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IanKeith

I'm Not Regret
IMHO you've all just harassed RANQuickFox on FurAffinity's website where it's FA's business to ban you if you do.

But that's just me.

There's a difference between 'disagreeing with' and 'harassing'. Learn it.
 

nobuyuki

Member
"Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!!"
 

Kushaba

Foxy Arcade Lurker!
does this mean we can't make dragon jokes or fox jokes or wolf jokes on the site anymore?:confused:
 

Icen

Poisonous Plant Woman
Wow. I don't even know where to go with this.

I like my freedom of speech and privacy QBF. Get the fuck out of my internet-life and stay the fuck away from it.
 

Lyxen

Revivalst
aint the internet like a place where we can say anything we want?, there are no rules...i mean spam sucks, but the internet is pure anarchy!! why not keep it that way and never answer spammers that you think are spammers, let the moderate moderation do it's work on laying down the ban hammer,, dont knwo really what saying....
 

Armaetus

Nazis, Communists and Antifa don't belong on FA
Re: The Internet is indeed serious business

Honestly, why do you care so much that someone somewhere is saying something on some site about someone on FA? This is not a massive deal. "OH NOES SOME ONE IS SAYING SOMETHING NEGATIVE ABOUT US FURRIEZ!!" Do you honestly think whining is going to solve the problem? Has whining EVER solved the problem? No, it hasn't.

You really want to do something to make people see the furry fandom in a positive light? Every time xChan/wtf_fa/SA or someone else starts saying something "mean, nasty and awful (or more frequently "truthful and hilarious") about furries. Instead of going with your gut reaction and whining about it as loud as you possibly can like a good chunk of the fandom has done since dinosaurs and raw telnet roamed the Earth, why not try this...

..Try ignoring it. No, I'm serious. People will get sick of trolling you if you don't give them the reaction they are looking for. It's really, really simple. Just click that Red X in the corner of the screen and go on with your life.

I wish more furries would follow the last section of this post and there would not be massive amounts of butthurt folks bitching on their Myspace/LJ/FA journal.
 

Icen

Poisonous Plant Woman
OKAY WAIT I JUST THOUGHT OF A GOOD COMPARISON FOR THIS </endcaps>

Jacob, an 18-year-old senior in high school, smokes cigarettes. He doesn't smoke them on school campus or within the limited amount of feet around any school campus. Hell, he doesn't even bring his cigarettes to school. He buys them himself and, by law, that's totally okay. But, by law, he doesn't bring them to a public high school due to the no tolerance policy.

Some teacher, who is super against smoking, finds out that he smokes cigarettes. He brings the school council together and wants to punish any kids who smoke cigarettes, regardless they are of legal age and do not do it in/around schools. The others tell him that's basically retarded, because these kids are 18 and can legally do what they want with cigs as long as they don't break school rules. They can't monitor these kids behavior outside of school.

Of course, this is suggesting that ALL kids in this perfect high school smoke cigs after they turn 18 and not around/in campus.

So there's my comparison. As retarded as it is.

(I have a hunch someone is gonna pop in with school-rules-and-outside-of-schools-because-it's-a-public-school stuff or something.)
 

AshleyAshes

Arcade Snowmew Of Doom
"Dear LiveJournal.com,

We run the website FurAffinity.com. It has come to our attention that some people have been using your website and communities on your website to talk and say mean things behind the backs of some of our users. Surely you understand that this is unacceptable, so could you please provide the IP addresses that have accessed the following LiveJournal accounts..."


Seems like a flawless plan to me.
 

capthavoc123

Master of Disaster
Ahem.

When I last brought this issue to your attention I was basically told 'the AUP doesnt cover it' and that apparently was that.

Now you say you want feedback? Well then I have some for you.

Ban users who conduct harassment of other FA users via off-site means, particularly WTF_FA LJ and anonib/dramachan. They are mocking the spirit of the AUP they agreed to when they made accounts on this site... letting them go unpunished when you know what they are doing is wrong is nothing short of condoning their actions.

It should be a simple matter for you to confirm identities VIA IP tracking.

Using FA is a privelage, and just because the majority of users enjoy it free of charge doesnt mean they get to take it for granted. All it would take to make FA a better site for all of us is the occasional demonstration that all users are accountable for their actions towards other users, whatever means they exploit to try to avoid the consequences; that nowhere on the internet is a safe haven for harassment.

In other words, Im saying you dont have to turn a blind eye to harassment just because it occurs on your doorstep rather than in your livingroom.

Let your arm reach far, and wield the ban-hammer like a righteous flaming sword.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

People who bash FA and FA users on other sites are not violating the AUP by definition.

This would be like punishing an eighteen-year-old US citizen for drinking while on vacation in England. You cannot violate the rules of your place while you are in another place.
 

Alchera

Member
I dont see why a site that is dedicated in its entirety to discussion of happenings on FA and populated almost exclusively of FA users should be exempt from the FA AUP.

Remember, these are BAD PEOPLE Im talking about here; immature and antisocial douchebags who get their jollies at the expense of other FA users. By holding their little hate-parties on another domain, yet confining the content of their discussions and activities to FA, they are effectively thumbing their collective noses at the FA admins and chanting "nyah nyah, cant catch us!". And its true, Dragoneer might not be able to affect what they do on other domains and nor should he... but that doesnt mean he should be overcome with inexplicable amnesia the moment these same offenders log onto FA with the expectation of equal and harassment-free access to its services; they very same services they attempt to make unusuable for other FA users when not enjoying them theirselves.

There is no need for Dragoneer to cripple himself with retarded 'rules of engagement' much like those that can be seen today on many a foreign battlefield... just because the enemy drops his gun and walks away doesnt make him any less a viable target... not if you dont want to be constantly on the recieving end of attacks by a foe who isnt playing by the same rules you are.

What happens off the website and forums is not the concern of FA's Administration, nor should it be unless the activities present a risk to the functioning of the site itself. Outside of the website and forums, the FA Administration has no power whatsoever when it comes to the types of people you speak of. These are not just rules Dragoneer and the others follow--anyone sensible who runs a community does the same thing. What happens on other websites happens on difference servers which are not controlled by the same people.

As for such people being 'bad'. That is merely opinion simply because they do not follow the same points of view and mannerisms you do. Keep in mind you do not know them or why they might try to provoke people.
 

Dragonhawknumber

Sir Retardton from Lollerlot
The vast majority of the people who disagree with me are WFA_FA and dramachan users... the only reason there are so many of them posting in this thread is because it was linked on their respective sites.

I mean, no kidding there are going to be a few hundred people who violently disagree with me on this topic... pointing that out doesnt really strengthen the argument against me.

Im sure that the vast majority of FA users would agree with me when I say : FA users who harass other FA users should be banned from using FA, and there shouldnt be any loopholes in that rule that allow them to get away with it.


Duuuuuuuuuuude!

How did you ever...

EVER

EEEEEEEEEEEVER

ever survived High School with that attitude "BAW BAW BAW ANYONE WHO MAKES FUN OF ME NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL >:C"

Seriously, HOW did you? I'm shocked :O
 

Surgat

Where is your mod now?
Freehaven said:
2.) Calmly (and privately) ask the admins of the site to do something about the offending content, and wait and see what happens. (It beats whining about it publically.)

Tried this. The people who administrate such sites are not reasonable people, they do not respond favourably to polite requests. Honestly, what kind of people do you THINK administrate these kind of sites? They are as immature and morally bankrupt as the worst of their users.

RQF, you think "reasonable" means "agrees with me [RQF]," and that being polite means insulting people and making vague threats when they don't do what you want.

Man, I just don't get you. You can't see how you're being hypocritical with some of your statements in this thread (or you're hoping other people won't notice)?

Your suggestion is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. A website's rules explain how users can interact on that website. Hence, we don't ban someone from the FAF because they repeatedly derailed threads or posted regular porn on a *chan board (as a tripfag), from the mainsite because they posted someone else's artwork on lulz.net, why I don't ban someone from wtf_fa because they made a post about someone they've had personal drama with on another community like sf_drama or fuckyoulist, DA doesn't ban people for posting furry porn on FA or VCL, etc.

They'd have to ban anyone and everyone who works in advertising too, since advertisements are considered spam on the forums.

Plus, the internet is fucking huge, and it includes things like online games, IM's, IRC, private forums, blog/article comments, and multiple languages, and people have different aliases on different websites. There are no trouble tickets or report buttons on any of these for FA admins/moderators. It's not even possible to police offsite behavior effectively.

And what would such a policy be for? So you could take revenge on a few people who said some unflattering (but true) things about you and an artist you like, and who refused to delete their posts, after LJ abuse undoubtedly failed to be "reasonable." Most FA users probably don't give a shit about what goes on at wtf_fa or dramachan.

You don't care about anyone featured on wtf_fa, you don't care about closing loopholes in site rules, all you care about is furthering your little vendetta. This is evident from your use of insults and willingness to make threats. You only think the administrators will buy your argument because you cannot conceive that you might be wrong, or that reasonable people might disagree with you.
 
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Takun

Wof Wof Wof Wof Wof
RQF, you think "reasonable" means "agrees with me [RQF]," and that being polite means insulting people and making vague threats when they don't do what you want.

Man, I just don't get you. You can't see how you're being hypocritical with some of your statements in this thread (or you're hoping other people won't notice)?

Your suggestion is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. A website's rules explain how users can interact on that website. Hence, we don't ban someone from the FAF because they repeatedly derailed threads or posted regular porn on a *chan board (as a tripfag), from the mainsite because they posted someone else's artwork on lulz.net, why I don't ban someone from wtf_fa because they made a post about someone they've had personal drama with on another community like sf_drama or fuckyoulist, DA doesn't ban people for posting furry porn on FA or VCL, etc.

They'd have to ban anyone and everyone who works in advertising too, since advertisements are considered spam on the forums.

Plus, the internet is fucking huge, and it includes things like online games, IM's, IRC, private forums, blog/article comments, and multiple languages, and people have different aliases on different websites. There are no trouble tickets or report buttons on any of these for FA admins/moderators. It's not even possible to police offsite behavior effectively.

And what would such a policy be for? So you could take revenge on a few people who said some unflattering (but true) things about you and an artist you like, and who refused to delete their posts, after LJ abuse undoubtedly failed to be "reasonable." Most FA users probably don't give a shit about what goes on at wtf_fa or dramachan.

You don't care about anyone featured on wtf_fa, you don't care about closing loopholes in site rules, all you care about is furthering your little vendetta. This is evident from your use of insults and willingness to make threats. You only think the administrators will buy your argument because you cannot conceive that you might be wrong, or that reasonable people might disagree with you.

Winner by T.K.O, Surgat
 

Volkodav

Dad****er
"Dear LiveJournal.com,

We run the website FurAffinity.com. It has come to our attention that some people have been using your website and communities on your website to talk and say mean things behind the backs of some of our users. Surely you understand that this is unacceptable, so could you please provide the IP addresses that have accessed the following LiveJournal accounts..."


Seems like a flawless plan to me.

LOL IKR

They'd then have to ban anybody who says anything mean about another FA user on another website.

For example; I go on Gaiaonline and call Ran a douchebag.
SINCE WE'RE BOTH FA USERS I SHOULD GET BANNED BECAUSE IM BEING A MEANIE
 

Freehaven

Dammit.
RQF, you think "reasonable" means "agrees with me [RQF]," and that being polite means insulting people and making vague threats when they don't do what you want.

Man, I just don't get you. You can't see how you're being hypocritical with some of your statements in this thread (or you're hoping other people won't notice)?

Your suggestion is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. A website's rules explain how users can interact on that website. Hence, we don't ban someone from the FAF because they repeatedly derailed threads or posted regular porn on a *chan board (as a tripfag), from the mainsite because they posted someone else's artwork on lulz.net, why I don't ban someone from wtf_fa because they made a post about someone they've had personal drama with on another community like sf_drama or fuckyoulist, DA doesn't ban people for posting furry porn on FA or VCL, etc.

They'd have to ban anyone and everyone who works in advertising too, since advertisements are considered spam on the forums.

Plus, the internet is fucking huge, and it includes things like online games, IM's, IRC, private forums, blog/article comments, and multiple languages, and people have different aliases on different websites. There are no trouble tickets or report buttons on any of these for FA admins/moderators. It's not even possible to police offsite behavior effectively.

And what would such a policy be for? So you could take revenge on a few people who said some unflattering (but true) things about you and an artist you like, and who refused to delete their posts, after LJ abuse undoubtedly failed to be "reasonable." Most FA users probably don't give a shit about what goes on at wtf_fa or dramachan.

You don't care about anyone featured on wtf_fa, you don't care about closing loopholes in site rules, all you care about is furthering your little vendetta. This is evident from your use of insults and willingness to make threats. You only think the administrators will buy your argument because you cannot conceive that you might be wrong, or that reasonable people might disagree with you.

Owned.
 

Altera

Member
RQF, you think "reasonable" means "agrees with me [RQF]," and that being polite means insulting people and making vague threats when they don't do what you want.

Man, I just don't get you. You can't see how you're being hypocritical with some of your statements in this thread (or you're hoping other people won't notice)?

Your suggestion is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. A website's rules explain how users can interact on that website. Hence, we don't ban someone from the FAF because they repeatedly derailed threads or posted regular porn on a *chan board (as a tripfag), from the mainsite because they posted someone else's artwork on lulz.net, why I don't ban someone from wtf_fa because they made a post about someone they've had personal drama with on another community like sf_drama or fuckyoulist, DA doesn't ban people for posting furry porn on FA or VCL, etc.

They'd have to ban anyone and everyone who works in advertising too, since advertisements are considered spam on the forums.

Plus, the internet is fucking huge, and it includes things like online games, IM's, IRC, private forums, blog/article comments, and multiple languages, and people have different aliases on different websites. There are no trouble tickets or report buttons on any of these for FA admins/moderators. It's not even possible to police offsite behavior effectively.

And what would such a policy be for? So you could take revenge on a few people who said some unflattering (but true) things about you and an artist you like, and who refused to delete their posts, after LJ abuse undoubtedly failed to be "reasonable." Most FA users probably don't give a shit about what goes on at wtf_fa or dramachan.

You don't care about anyone featured on wtf_fa, you don't care about closing loopholes in site rules, all you care about is furthering your little vendetta. This is evident from your use of insults and willingness to make threats. You only think the administrators will buy your argument because you cannot conceive that you might be wrong, or that reasonable people might disagree with you.


I think I just developed a straightcrush on you.
 

Makyui

Kyaaah!
Defamation has a different precedent in Australia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutnick_v_Dow_Jones
Yes, I am able to sue foreign persons or business entities that defame me regardless of their location if what is published on an online discussion board is accessible here. Your US concept of 'freedom of speech' does not entitle you to legal protection in the international court.

That's not how it works at all. That very fact is why a... er, certain pirating website stationed in Sweden with the initials P.B. (I've no idea if saying their name is allowed, so if anyone thinks I'm making stuff up, note me and I'll tell you), despite numerous threats by major high-profile companies including Disney and Microsoft, has yet to be sued or forced to remove anything.

That's, of course, beside the fact of the matter: making commentary behind someone's back on another website is not harassment. If posting on snark sites is harassment, then I'm harassing Picasso right now for telling y'all that I think some of his paintings are ugly.

If Dragoneer sends Fiz or Surgat a request for the IP information of a poster on their sites involved in a harassment case, they are easily able to provide this information, and would not really be in a position to refuse.
Lawl, yes they would. They don't have to give out IPs to just anyone who asks.

For that matter (touching on the point Clayton brought up earlier), is this ruling of yours ONLY limited to WTF_FA and Dramachan? If it occurs anywhere else, is that within the reaches of the FA admins? If I post on some other non-snark message board waaay on the other side of the internet about how nasty someone's pic is on FA and it turns into a discussion on that site, is that exempt? Or should the mods play internet detective to make sure I don't make such commentary anywhere on the internet, ever?
 
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RANQuickFox

Homo Homini Lupus
RQF, you think "reasonable" means "agrees with me [RQF]," and that being polite means insulting people and making vague threats when they don't do what you want.
Id like to see how YOU define reasonable, seeing as you dont consider a politely worded request to remove specific defamatory topics and statements from a board YOU administrate as 'reasonable'. The response you gave me amounted to "no I wont because I dont like you and you cant force me, nyah nyah" -the very definition of an immature, unreasonable response.

Man, I just don't get you. You can't see how you're being hypocritical with some of your statements in this thread (or you're hoping other people won't notice)?
If Im being hypocritical about anything, why cant you actually reference what Im being hypocritical about? At least I bother to qualify my statements.

Your suggestion is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. A website's rules explain how users can interact on that website. Hence, we don't ban someone from the FAF because they repeatedly derailed threads or posted regular porn on a *chan board (as a tripfag), from the mainsite because they posted someone else's artwork on lulz.net, why I don't ban someone from wtf_fa because they made a post about someone they've had personal drama with on another community like sf_drama or fuckyoulist, DA doesn't ban people for posting furry porn on FA or VCL, etc.

They'd have to ban anyone and everyone who works in advertising too, since advertisements are considered spam on the forums.

Plus, the internet is fucking huge, and it includes things like online games, IM's, IRC, private forums, blog/article comments, and multiple languages, and people have different aliases on different websites. There are no trouble tickets or report buttons on any of these for FA admins/moderators. It's not even possible to police offsite behavior effectively.
You dont get my point in the slightest. This isnt about what any FA user is doing offsite that is unrelated to FA... its about how FA users are acting towards other FA users over what gets posted to FA.

You want to harass other FA users with impunity on some other site? Im not saying that anyone should (or could) be able to stop you, only that you should not expect to be able to take advantage of FA's services yourself if thats your attitude.

Honestly, what is the point of having anti-harassment clauses in the FA TOS if it doesnt actually do anything to prevent its users from being harassed? Im pointing out that right now there is a huge loophole that allows people to get around this rule, and that something should be done about it.

The only person that would be stopping you from doing such things is YOURSELF, because you've decided that you want to use FA for the purpose it is made for more than you want to indulge your desire to harass other FA users.

And what would such a policy be for? So you could take revenge on a few people who said some unflattering (but true) things about you and an artist you like
It should be clear from even a brief perusal of the topics in question that there is very little truth on display, and and overwhelming amount of libel/slander, hyperbole, assumptions, exadgeration and outright lies.

and who refused to delete their posts, after LJ abuse undoubtedly failed to be "reasonable."
LJ is an unmoderated cesspool and you know it. They dont care about communal harmony, only covering their own asses against legal threats.

Most FA users probably don't give a shit about what goes on at wtf_fa or dramachan.
Thats only because most FA users dont know these sites even exist. Its hard to avoid discovering them when you personally become a topic of discussion there however, and it only takes one person sending you a link and saying 'hey look at this' for you to find out. I think most people would object to being an object of discussion on either of those sites, if they had any say in the matter.

You don't care about anyone featured on wtf_fa, you don't care about closing loopholes in site rules, all you care about is furthering your little vendetta. This is evident from your use of insults and willingness to make threats.
I cant prove that I really care about anyone other than myself, no more than you can disprove that I do... but I can assert that I do, and that I honestly believe the changes I suggest would only be good for this community.

Why are you so dead against this? why is being able to defame, verbally abuse and harass other FA users offsite so important for you?

You only think the administrators will buy your argument because you cannot conceive that you might be wrong, or that reasonable people might disagree with you.
I think the merits of my argument are self-evident, and that the qualities displayed by those who post here opposing them only adds to their merit.
 

RANQuickFox

Homo Homini Lupus
That's not how it works at all. That very fact is why a... er, certain pirating website stationed in Sweden with the initials P.B. (I've no idea if saying their name is allowed, so if anyone thinks I'm making stuff up, note me and I'll tell you), despite numerous threats by major high-profile companies including Disney and Microsoft, has yet to be sued or forced to remove anything.
Its just a matter of time. All filesharing sites have a limited lifespan, they always get taken down eventually.

What does copyright law have to do with anti-defamation lawsuits anyway? Its apples and oranges. Your example simply demonstrates an embarrassing lack of comprehension about the subject being discussed.

That's, of course, beside the fact of the matter: making commentary behind someone's back on another website is not harassment. If posting on snark sites is harassment, then I'm harassing Picasso right now for telling y'all that I think some of his paintings are ugly.
When that person find out about it, its no longer happening BEHIND THEIR BACK. If its occurring on a publicly accessible forum, where it leaves a permanent (unless deliberately removed) record that can be accessed long after the comments are made, its hardly the same thing as a private offline conversation between two people.

Lawl, yes they would. They don't have to give out IPs to just anyone who asks.
If they dont themselves wish to be blocked from accessing FA, what choice would they have but to cooperate?
 

Takun

Wof Wof Wof Wof Wof
More like BAWQuickFox m i rite?

i m rite.
 

LadyHisoka

Lt. testbot at your service
Lawl, yes they would. They don't have to give out IPs to just anyone who asks.

You speak wisdom.

also to clarify a few things for others good satire is "Comedy Central's Roast of:" I believe they really had fun dissing on the Pedophile rumor on "everyone favorite Host" from funnest home videos.

Sites like Encyclopedia Dramatica and 4Chan are satire/Liable and CAN have charges pressed against them for their actions and articles, because they are not protected speech. (also posting pictures of people even altered without their permission is illegal regardless if they have it posted on a public website it's called right to personal image, there are only a hand full of exceptions all of have nothign to do with satire as much anything else.)

in my option if the admins want to ban some twat that writes a ED article on someone I am not gonna stop them, people like them need to be told "NO" in a harsh and predigest manner.

as for hurtful artwork I find such things to be mostly in ill-taste, basically I agree with Carlos if the person you are makeing fun of can't laugh at your joke it isn't funny. and speaking of the devil i will openly say I though his vegetarian joke was horrible. I know two people with Preteen allergies they are vegetarians because if they cant eat meat.
 

LadyHisoka

Lt. testbot at your service
Yes this conversation is kind of ridiculous in some cases and reminiscent of "MOMMY he dosen't agree with me."
 

Dragoneer

Site Developer
Staff member
Site Director
Ban users who conduct harassment of other FA users via off-site means, particularly WTF_FA LJ and anonib/dramachan. They are mocking the spirit of the AUP they agreed to when they made accounts on this site... letting them go unpunished when you know what they are doing is wrong is nothing short of condoning their actions.
Excuse me, but... no. Fur Affinity is not the Internet Police, the Furry FBI, the Knotted Inquisition or whatever other terms my brain will randomly generate.

What happens off site Fur Affinity is none of my business. I don't care. It's my business NOT to care. 4chan, anonib, dramachan, wtf_fa... what they do is not my concern. Do I necessarily agree with everything that happens on these sites? No. But my duty is to enforce the rules ON Fur Affinity and Fur Affinity ONLY. I judge people by their actions on this site and only this actions. If a user is trolling on our site it will be taken care of. It is not my place to judge people, only judge them by the site rules, and the site begins and ends with *.furaffinity.net. Nothing more.

For example:
Surgat abides by the rules of LiveJournal and Fur Affinity. Once again, do I necessarily agree with what Surgat does? No, but he abides by the rules and voices his opinion withing the constraints of LiveJournal and their Terms of Service. Should I ban Surgat for being an asshole offsite? If so, I'd have to ban myself and over half the site for their actions. We've all giggled, snickered or laughed at some image under our breath some time or another.

The only thing I care about, and all any FA admins should care about, is if people are obeying the rules of the site. I can not control what people do off site, at furmeets, in their bedroom or in their head. I can not, I will not.

To ask that we take action for what people do off site is to ask that the staff of Fur Affinity invade people's privacy. I'm not about to do that.
 

Freehaven

Dammit.
Excuse me, but... no. Fur Affinity is not the Internet Police, the Furry FBI, the Knotted Inquisition or whatever other terms my brain will randomly generate.

What happens off site Fur Affinity is none of my business. I don't care. It's my business NOT to care. 4chan, anonib, dramachan, wtf_fa... what they do is not my concern. Do I necessarily agree with everything that happens on these sites? No. But my duty is to enforce the rules ON Fur Affinity and Fur Affinity ONLY. I judge people by their actions on this site and only this actions. If a user is trolling on our site it will be taken care of. It is not my place to judge people, only judge them by the site rules, and the site begins and ends with *.furaffinity.net. Nothing more.

For example:
Surgat abides by the rules of LiveJournal and Fur Affinity. Once again, do I necessarily agree with what Surgat does? No, but he abides by the rules and voices his opinion withing the constraints of LiveJournal and their Terms of Service. Should I ban Surgat for being an asshole offsite? If so, I'd have to ban myself and over half the site for their actions. We've all giggled, snickered or laughed at some image under our breath some time or another.

The only thing I care about, and all any FA admins should care about, is if people are obeying the rules of the site. I can not control what people do off site, at furmeets, in their bedroom or in their head. I can not, I will not.

To ask that we take action for what people do off site is to ask that the staff of Fur Affinity invade people's privacy. I'm not about to do that.

And now RQF can shut his face. Thanks, 'Neer!
 
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