FYI - Acceptable Upload Policy (AUP) Update

[Quiet269]

Why would Wookiee delete his own stuff, notibly his older works? They didn't look like 3d work at all and deleting it all is a sign of weakness/egotism/etc imo.

Wookiee deleted his 3d work as far as I noticed.

He deleted it because he uses unmodified models which is against the AUP.

 

[Skant]

Why would Wookiee delete his own stuff, notibly his older works? They didn't look like 3d work at all and deleting it all is a sign of weakness/egotism/etc imo.

Because Wookiee has also created several poser renderings in addition to his paintings. They also had a lot of favorites and were very well done. He deleted them because the new AUP says they're not acceptable, and he said in his journal he didn't want to argue about it.

 

[Dancougar]

Oh god, you're really not getting it. The argument isn't "baseless", it's about creating your own content. These "hardcore modelers" are people that put in the time to make their own stuff. And of course you have the LEGAL RIGHT to use it any way you see fit. You also have the LEGAL RIGHT to take thirty pictures of your shoulder. Great. Do something else with them, because under the AUP, they can't go here.

Also, the freelance modelers did it to make money. Sorry to break it to ya.

\And you may quote multiple people in a single post, so quit with the three consecutive post nonsense.

Yes, its hard to get ones mind around unreasoning hatred. Its unfathomable to those who are open minded and accepting to the works of others no matter how they came about it. Its not the tools used in the creation, its the end result that matters. Yes they are people that put the time and toil into making their own stuff, but feel that all have to go through the same thing and that all should be on the same footing as they. Art ain't like that. It comes from people who have a variety of different methods and use them to put out works that reflect their artistic vision. In the end argument is about the pushing of personal tastes and intolerance. Recently there was a court ruling that demanded that a country club change thier rules to let women into their previously men-only resteraunt. Discrimination is discrimination. Entity A makes rules that curtail or forbid the involvement of population B, it is discrimination, and discrimination is wrong.

Thats right, they did it to make money, They found a way to make their skills pay well, and more than likely its the naysayers that didn't. Thats what it boils down to. Loss of customers takes the food out of their mouths. The more customers that are driven off, the more money they lose. Talk about hatred of ones own kind. Before you retort and say that you are nothing like them, you are, because you are a modeler, and so are they. LIke I said before, they just found a way to make it pay. It would be no different if say they sold their wares in the native file source to the users of that particular program. One can say that they are prostituting themselves out, for a buck, but isn't that what one does when one either freelances, or works for a company? In the end your work goes to someone else for a fee.

Yes, I can post to multiple people using one post but I prefer to personalize my responses to those that answer me. It gets muddled faster when you are answering 3 people on one post.
--Dancougar

 

[DigitalMan]

It really isn't that hard of a concept, people. Poser is not a 3D modeling application. At all. No, I don't give an aeronautical fornication that it produces 3D graphics. It is not a 3D modelling application, because it does not have the ability to allow 3D modelling within it. The tools are simply not present.

Because of this, I have reason to believe that Poser creations, if allowed at all, should be placed with the SecondLife shots, and real 3D modelling works should be placed somewhere else.

If you really, truly want to be a 3D modeller, there's no excuse not to. Need a program? Try Blender, or some other free program if you don't like piracy. Myself? I use the latest version of 3D Studio. On an old 1.6Ghz laptop with no graphics card to speak of. Oh, yeah, it's a real powerhouse!

I am well aware that people post their crappy drawings and stick figures online. They shouldn't. My feelings toward crappy artwork are not limited to the third dimension.

Have you seen my gallery? It's empty. It always has been. Why? Because I have yet to create anything - model or drawing - that I feel is worth viewing here. My DA gallery has some things, but I primarily model objects, nothing furry related. I have modelled my own character multiple times, but none of them good enough to show off, and I refuse to stoop so low as to use a model by someone else. The pride I feel when I create even a simple a model from scratch is something beyond the reach of Poser users, and it's not something I would trade for the world.

Also, I'll have you know, the Poser program, models and commercially available download packs were not created so you could go off, drag the items into a scene, and call it your own. It may be legal (if you really did purchase them), but the real purpose of Poser is not to create artwork at all - it was designed from the start to be used in various industries to show off a product or concept, without needing a professional modeller on the team. In other words, it's so easy anyone can do it, by its very design and purpose.

I really wish I could say I'm sorry about the people who are leaving, but... What the hell am I saying? That's awesome! These people are taking down their crap of their own free will!

 

[foxystallion]

FUR AFFINITY
ACCEPTABLE UPLOAD POLICY (AUP)
Revised: Jan 19, 2009
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Photography
Fur Affinity allows Users to post photography provided the following criteria are met:

• Prohibited - Photographs containing exposed human genitalia, breasts or buttocks are not permitted. This includes, but not limited to; images depicting explicit and/or implicit sexual acts, images focusing on the genitals of animals or images containing items of sexual nature (adult toys, sexually modified fursuits/plush animals, etc.)....

I would appreciate :iconDragoneer:'s comments on whether I understand the above section the way that he intends it to be understood:

1. Exposed human genitalia, exposed pubic hair, exposed human buttocks, and exposed female human breasts (but not male breasts) are prohibited. Right?

2. Painted genitalia, painted pubic hair, and and painted female nipples are allowed. Right?

3. I understand that I may have to submit the aforementioned painted Photoshop layers to an FA admin on demand and have no problem with doing so provided that the request is made before the irreversible deletion of all the Viewers' Comments below the image in question. If the FA admin deletes the submission image ONLY before checking, that isn't a problem because it can be replaced by the artist when the image is proven AUP compliant. Deleted Viewer's Comments can NOT be replaced after the body parts in question are proven painted rather than being a photograph. OK? Do you consider this to be a reasonable restriction on admin deletions to prevent the irreversible deletion of Viewer's Comments below an image that is subsequently proven not violate the AUP?

4. Is completely covering human buttocks and female breasts with Photoshop created fur considered not "exposed"? Even 1" long photomorphed fur conceals far more than than than AUP compliant 1/8" thick T-shirts and 1/32" tights, and my fur is always at least 1" long.

A good leader accepts the moral responsibility of making his rules unambiguous to both his subordinates (his FA admins), and to those who are subject to his rules (all FA members). Please accept the responsibility of being a good leader and do the FA photomorph community the courtesy of answering these simple but vital questions. You are the owner and you make the rules.

What we emphatically do not want is the arbitrary and capricious interpretation of your rules by certain of FA's admins, nor do we want these certain FA admins to be able to refuse to look at artist submitted evidence of compliance.

Thank you very much!

 

[Dancougar]

Your post is kinda irrelevant and moreover, nonsensical.

I apologize. To clarify, You put the onus on the merit of skill on the honing of years of experience, I made reference to an art school which draws in those that have no skills or talent, promises them the moon and stars and trains them into cookie-cutter would-be freelancers. That school was formally known as Al Collins Graphic Design school, now known as Collins College when they added on new lines of curriculum. An attempt to clean up their name and rep.

The second part refers to the fact that I was made aware of in a Art Marketing class that I took, simply put, unless one is bringing down serious cash, the federal government does not recognize us as freelance artists as anything more than hobbists. Thus freelance artists have to fight to get recognition and survive in this country.
--Dancougar

 

[cosmofur]

I have a question that I have not seen yet (or I missed)

I'm a blender and daz studio person myself I only use poser when I need a quick cloth simulation which I export to blender to finish. Yes blender has its own soft body code, but for quick work I find it clumsy. I make many of my own props and skins and a my own handful of characters (based on standard models but heavily modified), so I "think" most of my work is AUP safe...yet some pieces are clearly borderline.

THAT IS when they are taken alone, but my question is, when you create a sequence of art that tells a story...a comic strip in particular, whether it has speech bubbles or not. Can not the 'story' cover the 'original content' requirement?

Stories are certainty original work, and nothing about the AUP is referencing the written works. So when simple stock characters are visual actors in an original story, does that make them, in group, original work, even if a particular piece does not in itself have any original props or figures?

 

[Armaetus]

Because Wookiee has also created several poser renderings in addition to his paintings. They also had a lot of favorites and were very well done. He deleted them because the new AUP says they're not acceptable, and he said in his journal he didn't want to argue about it.

I only assumed that since I don't watch Wookiee.

 

[wolfbird]

THe thing is this: no everyone can create 3D models and even if they could, not everyone have the programs to do that. A full version of 3DS Max costs as much as a high-end PC (around 2500 to 3000 Dollars) that you will need to even run that program properly (we all know 3DS Max uses a a lot of hardware resoruces).

Oh. My. God.

What kind of crack are you on, paying that much for a computer? I own a $500 rig and it can run older versions of Max just fine. I don't know how to use said program, but two of my best friends do. The computer I currently use is a Frankenstein of older parts my partner was no longer using and mine can run an older version of Max just fine (version 7 or so, possibly 8 ). My partner built his beast of a rig by himself for under CA$1000 and I've seen him use Max with no issues. My other friend has a more costly rig, but still under the price range you gave and is one of the meanest computers I've ever seen.

Also, Max WANTS you to pirate their program. When I say "you" I mean no-name artist who doesn't make a living off it. Max and a lot of other art programs are made to be easy to pirate for the simple fact that if it's easy to steal, you will learn on it. When you get a job after learning on it, you will buy it. So will your company. Max does not expect nonprofessionals to shell out money for something they use for recreational purposes. If you don't buy it and make a name for yourself commercially, Max will come and rape you with lawsuits. But before that? No.

Also, there are such things as render farms to take strain away from your main rig. I will not attempt to claim I know everything about them, but as I understand the idea is to get at least one other rig and have it crunch numbers for you while you work on other things on your main computer. Render farms don't seem to be either essential nor expensive-- I have heard that people will often use older computers they are no longer using.

From Autodesk's site (http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=5659453) :

At a minimum, 3ds Max 2009 32-bit software requires a system with:
· Intel Pentium IV or AMD Athlon XP or higher processor
· 512 MB RAM (1 GB recommended)
· 500 MB swap space (2 GB recommended)
· Hardware-accelerated OpenGL and Direct3D supported
· Microsoft Windows-compliant pointing device (optimized for Microsoft IntelliMouse)
· DVD-ROM drive


From SmithMicro's site (who publishes Poser this week):

Windows

• Windows 2000, XP or Vista
• 700 MHz Pentium class or compatible (1 GHz or faster recommended)
• 512 MB system RAM (768 MB or more recommended)
• OpenGL enabled graphics card or chipset recommended (recent NVIDIA GeForce and ATI Radeon preferred)
• 24-bit color display, 1024 x 768 resolution
• 1 GB free hard disk space (4 GB recommended)
• Internet connection required for Content Paradise
• DVD-ROM drive

Would you look at that. They're just about the fucking same. Therefor, if you can run crappy Poser, you can run Max. The real issue is whether you want to bother to learn to use Max and create your own work.

 

[Aden]

Wookiee: 6,834 watchers. Deleted his own submissions.
DragonFood: 2,520 watchers. Afraid his gallery will be deleted. Moving to another site.

Several artists on my watch list are leaving or have left already. These are poser artists that me and thousands or even tens of thousands of other community members are watching.

Won't someone think of the popular people? D:

But look on the bright side. That's 2,520 less messages the server has to spit out every time some hack poses some premade models so it looks like they're fucking each other and posts it on the internet.

Yes, its hard to get ones mind around unreasoning hatred. Its unfathomable to those who are open minded and accepting to the works of others no matter how they came about it. Its not the tools used in the creation, its the end result that matters. Yes they are people that put the time and toil into making their own stuff, but feel that all have to go through the same thing and that all should be on the same footing as they. Art ain't like that. It comes from people who have a variety of different methods and use them to put out works that reflect their artistic vision. In the end argument is about the pushing of personal tastes and intolerance. Recently there was a court ruling that demanded that a country club change thier rules to let women into their previously men-only resteraunt. Discrimination is discrimination. Entity A makes rules that curtail or forbid the involvement of population B, it is discrimination, and discrimination is wrong.

All I've been hearing is "if I find meaning in this dirty sock I found in an alley, by god it's just as good as this digital painting that someone put 55 hours into".

Okay, so you've made a picture in Poser. It has a meaning, and therefore it is art. Cool. Art is subjective; one can still appreciate the meaning regardless of how much effort was put into the work. We have all known this all along.

There are a lot of other art sites out there that agree with that stance. However, this particular art site does seem to care about what effort went into a piece. Either put some work into it or take it somewhere else. All the carefully thought-out arguments in the world don't change the fact that most of the disallowed pictures' content was not made by you.

And did I just see you compare the AUP of a furry art site to the struggle for women's rights? I'm sure they heard my facepalm in China.

Thats right, they did it to make money, They found a way to make their skills pay well, and more than likely its the naysayers that didn't. Thats what it boils down to. Loss of customers takes the food out of their mouths. The more customers that are driven off, the more money they lose. Talk about hatred of ones own kind. Before you retort and say that you are nothing like them, you are, because you are a modeler, and so are they. LIke I said before, they just found a way to make it pay. It would be no different if say they sold their wares in the native file source to the users of that particular program. One can say that they are prostituting themselves out, for a buck, but isn't that what one does when one either freelances, or works for a company? In the end your work goes to someone else for a fee.

So, because your kind of art was banned from a furry art site, nobody will buy these peoples' models and they'll all starve and die. Gotcha.

And yes, I am like them. I will one day be using my skillset for money. I sure hope I pick a better career path than making Poser models.

 

[Aden]

Also, Max WANTS you to pirate their program. When I say "you" I mean no-name artist who doesn't make a living off it. Max and a lot of other art programs are made to be easy to pirate for the simple fact that if it's easy to steal, you will learn on it. When you get a job after learning on it, you will buy it. So will your company. Max does not expect nonprofessionals to shell out money for something they use for recreational purposes. If you don't buy it and make a name for yourself commercially, Max will come and rape you with lawsuits. But before that? No.

Holy crap, someone gets it. Autodesk can easily issue takedown notices for every torrent and RapidShare link to Maya they find with a simple Google search, but they willfully ignore that path. They know that the big bucks come from the professional studios and the independent freelancers that can afford to shell out $5k per license.

Also, there are such things as render farms to take strain away from your main rig. I will not attempt to claim I know everything about them, but as I understand the idea is to get at least one other rig and have it crunch numbers for you while you work on other things on your main computer. Render farms don't seem to be either essential nor expensive-- I have heard that people will often use older computers they are no longer using.

There are online services, too. Upload/FTP your scene file, they render it with their super metric fuckton render box array for a small fee, and the completed image or sequence gets sent back to you.

\Sorry for the double-post.

 

[Dancougar]

It really isn't that hard of a concept, people. Poser is not a 3D modeling application. At all. No, I don't give an aeronautical fornication that it produces 3D graphics. It is not a 3D modelling application, because it does not have the ability to allow 3D modelling within it. The tools are simply not present.

Because of this, I have reason to believe that Poser creations, if allowed at all, should be placed with the SecondLife shots, and real 3D modelling works should be placed somewhere else.

If you really, truly want to be a 3D modeller, there's no excuse not to. Need a program? Try Blender, or some other free program if you don't like piracy. Myself? I use the latest version of 3D Studio. On an old 1.6Ghz laptop with no graphics card to speak of. Oh, yeah, it's a real powerhouse!

I am well aware that people post their crappy drawings and stick figures online. They shouldn't. My feelings toward crappy artwork are not limited to the third dimension.

Have you seen my gallery? It's empty. It always has been. Why? Because I have yet to create anything - model or drawing - that I feel is worth viewing here. My DA gallery has some things, but I primarily model objects, nothing furry related. I have modelled my own character multiple times, but none of them good enough to show off, and I refuse to stoop so low as to use a model by someone else. The pride I feel when I create even a simple a model from scratch is something beyond the reach of Poser users, and it's not something I would trade for the world.

Also, I'll have you know, the Poser program, models and commercially available download packs were not created so you could go off, drag the items into a scene, and call it your own. It may be legal (if you really did purchase them), but the real purpose of Poser is not to create artwork at all - it was designed from the start to be used in various industries to show off a product or concept, without needing a professional modeller on the team. In other words, it's so easy anyone can do it, by its very design and purpose.

I really wish I could say I'm sorry about the people who are leaving, but... What the hell am I saying? That's awesome! These people are taking down their crap of their own free will!

You are correct, Poser is not a modeler, it is a character generator. As for is function, this as from the Smith Micro website on the program's page. 'Easily design, pose and animate your dream 3D figure with Poser 7. Click to create photorealistic human imagery, fantasy art, illustrations, Flash movies, cartoons, and much more.

Poser provides the easiest way to design with the human form in 3D. Using the rich collection of content included and powerful rendering to produce any style art, creative professionals, graphic artists and hobbyists can create stunning art, fine illustration and breathtaking animation for applications that integrate the diversity and spirit of human imagery.

Tutorials and SamplesWith Poser, you can design using the human form for art, illustration, comics, pre-viz/storyboarding, medical visualization, animation, architecture and education - essentially everywhere your creative mind may take you as you design for print, video, film, or web!

Smith Micro owns Content Paradise. One of the major sites for obtaining stuff for the program. They got it along with everything else that E-Frontier USA owned when they bought it all. Now if they didn't want there to be any external content available then they would have shut it down and possibly pursued some manner of legal action against everyone. That didn't happen because they know there is an artistic community behind the program which has been in place for years and years. If they didn't want anyone to make add ons for their program, you would be seeing tons of releases from them and none from third parties. The most that you can compare it to is rather like working on your own car. You can take whatever parts needed and tune it to meet your needs.
--Dancougar

 

[Sheena-Tiger]

I'm a blender and daz studio person myself I only use poser when I need a quick cloth simulation which I export to blender to finish.

generally bad luck if not for the part i cut.
the custom stuff seems in your case quite much, so i think it would be fine.

about illustrating an original comic/story... dunno... from my feeling i would say "thats ok" but thats a guess from a normal user ^^

Won't someone think of the popular people? D:

But look on the bright side. That's 2,520 less messages the server has to spit out every time some hack poses some premade models so it looks like they're fucking each other and posts it on the internet.

umm... really Aden... i tried to ignore your flaming but this...
as far as i remember, most renderpics i saw on FA are definitly not for XXX-content. i myself feel some urge to make some interesting renders in that direction too, but thats far from what i use it for. take a look at my gallery in FA plus the new ones over at my DA-account, there is no XXX-render

 

[DigitalMan]

@cosmofur: I can't claim that simply adding a story to posed pre-made characters would be allowed. But you get bonus points for at least coming closer to its real purpose.

@wolfbird: You can go to MAX 9, easy (I skipped 2008, so I don't know). 2009 added features that take a little more power, but not much.

@Aden: You'd be utterly amazed at how few people get it. Hell, take a trip to maxforums.org and you'll be slammed for pirating the program - no matter how many of the people there do it themselves. Hobbyists are not expected to shell out $2,500 for this program, not $5,000 for Maya. One of the makers of 3D Studio plugins, Cebas, is also aware of this, and offers a smaller (less helpful) section of their forum just for people who pirate their plugins.

@Dancougar: Look very closely at what it says Poser is to be used for. Storyboarding. Medical visualization. Architecture. Even the mentions of using it for art don't mention anything about using it alone - you are supposed to "design with the human form". As in, use it as a base - not the focus.

If you are going to attempt to use Poser for anything artistic, I'm afraid you're going to need something more - it will not function as a stand-alone program in such a situation.

 

[Aurali]

hrmm...

Let's say it like this.. Poser is the Alice of the modeling world..

They both can teach, but they are both still hunks of junk that gain no real value..

 

[Aden]

I'm a blender and daz studio person myself I only use poser when I need a quick cloth simulation which I export to blender to finish. Yes blender has its own soft body code, but for quick work I find it clumsy.

Blender has a dedicated cloth solver, too. Combine that with the new Shrinkwrap modifier and you have some kickass clothing in under 20 minutes.

umm... really Aden... i tried to ignore your flaming but this...
as far as i remember, most renderpics i saw on FA are definitly not for XXX-content. i myself feel some urge to make some interesting renders in that direction too, but thats far from what i use it for. take a look at my gallery in FA plus the new ones over at my DA-account, there is no XXX-render

I just added the "so it looks like they're fucking each other" bit because of the example that Skant gave.

And I'm not "flaming", I'm "disagreeing aggressively".

 

[Sheena-Tiger]

I just added the "so it looks like they're fucking each other" bit because of the example that Skant gave.

And I'm not "flaming", I'm "disagreeing aggressively".

*blinks* just added? whatever ^^; sorry its quite early for me, 5am... and it seems i will not be able to sleep before midday thanks to checking of some stuff like used water at my parents flat -.-

but in my opinion you are insulting/flaming most of the time

 

[Quiet269]

I have a question that I have not seen yet (or I missed)

I'm a blender and daz studio person myself I only use poser when I need a quick cloth simulation which I export to blender to finish. Yes blender has its own soft body code, but for quick work I find it clumsy. I make many of my own props and skins and a my own handful of characters (based on standard models but heavily modified), so I "think" most of my work is AUP safe...yet some pieces are clearly borderline.

THAT IS when they are taken alone, but my question is, when you create a sequence of art that tells a story...a comic strip in particular, whether it has speech bubbles or not. Can not the 'story' cover the 'original content' requirement?

Stories are certainty original work, and nothing about the AUP is referencing the written works. So when simple stock characters are visual actors in an original story, does that make them, in group, original work, even if a particular piece does not in itself have any original props or figures?

I believe if I read right they do, but they must be in comic book style... as in you cannot post 50 sequence pictures that are just full sized images... They must follow the flow of a comic

 

[wolfbird]

@DigitalMan: I dunno, I really don't have a whole lot of technical knowledge. I'm just a geek's girlfriend and it rubs off on me. Even if I could do Max 9, I think I'd settle for 7. Up until three or so years ago I was using a 2001 version of Adobe Photoshop and found it pretty OK for my light usage. I'm sure Max works in the same way with older versions, and since I never do any sort of maintenance on my computer I think it'd be better if I didn't start installing things I don't really need on it, lulz.

 

[Kefan]

See what you said there just killed your argument - it's a skill. A skill is something you acquire. Your sob story doesn't work art takes years to learn. If it's not something you want to dedicate to, maybe this is the wrong site to get angry of shortcomings from your own hobby. There are other sites to still post to if you must that kind of material.

Oh, I'm not angry about my shortcomings as an artist. I accept them. This is not my primary form of expression, it's something I do every now and then because it amuses me to, and judging by the comments on some of my pieces, it amuses those who watch me as well.

That said, if you're going to take stick figure art and say that's okay and say this is not, you're being hypocritical. Anyone can draw a stick figure. Anyone (by your arguments) can make a 3D render with stock figures.

You can't have two different anyones.

Last I recall there is also nothing in FA's TOS or AUP that says a user must submit every work he/she creates to this site. Posting is not creating, as stated before. Do not mix up the two. There is no process on FA that has stopped you from creating, there are however guidelines to what you can post.

The problem is not what the policy is trying to do--the goal of which, I agree with. The problem is where the line is drawn. In order to deal with the people who really appear to not give a damn, you're throwing out those of us who do give a damn.

That's right, I don't know what's going on in your head or really quite honestly it's not anyone's problem. I don't have to care if you can't model on your own. No one in his/her right mind should. This is your own progress, and your own battle. Guess what, for the most part that's like that with every other artistic medium. Do you think honestly most of the audience cares if you spent 1 year or four trying to perfect your work? Do you think most even have a clue or give a crap how much a good sable hair brush costs and how much I had to personally spend on art supplies traditionally? Do people give a crap if you cut yourself trying to string a guitar or how many other nicks and scratches you got. Seriously, for the most part get over it, most people don't care or understand even if they're another artist. It's part of the nature of the beast.

Right. You shouldn't have to care whether I use stock or not. Because the message in the image is more important than the tools.

The reason I explained myself was, judging by the way you handle other comments, your first reply would've been some snarky BS about how I should've given it more than five minutes before whining about not being able to do it.

Damn right it's the nature of the beast. And you're still dodging my central question, and I am going to repeat it again: which is more creative? Creating a model and just churning out mindless centerfold after mindless centerfold, or actually trying to tell a story even with stock props?

 

[Little_Dragon]

.... but the real purpose of Poser is not to create artwork at all - it was designed from the start to be used in various industries to show off a product or concept, without needing a professional modeller on the team.

It was developed as a digital replacement for artists' posable wooden mannequins.

 

[TakeWalker]

I think the argument can be summed up by a quote from a favorite movie of mine:

We're not saying you can't own a gun.

We're just saying you can't carry a gun while you're in town!

Also, the stick figure argument holds no water. The point isn't across-the-board artistic quality, it's artistic quality from Poser. Stop looking for single rules and learn to live with case-by-case bases. I mean, really; just because someone can upload stick figure porn, why can't I shove mashed potatoes in my ears and do the hula on the Washington Monument?

 

[dmfalk]

Actually copyright law trumps the AUP since the server resides in the US, and therefore all rules here have to obey the laws of the US. They are not independent nations unto themselves. AUPS for different sites are as varied as the stars in the sky, and by and far the most part are made just by the individuals who run the site, not lawyers who know of such things. As for here, If it did then they wouldn't have content up which would no doubt violate blue laws in practically state in the country if not most of the world. Not a good thing when works are categorized as either Fetishes / Furry (Tame), and Fetishes / Furry (Adult) Then have long listings of different types going on down to artwork of Pokemon, Digimon, and Sonic. I am sure that Nintendo, Bandai, and Sega would just be thrilled to death to know that thier characters are listed as fetish types here. It's stuff like that which gives the site and the fandom more of a black-eye than 3D Krystal doing naughty things with foxy-fox. Although admittedly that art just adds to it, but hey, who are we kidding, the standard deluge of 2D art generally outguns the 3D by quite a margin. So which is the bigger threat?

As per numerous US Supreme Court decisions (Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders v. "Debbie Does Dallas", Acuff-Rose v. Campbell, for example), prurient content is allowable and protected as per the First Amendment, providing that it's not in violation of obscenity laws. The status of "cub art" (allowable on FA) is not clear, considering that I'm not sure if the law that was used to limit non-photographic creative art under child pornography has been struck down on constitutionality issues. (If I'm not mistaken, it has by a lower Federal court, and the US Supreme court has refused to hear the case, leaving that strikedown stand.)

But yes, fan art of an adult (sexual) nature is perfectly legal and allowable under "Fair Use". The degree of originality (ie: modifying a "clean" work) may not be, unless the drawing or writing itself is reasonably original.

d.m.f.

 

[kamperkiller]

Nice to see your cracking down..or trying to save the servers from bursting into flame under the load of most of the fandom using FA as a freakish Photobucket/MySpace/DA hybrid. More rules I say, more.

It's less load and more compleat code fail.

 

[Arshes Nei]

Damn right it's the nature of the beast. And you're still dodging my central question, and I am going to repeat it again: which is more creative? Creating a model and just churning out mindless centerfold after mindless centerfold, or actually trying to tell a story even with stock props?

*Draws a big circle for you* (that my friend is your argument) I didn't dodge at all, you're suffering from myopic reasoning. We said already it wasn't defining art or "who is more creative" as you've now turned it, FA draws the line at just using Poser w/o any of your own user content at all.

It's not a matter of you can't doing it, you simply won't and you're getting angry at the wrong people for your own shortcomings.

It doesn't stop you from posting elsewhere.

That is all there is to your argument unfortunately, you can try rephrasing things, but again, it's a circular argument that really needs to stop.