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Helluva Boss | Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

BadRoy

Snake awakens
Apologies if there's already a thread and I missed it.

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Let's talk about these dang VivziePop shows!
I'm interested to see what the consensus is because they are both so polarizing.

I gave Helluva Boss a shot literally only because of Loona and until ep. 6 I was just lukewarm on it. The writing, as even fans will admit, is all over the place. There are story and character threads that interested me early on, but then they'd be buried in over-long, over-edgy jokes and it was just a wash. The disjointed episodic plots don't bother me, but they definitely contributed to a feeling of "Where is this show going?"

Vivzie mentioned at one point that HB is 'about relationships,' and it feels like she's finally getting to the point with episodes 6 and 7.1 Blitzo has been varying shades of "off-putting prick" since the beginning with no real justification, but now that we're actually getting into his head it's making me want to revisit the show with new eyes.

Episode 7.1 turning the gag of "Haha, Stolas is pushy and treats Blitzo like a f*ckboy," into actual drama was mmm-good stuff. It gave me Beastars feels in terms of character drama. Their relationship is so messy and multifaceted, I kind of love it.

Anyway, what do you think? And are you only watching for Loona? 0w0
 
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Mambi

Fun loving kitty cat
That show is AWESOME!!! I loved them so far, laughed my butt off, hella fan of Loona of course, and look forward to seeing where it goes.
 

BadRoy

Snake awakens
for the record I totally called Loona having the effect she did when the original trailer dropped around early november 2019

And then the second the pilot came out at the end of the month, everyone in this fandom lost their collective minds
Well that was a safe bet. I'm pretty sure Loona was engineered in a laboratory to be as appealing to furries as possible.
 
Also a fan of the shows. Love the premise, style, voice acting and the songs are catchy.
Design-wise, I like Stolas even more than Loona (don't @ me), but Moxxie is actually my favorite character.
 

TrishaCat

The Iron Masked Cat in the FAF
I love this cartoon
Suspect we'll get a release date on Hazbin once Helluva Boss's season finale airs. Viv's been saying there'll be news soon for Hazbin so the timing makes sense.
Loona is best girl and I hope they keep giving us these fun songs every now and again. I loved the bad trip song.
 

Loffi

Well-Known Member
Helluva is my #1 right now. It's perfect.
 
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I was totally expecting the same from Vortex, but oddly, nope
Guess there isn't as big a market for big himbo punk wolves
He feels like a really cheap interest point just to add a minor foil for luna.

My main gripe with this show is they are almost all recycled minor characters or spinoff non cannon tales from zoophobia (literally the entire cast of hazbin hotel as well...some with no changes like vaggie or angel, some with just a pallet change like allastor who went from a dopey vampiric underlying to a demonic lord), which is never getting finished. Loonas design is just recycled from the kesha wolf.

I like the art style, don't get me wrong. It's darker, but still comical and not trying to take itself too seriously... And it's cool that helluva is freely produced. But it just feels like the artists direction changes on a whim and has no issues alienating their entire fan Base and springboard and abandoning any project as soon as a new idea pops into their mind.

I personally expect it to get abandoned before it concludes. Or like hazbin, defacto abandoned before it really gets started ( it's not really sound financially or a business move to do one episode at a time for animated shows, even as a pitch there's usually 4-6 episodes created in a block) telling me it's a dead in the water pitch.
 

BadRoy

Snake awakens
My main gripe with this show is they are almost all recycled minor characters or spinoff non cannon tales from zoophobia (literally the entire cast of hazbin hotel as well...some with no changes like vaggie or angel, some with just a pallet change like allastor who went from a dopey vampiric underlying to a demonic lord), which is never getting finished. Loonas design is just recycled from the kesha wolf.

I like the art style, don't get me wrong. It's darker, but still comical and not trying to take itself too seriously... And it's cool that helluva is freely produced. But it just feels like the artists direction changes on a whim and has no issues alienating their entire fan Base and springboard and abandoning any project as soon as a new idea pops into their mind.
Oh, I didn't know about Zoophobia. I mean they're her characters, she can repurpose them however she wants, but that is a little on the lame side. Side note: Vivz character designs (especially the coloring) are my least favorite thing about her works. Well that and 50% of the dialogue, obviously.

And I agree, the production of these shows is very bizarre. I get the feeling Hazbin has been the darling from the get-go and HB is a very drawn out appetizer for it. Vivz could drop HB when Hazbin gets rolling, but then she'd piss off the fans who've been getting invested in that series for a year. That's why it's such a weird release plan. I know I don't care about Hazbin so if she drops HB I'll just be done with her work I guess. She and her team seem like the capricious types who pick up and drop projects as soon as they've moved on from them, so who can say.
 

The_biscuits_532

Eternally Confused Feline
He feels like a really cheap interest point just to add a minor foil for luna.

My main gripe with this show is they are almost all recycled minor characters or spinoff non cannon tales from zoophobia (literally the entire cast of hazbin hotel as well...some with no changes like vaggie or angel, some with just a pallet change like allastor who went from a dopey vampiric underlying to a demonic lord), which is never getting finished. Loonas design is just recycled from the kesha wolf.

I like the art style, don't get me wrong. It's darker, but still comical and not trying to take itself too seriously... And it's cool that helluva is freely produced. But it just feels like the artists direction changes on a whim and has no issues alienating their entire fan Base and springboard and abandoning any project as soon as a new idea pops into their mind.

I personally expect it to get abandoned before it concludes. Or like hazbin, defacto abandoned before it really gets started ( it's not really sound financially or a business move to do one episode at a time for animated shows, even as a pitch there's usually 4-6 episodes created in a block) telling me it's a dead in the water pitch.
The latest news indicates HB Season 2 is in production, but HH Season 1 is going to be aired beforehand, as it's had professional backing since mid-2020
 
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The latest news indicates HB Season 2 is in production, but HH Season 1 is going to be aired beforehand, as it's had professional backing since mid-2020
this is true, but also not entirely the whole story. Initially there were rumours shared that it got picked up by Netflix full time started on one of the podcasts for the show. Netflix never actually did as far as I could tell and it was a publicity stunt.
Then you had fan outrage ( I really don't get how a show with a singular actual episode) had a fan petition but it did and another studio (a24 who just picks up random orphan projects usually) announced they had picked it up. They also then own most of the odd projects they do end up taking ( ie they rewrite a lot...)

But all the publicity channels ( such as characters twitter pages) are at odds with the official produced short comics, which are also at odds with the show as we have seen. Constancy errors, cannon errors, even back story errors (helluva boss is also bad about this with references to people that no longer exist or were cut out). Other problems such as no one can die...but they have purge and some charactors are banned from some realms for murdering too many people.

It's just all over the place and feels like it's not well developed. It feels fractured and sort of dead in the water to me.
 

Loffi

Well-Known Member
I'm really liking the redesigns of the HH characters so far. They're pretty much the same, but with better coloring and they look a lot sharper. Alastor looks a little more proportional, with wider shoulders and smaller ears.
 

Schrodinger'sMeerkat

trash mammal
I would LOVE to show these to my old neighbor who thought everything was the devil trying to get in. She wouldn't even let her kids look at pictures of Pikachu because "Pokémon was demonic".
 

Rayd

profound asshole
ill never not be at least a little bitter that the zoophobia webcomic was pretty much canceled for HB/HH. ive tried to set aside my doubts and force myself to enjoy the two but i just couldn't. the humor doesn't really land for me, and i'm not too much of a fan of most of the character designs either. it's always felt to me that it's aimed towards a demographic wayyy younger than mine (and hey, maybe it is), and it gives me this unsettled feeling trying to watch it. zoophobia was far more subtle with their "edgy" themes, for lack of a better word, and was much easier to consume for me.

vivienne has said there'd be more zoophobia related content in the future, but i doubt it'll become her main project ever again, especially with how popular HB/HH have become over the years, and how barely anybody knows about her earlier works which would make bringing it back from the dead pretty difficult. it's saddening.
 

BadRoy

Snake awakens
S2 EP1 came out y'all! That was a good one. Answered a lot of questions and gave us more.

I think the weirdest detail was finding out Stolas and Blitzo are around the same age. I always thought Stolas was 'ageless', or at least decades older than Blitzo because of his deity-like status.

It was cute and a big deal for Stolas, but it's not clear how it affected Bltizo. I imagine robbing the Goetias and manipulating Stolas for the book were more things for Blitzo to repress like he represses everything :[
Anyway it was super cute seeing Stolas getting flustered before he became the man whore we knew him as.

Also note that Blitzo could have gotten away with the book but he did the 'right' thing and indulged Stolas. He's got a heart in there somewhere as much as he likes to pretend he doesn't.

My prediction is that Stolas will slowly lose his influence and money and be forced to turn to Blitzo/ IMP when Stella's family comes for him. That would be good drama because it would flip their relationship dynamics where now Stolas is humbled and needs to rely on Blitzo instead of the reverse.
 

Smityyyy

Racc Man
S2 EP1 came out y'all! That was a good one. Answered a lot of questions and gave us more.

I think the weirdest detail was finding out Stolas and Blitzo are around the same age. I always thought Stolas was 'ageless', or at least decades older than Blitzo because of his deity-like status.

It was cute and a big deal for Stolas, but it's not clear how it affected Bltizo. I imagine robbing the Goetias and manipulating Stolas for the book were more things for Blitzo to repress like he represses everything :[
Anyway it was super cute seeing Stolas getting flustered before he became the man whore we knew him as.

Also note that Blitzo could have gotten away with the book but he did the 'right' thing and indulged Stolas. He's got a heart in there somewhere as much as he likes to pretend he doesn't.

My prediction is that Stolas will slowly lose his influence and money and be forced to turn to Blitzo/ IMP when Stella's family comes for him. That would be good drama because it would flip their relationship dynamics where now Stolas is humbled and needs to rely on Blitzo instead of the reverse.
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I was pretty shocked to learn their history lol. It makes me really sad for Stolas. Poor guy. Arranged marriage, repressed sexuality, being lead on, etc.

Stolas is genuinely one of my favorite characters. He has such a charming personality. I’m so glad that we got some of his backstory… he really was somewhat of an enigma.
 
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