How do you break conditioning?
- Thread starter Fenrari
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Alastair Snowpaw
The Skull Paw
now i had to look up statistics cause you said that. so far i got around 20% of soldiers come back with PSTD and 20-40% of soldiers needing mental treatment. That's a pretty damn big amount that i would say is quite common, and from the sounds of it the thread starter doesn't need any more mental issues.
Here's my sources
yes i could look for more sources but i don't wanna spend too much time on it.
Tao
Hare Boi
I've heard there's some issues about covering psychological treatment but if the medical care covers that, coolio.
Onnes
Member
Look, can we at least agree that someone probably shouldn't enter the military unless they really want to do so? There are some serious potential drawbacks to that career path, and not everyone has the right mental and physical profile for it in the first place. The armed forces should not be considered an employer of last resort for Americans, as service is not like other jobs and most people probably should not pursue it.
Spawtsie Paws
Member
You people speak as if everyone job is infantry. He has a college degree, I doubt he'll go back to the front lines.
And seeing things traumatizing? And if you live in American, you live in place where more people die every year than any war we have fought. Go do some ride-outs with your local EMS/Fire department. Life isn't sunshine. The army can give you skills to further yourself, if you go in without the bs attitude that everything is like COD or will turn you into Rambo.
Also, last resort? I'm considering joining to get more trauma certifications to become a flight medic, after I finish my licensure.
And seeing things traumatizing? And if you live in American, you live in place where more people die every year than any war we have fought. Go do some ride-outs with your local EMS/Fire department. Life isn't sunshine. The army can give you skills to further yourself, if you go in without the bs attitude that everything is like COD or will turn you into Rambo.
Also, last resort? I'm considering joining to get more trauma certifications to become a flight medic, after I finish my licensure.
If I knew that I wouldn't have been depressed for 4 years now. But your family sounds a lot like mine.
However exercise seems to lighten my mood somewhat.
Also NEVER EVER join the military/Army You are guaranteed to go to war as the state is currently now.
Beside the fact that I consider ALL military staff as either murderers or pro murder.
Once you go military/army You are no longer a human in my eyes only an animal which needs to be put down.
People get brainwashed in that military/army crap and I guarantee that you will NEVER be the same.
No one has EVER come out of the army/Military as better people.
However exercise seems to lighten my mood somewhat.
Also NEVER EVER join the military/Army You are guaranteed to go to war as the state is currently now.
Beside the fact that I consider ALL military staff as either murderers or pro murder.
Once you go military/army You are no longer a human in my eyes only an animal which needs to be put down.
People get brainwashed in that military/army crap and I guarantee that you will NEVER be the same.
No one has EVER come out of the army/Military as better people.
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Aetius
It's Me Gordon, Barney from Black Mesa
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Elim Garak
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Tell that to my Great Grandfather and Grandfather who defended my country against the Nazi's invading. Fighting for liberty!
Tell that to my uncle, who is a UN Blue beret, helping to maintain stability in countries like when shit went down in Kosovo.
These are regular men, not machine men. They fight for their job, their loyaltity to their country and to help to maintain peace.
Maybe you can argue that the US forces are in places where they do not need to be, but can you really blaim the soldiers?
A lot of people go in the military for education, for benefits and the money in the USA. The USA is a pretty bad place to live in, you can get fired for no reason, not anywhere as good social security as some EU countries. Shit healthcare, where for in example the UK its free. Families not being able to support themselves, a lone mother who's husband died of cancer in a slow way, putting the family in deep dept. People just getting fired and basically fucked over. People working their ass off for student loans.
I also know a single father, who worked for years, has a daughter and he got fired, currently while hes looking for a job hes getting 200 dollars to live on every 2 weeks, in total for him and his daughter. Guess what? Hes getting evicted as well.
If you want someone to blaim, blaim not the citizens who have to work for their entire life and go through so much shit while you have greedy politicians filling their pockets with the hard working citizen's money!
tl;dr Blaim the system.
lostcat461
Member
Oh Caroline, I stopped reading after Nazis.
So how do you get a break? Oh give me a break, give me a break, break me off a piece of that kit kat bar!
So how do you get a break? Oh give me a break, give me a break, break me off a piece of that kit kat bar!
phasma
commotus observator
Fenrari I think I may know why these negative thoughts are so constant. Anxiety, believe it or not it when it gets to the point of frequent panic attacks your normally at the point were this anxiety is the one of the largest factors contributing to those negative thoughts occurring so much. Now there could be many reasons as to why you have anxiety but from your original post i believe you may already know were your stress may be from. From what you posted it sounds like you recently have acquired a large amount of stress from recent events and you are currently living in a environment were those around you don't know or don't understand what all of this feels like to you. In short the anxiety makes your nerves shot, you on edge all the time, which can cause a lack of sleep which put even more strain on your body and mind. This constant "high alert status" eventually may make you fearful or paranoid and not even know it. And from that fear/paranoia begins a viscous cycle. Its not your fault that you believed the insults your family has told you our minds tend to cling on what is common in our lives. None of this negative thinking's source is of your own creation. Its as you've said conditioning or "brain washing". Sadly conditioning is not an easy thing to change. Some things that have helped me with negative thoughts though have been literally trying to distract my mind (doing many different things that grab you attention through the day) and along with that another thing I do is when a negative thought does appear in my head I quickly try and think of something else and act like that thought never occurred (after awhile of doing that it should start to work better) It's like breaking conditioning by conditioning. Of course there is always something you could do to take factors out of the equation (ex. anxiety) And if that doesn't help there's probably books or research articles that may help. I know that you don't know me or anything but I just thought I really would be able to help at least somewhat I'm sorry if all this sounds ridiculous or absurd. From what it sounds like you may be experiencing similar things to what I am but for different reasons. If you want you could PM if you need someone to talk to or needing a bit more help. Ill gladly offer any help I can!
Sorry about the length...
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Elim Garak
Guest
Honestly, its a valid point. Saying "All soldiers are murderers and evil" and neglecting history. Quite offensive when your family defended your country.
lostcat461
Member
Oh Caroline, my Caroline. I quite agree with you. What I meant was, arguing that point on a thread this silly is just not worth it. (Thus, someone give the creator a kitkat bar.) That entire rant was just... crazy. Cause yes EVERYONE in the military goes to war, for one thing. God I know a lot of Aerospace engineers and analysts that are going to be shocked. 
So we shall mock it in our smug superiority.
So we shall mock it in our smug superiority.
I'm more worried about the girth... ^^;;
lostcat461
Member
Don't forget vaguely threatening and mentally unbalanced!
Fenrari
Prince of Wolves
I've read through several of your comments and I'd like to put the following input.
1. I've considered the armed forces. And it's my fall back plan if I can't find a job by June. No it's not my first choice. I've weighed in the consequences and benefits and have decided that though it may not be the best choice of action given the present climate, it would offer me employment (if I get in that is) and many occupations would look more favorably as to hiring me if I was to be a veteran.
(personally leaning navy)
2. I may not support the war/armed conflict that the United States is presently engaged in. But I am a firm believer that the sacrifices of anyone should be honored. As such I respect anyone willing to join the armed forces or presently in it.
1. I've considered the armed forces. And it's my fall back plan if I can't find a job by June. No it's not my first choice. I've weighed in the consequences and benefits and have decided that though it may not be the best choice of action given the present climate, it would offer me employment (if I get in that is) and many occupations would look more favorably as to hiring me if I was to be a veteran.
(personally leaning navy)
2. I may not support the war/armed conflict that the United States is presently engaged in. But I am a firm believer that the sacrifices of anyone should be honored. As such I respect anyone willing to join the armed forces or presently in it.
Keeroh
Shinies Snatcher
For actually breaking any sort of classical conditioning, there are some basic steps to take. You either start to attach a negative experience with the behaviors you do not want whenever you catch yourself doing them (Snapping yourself with a rubber band, or some people use money instead- making themselves pay to charity each time, etc. You get the idea) or you reward yourself for doing a behavior you want and it will gradually phase out the unwanted behavior. Eventually the conditioned responses will wane and vanish.
That is the cut-and-dry way to break classical conditioning.
/shitty community college psychology student
That is the cut-and-dry way to break classical conditioning.
/shitty community college psychology student
phasma
commotus observator
Whoops lol I guess I have a habit of going into a bit to much detail n_n. sorry about that, I'll try my best to avoid that next time.
The military is certainly a viable option as well. Having military training alone would make you more likely to be employed let alone being a veteran. Who knows this whole thing might actually be over before (if you do join) your deployed. I actually seem to have some recollection that people who have a college education actually start out as a officer? I may be mixing that up with something else. But all in all I wish you the best of luck! n_n
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Ad Hoc
Some old guy
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My pa's a 20-year Navy veteran and the military turned his life around. He was unemployed, uneducated, had no clear life path, and struggled with various substance abuse problems. They saw that he had a lot of technical talent so they taught him how to work with electrical stuff and later electronics and computers. He never saw combat; he just did maintenance, and later trained others to do the same. He also got sober. After retiring, he became a teacher at a major tech school in Wisconsin and is now one of the top teachers there. He teaches electronics, computer, industrial maintenance, robotics, even started up a wind turbine program. (He's fascinated by renewable energy; our house is heated partially by solar hot water panels. He also actually built a small wind turbine, which is going up this summer most likely.) He is ridiculously healthy and can run 10 miles at the age of 50. It is highly unlikely that any of this would have happened without him going in the Navy.
Is it for everyone? No. But it can do good things for a person and you don't have to be a monster to be involved with it.