorHyena]

That's just false and bad medical advice / reasoning.

A death can be due to many things, but one primary cause.

This is not medical reasoning or advice. It's lingustic advice - I am merely explaining what the report is stating because you apparently have not understood it.

I am not sure why you are so deliberately trying to mislead people, but I do not approve of it.

 

[SSJ3Mewtwo]

I am going to ask that users in this thread please cease replying to VX666's posts in it.

I am also going to ask that those who were replying please research the concept of 'baiting'.

 

[SSJ3Mewtwo]

@SSJ3Mewtwo : Could you please lock this thread? I have sent a report, as well, pertaining to the matter.

Many thanks,

S. Skunk.

I have addressed the issue, and will allow the thread to remain open. My main concern is that people not fall for blatant attempts at water-muddying.

 

[Raever]

My face hurts...

Anyway, assuming all above is squashed, my general answer is that conventions will likely not be held (for obvious reasons) until we have more control of the virus and have an actual plan to fight against it. I feel like this should be common knowledge though. If anyone hosts a con before Carona is handled, I'll be AMAZED if anyone even attends. This goes for other social based events as well, again, for obvious reasons.

 

[Kumali]

Anyway, assuming all above is squashed, my general answer is that conventions will likely not be held (for obvious reasons) until we have more control of the virus and have an actual plan to fight against it. I feel like this should be common knowledge though. If anyone hosts a con before Carona is handled, I'll be AMAZED if anyone even attends. This goes for other social based events as well, again, for obvious reasons.

Indeed, and my posts in this thread have been intended to show why that is. Particularly for the benefit of anyone still questioning or trying to deny the reality of the situation, as regards furcons or any other gatherings. Point made, I think; I'll go back to lurking now.

 

[Keefur]

Wild Nights, a Furry camping/outdoor con in Oklahoma has postponed their con until next year due to the virus.

 

[Simo]

Wild Nights, a Furry camping/outdoor con in Oklahoma has postponed their con until next year due to the virus.

Saw this today, via Twitter, and thought I'd pass it along:

"AnthrOhio 2020 has been cancelled this May due to COVID-19 concerns Any hotel reservations made with our ANT group code need to be cancelled by April 15th. Please call 614-885-1885, option #2 and refer to our ANT room block code."

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My thought is that pretty much every con will be delayed/cancelled, now through September.

It appears Anthrocon is still planning to 'happen' in early July, but I imagine that on the off chance it does, it's going to be much smaller.

 

[Keefur]

Saw this today, via Twitter, and thought I'd pass it along:

"AnthrOhio 2020 has been cancelled this May due to COVID-19 concerns Any hotel reservations made with our ANT group code need to be cancelled by April 15th. Please call 614-885-1885, option #2 and refer to our ANT room block code."

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My thought is that pretty much every con will be delayed/cancelled, now through September.

It appears Anthrocon is still planning to 'happen' in early July, but I imagine that on the off chance it does, it's going to be much smaller.

I seriously doubt AC will happen. I was supposed to go vend at AnthrOhio. I was a past GoH there and support the con.

 

[Simo]

I seriously doubt AC will happen. I was supposed to go vend at AnthrOhio. I was a past GoH there and support the con.

Yeah, I bet AC will be called off. That guy who runs it (or started it), Papa Kage, seems to be pretty level headed based on his Tweets; my guess is that it's not been cancelled yet, just so people can dream.

Let's hope for better luck next year.

 

[Ra'ara Su'nai]

Definitely hoping AC will still be on.