How's the scientific process on real life anthropomorphic beings coming?

[Ricky]

Who is to say it isn't going to require it?

That's not what I said, at all. Open your eyes =P

I said it was speculative nonsense, WHICH IT IS, and now you are asking me to speculate from the other direction?

No thanks. I'm sticking to my point. Speculating on the way things will work THAT DON'T EVEN EXIST is stupid.

Please inform us Ricky of your ideas of how it would work.

It won't.

End of story.

Attaman pretty much brought the concern up. I don't think he was arguing that if an adult wants to horribly mutilate themselves they shouldn't, he was arguing that no scientist worth their salt will waste their time with something that is ultimately worthless like this. It seemed to me he implied any improvements this kind of science could hope to achieve would be far outclassed by machinery, which already has actual research into it. Because, you know, it's not an ultimately useless pipe dream.

He was arguing moral implications. Here is the quote, for posterity's sake:

Even if there is research put into it and the process does exist, it'll always be a process that's extremely resource, cost, and time-extensive (if speaking about changing pre-existing people), and hilariously morally dubious otherwise (speaking of fetal modifications). Why do I say this? In the latter case, it's akin to changing your child's sex, race, and a whole bunch of other stuff on an absolute whim at best, and at worst is outright making a mockery of what may be their wishes. Imagine for example if your mother decided "You know what would be bitching? If my child were an anthropomorphic toaster-fly."

Again, it was completely irrelevant.

That's like getting in a debate about pot legalization and arguing infants will get hurt if their parents spoon feed them THC.

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Somehow you failed to read that I mentioned plastic surgery twice. Kudos to you! I suppose you went ahead and just read "gene therapy" so you could find something to bitch about?

Somehow you failed to read anything I fucking wrote.

For the FIFTH time now (and no, I'm not even joking) -

NOBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT GENE THERAPY

That was my only point. Why do you keep bringing up 'gene therapy' if nobody is talking about it? People specifically made that a point, including the person that made the thread. FIVE FUCKING TIMES, NOW!!! Open your eyes.

Here, let me show you what is going on:

You: blah blah X and Y
Me: We aren't talking about X we are only talking about Y
You: HAH, I SAID Y YOU MUST NOT BE READING ALL THE THINGS

... Are you serious?

That's not even gene therapy, by the way. It's not therapy.

You don't want to talk about it, so it's irrelevant? Any scientific research that involves modifying the human body is open to the possibility of people applying it to children if you ask me.

Oh, but I forgot. This is a silly discussion, so we can't go into "what if" discussions. Not while there's a forum duel going on!

Well, you certainly can bring up irrelevant points that are completely orthogonal to anything that is being discussed.

You can even use it to try and argue a point, like we saw above.

It's a shitty argument though, and is completely unproductive in that respect.

What is the sky falls? What if we come up with every unrealistic scenario possible and turn them all into straw men?

 

[The young man in the cafe]

*leans in out of the shadows like a future old man in the tavern should and begins speaking in a creepy voice* If science should fail you then why not magic? The casual wolf furry may not realize this but Arcadia, The land of King Lycaon himself, is a real place, a regional unit of Greece in the modern day. In Arcadia there is a mountain called the Lykaion, supposedly where Lycaon was raised as a child. on the southern peak of the mountion there is a shrine to a wolfish aspect of Zeus. if you complete the rites of that shrine then you will become a werewolf. Of course there is the matter of the materials for the ritual...

 

[Machine]

*leans in out of the shadows like a future old man in the tavern should and begins speaking in a creepy voice* If science should fail you then why not magic? The casual wolf furry may not realize this but Arcadia, The land of King Lycaon himself, is a real place, a regional unit of Greece in the modern day. In Arcadia there is a mountain called the Lykaion, supposedly where Lycaon was raised as a child. on the southern peak of the mountion there is a shrine to a wolfish aspect of Zeus. if you complete the rites of that shrine then you will become a werewolf. Of course there is the matter of the materials for the ritual...

Get out.

No roleplaying.

 

[CatterHatter]

Ah, well, I put my relevant plug in. Guess there's no impeding digression. Here's to "progress?"
Ricky's such a trooper though. Gotta give him cred for sticktoitiveness.
@Attaman and Rilvor. No offense, seriously, but you're full of hot air trying to make a point that has nothing to do with the original post or line of thought it began with. Don't care if you thought things out. Don't care if you're a genius and have all the answers. You might be. I'm not going to argue with your possible over 9000 I.Q.
To put it simply, a valid discussion involves staying on topic not gyrating out into left field (and in this case outer space filled with deformed fetuses) because you feel it necessary. If it is so important, then make your own topic about all the scientific, genetic, and ethical ramifications that you come up with involving self-mutilation to become a furry on a dumb furry forum. Taking yourself too seriously? Guilty. Insulting others to further ridiculous theoretical banter? Guilty.

Please, be predictable and further defend your stances by insulting me for speaking up or Ricky for calling BS. Go ahead. I expect these things. Please. I'm asking you to hurt me. I enjoy it. Just don't expect responses. Sometimes I like to just sit back, watch the dicks, and take it. I'm just that much of a fag.

 

[Attaman]

Please, be predictable and further defend your stances by insulting me for speaking up or Ricky for calling BS. Go ahead. I expect these things. Please. I'm asking you to hurt me. I enjoy it. Just don't expect responses. Sometimes I like to just sit back, watch the dicks, and take it. I'm just that much of a fag.

Or I can just copy-paste my original post and remove the parts you and Ricky and everyone else seem to have so much problems with.

To make a long story short:
1) There is no scientific reason to practice this endeavor other than "SCIENCE!" or a rich scientist deciding to fund research of their fetishes something hard. No incentive, gain, practicality, or so-on. At best you can argue it allows for us to have more information in regard to playing chop-shop with human bodies, but that's it. Any possible "advantage" (herp-derp STRENGTH OF BURRS, NOSE OF A WULF, EYES OF A BURD!) of such work? Unless we're living in some shitty comic-book universe, totally not necessary to make someone into an anthropomorphic animal first. Assuming we even both with fleshybits and don't go the route of cybernetics (which, while still a fair bit off, at least have some research being put into them as a mean of replacing damaged or lost limbs / organs).

2) Even if there is research put into it and the process does exist, it'll always be a process that's extremely resource, cost, and time-extensive. Why do I say this? And in the former? You're totally reconstructing the vast majority of your body. Skeletal structure, epidermis, hormones, muscles, nervous system... a lot of this needs major work at best, complete rebuilding from the ground up at worst. And once this process is done? Congrats, you now have years of physical therapy to look forward to.

And this is talking about the final, mastered variety (yes, that'd still need therapy: Rebuilding legs, your spine, and your skull tends to leave you vulnerable for a bit). Before it's mastered? Have fun with needing to report to a professional constantly so as to make sure your body isn't rejecting anything, that there's no complications involving the grafts / hormones / implants, that your skeletal structure isn't about to fall apart where it was changed... Long story short you'd be investing millions of USD-equivalent and - considering how long sex transitions can take and that this will be worse - probably decades of your life to the process. So yeah, you can be that anthro you always dreamed of... if rich, rich and young, and you don't mind the process completing as fairly far into your life (likely half of your life behind you).

3) When it finally comes out, and you get to rub in people's faces "Fursecution!"? Not going to happen. Why? Because of the above. If you're rich as fuck and can afford this process, as well as have a slew of professionals trained in it? You're probably not going to see anything particularly worse than the (admittedly bad) treatment of transexuals in the US now. And if it's actually affordable, or done via a process that doesn't take away much of your life (like most people here hope it'll be)? Congrats, if it's something that is medically as simple as a modern nose-job, it'll also probably be as societally tolerated as a nose-job. You don't reach a stage in cosmetic surgery where it costs only a few (tens of) thousands of dollars and a couple weeks / months with people threatening to murder you if you complete the process.

Gee, where did I see a post like that before?

As appealing as it sounds in your head, would ya really want to be an anthropomorphic animal? It can't be done with DNA, at least not to you, because you're already a fully grown organism. They'd have to perform countless surgeries to alter a person's appearance so drastically, and cosmetic surgery of any kind rarely comes out looking natural or even all that appealing. (think Michael Jackson). Plus, it'd be terribly expensive, especially since no sane doctor would be willing to perform such an impractical operation. Even if it was cheap and easy and it looked natural, you'd still have all kinds of other crap to deal with, such as getting chased and beaten by overzealous townspeople, slipping on wooden floors, and not being able to wear any of your favorite cloths or shoes.

Alright, this is getting a little silly, but I think you get my point. TL;DR, it's much better to just keep it all in your imagination where it belongs~

 

[Rilvor]

It won't.

End of story.

Good enough for me. I apologize for getting a bit more worked up than I would have liked.

In response to CatterHatter, no I was pretty much done. No tirades were required.

 

[CynicalCirno]

There are leads on muscle and skin tissue production.
Scientists are currently working on creating bones from scratch.
The target is creating natural human prosthesis, losing the potential in mechanical prosthesis, but making spare limbs much more friendly, in the way that more people are willing to equip them and not feel like sub-humans.

The issue with artificial tissue as said in thread is rejection by the body.That's one issue.
In order to turn tissue into animal tissue, you'd have to research and modify both kinds of cells, and match a certain atomic structure for it to stay in place. This is going to cost a lot of money and time and no company is willing to fund such a project(second issue), seeing that very few people request/need such cells.
A third issue named in the thread is bioethics.

My conclusion: If you ever want to become an animal, just put all of your money in the recently started Human Brain Project, in hopes of reaching easy ways to modify memories and brain behavior, which won't actually turn you into a hyper-sensitive animal, but will probably make you happy.
Perhaps it's also possible to move your brain into an animal body, which is a much more viable process, at least considering the disadvantages of rebuilding your body. It isn't anthropomorphic, but it will also make you happy.

 

[CatterHatter]

Good enough for me. I apologize for getting a bit more worked up than I would have liked.

In response to CatterHatter, no I was pretty much done. No tirades were required.

I have to say: Aww, you are a cool guy Rilvor. Way to simplify everything that had been accumulating.

Attaman however... regurgitation? >> Really? Out of all the things that would actually irk me... wow. You took what little fun there was left to be had and crushed it in your text walls. You failed to give the original poster what was asked for. There is no real argument against your reasoning, but of your context.
Rigby asked for news. You gave him ramifications and why not to do it as well as rational thought processes; tacking on your own issues. See why it doesn't matter? Shame on you for wasting your time typing shit out breath.
You added all these things in yourself; vastly complicating a hypothetical whimsy asking for unusual news in medical breakthroughs and if it could be used to make rich people have animal parts slapped onto their bodies such as a raccoon tail or animal nose. Anything else you say is jackassery and had already been a long time ago so I'm done. I would have preferred insults.

@Rigby (if you're still around) - Hey. I really have not found anything else but I'll let you know if I do. I think it is interesting that Dr. Rosen thought it possible even back in 2002 if he was given just 5 years to work on such a project. I am curious how he'd even go about this brain-mapping thing mentioned so that not just the new limb being installed but that your neurology would support it and allow it function. If it really did not matter to you at all, thanks for wasting my time too!

 

[The young man in the cafe]

Get out.

No roleplaying.

I'll admit I was adding a bit of flair to what I said but the part of Arcadia being a real place is true: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcadia and so is the mountain with the alter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lykaion. It's amazing what you learn when you are an obsessive history major.

 

[Machine]

I'll admit I was adding a bit of flair to what I said but the part of Arcadia being a real place is true: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcadia and so is the mountain with the alter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lykaion. It's amazing what you learn when you are an obsessive history major.

I'm familiar with the story.

That's what King Lycaon got for testing the almighty Zeus. :V

 

[Judge Spear]

I don't know what's going on anymore...
I'd post a picture of a gecko with sweet tarts on it's head, but I'd be banned.

 

[The young man in the cafe]

Wouldn't be awesome to get a bunch of furries to have a party in Arcadia? I imagine the archaeologists working on the alter might be annoyed, but given that Arcadia was home Pan, and his saytrs and Lycaon it seems that furries have a lot to do there... Also the Greeks believed that most Arcadians were werewolves, not just Lycaon and his sons. in fact in 400 B.C an Arcadian boxer named Damarchus won a victory in the Olympics and was said to have spent nine years in his wolf form.

 

[Ricky]

I don't know what's going on anymore...
I'd post a picture of a gecko with sweet tarts on it's head, but I'd be banned.

Wouldn't be awesome to get a bunch of furries to have a party in Arcadia? I imagine the archaeologists working on the alter might be annoyed, but given that Arcadia was home Pan, and his saytrs and Lycaon it seems that furries have a lot to do there...

Furries and satyrs have a lot in common ;3

Furries like to dress up as animals and are always thinking about sex.

Satyrs are part goat and were depicted as... ithyphallic in just about every piece art.

One can only assume they were always thinking about sex XD

 

[Mullerornis]

I'd like to have my arms converted into wings. They'd make me utterly useless in society, but at least I'd fly.

 

[DrDingo]

Tails help balance, don't they? They could make people more agile and spacially aware. I wouldn't want one, though. For social, practical, and financial reasons.
@Mullerornis Why not just attach wings to your arms like an archeoptryx or have them coming out of your back instead?

 

[Rigby]

Tails help balance, don't they? They could make people more agile and spacially aware. I wouldn't want one, though. For social, practical, and financial reasons.

Exactly. It'd take time to get used to having a tail, but it'd be useful. When you get over the unusual nature of a human with a tail, I think it'd be more aesthetically pleasing too. The re would be issues with practicality (the way humans sit wouldn't work well with a tail).

inb4someone posts about cutting into wombs and giving unborn fetuses tails and the moral ramifications of it

 

[Attaman]

You failed to give the original poster what was asked for. There is no real argument against your reasoning, but of your context.
Rigby asked for news.

What they want to see news for (such as what DrDingo suggests below) will never happen, not unless it's an accidental side-effect of other research. Why? Because it serves no function besides fulfilling Furry fantasies, and there's much more important matters to research. It's impossible to give news directly relating to what OP has asked for.

The closest to what Rigby desires, at least in the at all immediate and foreseeable future, that has been in the news recently is stuff like so. As you can see, it's pretty much nothing like what they actually desire (aesthetically appealing prosthetics versus cosmetic surgery), but it's the best bet for people who want to look like a rabid honeybadger in the foreseeable future. Mind, in that case it'd hopefully be more a case of "you are able to replace fleshy meatware with superior hardware" and less "Someone tries to make their loss less a loss."

Tails help balance, don't they?

For things that were evolved to use them and have the proper frame, yes. Simply throwing something like a dog's tail on a human would probably cause more harm than good due to their skeleton being thrown completely out of whack. Similarly it should be noted that if someone managed to extend a human spine and make it into a functional tail, it would look completely different from about 80-90% of most anthro art if only for anatomical reasons. Look at how your pet [insert animal]'s tail extends from their spine, and compare it to most anthro art. While in some cases it's close (especially with things like cats), for the most part the tail would wind up being far too close to perpendicular in those artistic images to function in any way that is more helpful than hurtful (in some cases literally: Spinal columns generally shouldn't bend that way).

They could make people more agile and spacially aware.

Issue being that if you have the medical technology to do this, you likely have other, more cost effective / less drastic methods of similarly increasing spacial awareness. I'm not addressing agility because, well, it generally wouldn't help that much. It isn't going to increase reaction times, it isn't going to make your limbs any more dextrous, it isn't going to make your legs run any faster, etcetera.

@Mullerornis Why not just attach wings to your arms like an archeoptryx or have them coming out of your back instead?

Issue being that wings attached to arms (versus being the arms) are extremely unlikely to be anything other than cosmetic, and having them come from your back is essentially trying to change your skeletal structure from four limbs to six (see: Going to be very labor intensive), plus the fact that human bodies are a bit heavy for even wings of that size so you'd likely only be able to glide at best. Considering we already have private jetpacks on sale, that's arguably going to be your best bet if you want to fly sans planes or gliders or the like in the immediate future.

 

[RadioCatastrophe]

Exactly. It'd take time to get used to having a tail, but it'd be useful. When you get over the unusual nature of a human with a tail, I think it'd be more aesthetically pleasing too. The re would be issues with practicality (the way humans sit wouldn't work well with a tail).

inb4someone posts about cutting into wombs and giving unborn fetuses tails and the moral ramifications of it

I dunno, it'd depend on the size and length of the tail - for example a bears tail is just a nub of fur, bone, and other stuffs right? It'd be like sitting on a door knob, which I'm sure some folks in this community have already done so already.

 

[Mullerornis]

@Mullerornis Why not just attach wings to your arms like an archeoptryx or have them coming out of your back instead?

1- Useless

2- Musculature and human skeletal structure would prevent that. Even then, the tetrapod nervous sytem can't handle six limbs

 

[Rigby]

I dunno, it'd depend on the size and length of the tail - for example a bears tail is just a nub of fur, bone, and other stuffs right? It'd be like sitting on a door knob, which I'm sure some folks in this community have already done so already.

You're trying to make like a buttsex joke, right? Sitting on a doorknob and doing it back there are not alike, at all.

Besides, nub tails would be a waste of time and money. Paying just so you have a like sticking out back there? No, let's just a nice big tail covered in fur, that'd be much more aesthetically pleasing (which is pretty much the whole appeal for me, aesthetically pleasing physical features that are characteristic or animals, but not humans).

 

[CatterHatter]

Hahaha. I gave relative news even though it was not much.
Thanks digressers and long-winded technical blowhards for making me regret reading this mess and taking time to add my own input. Which, honestly, is not easy to do. Congrats. I wash my hands of this topic.
Ricky, you feel free to keep on troopin' and Rigby feel free to keep on poopin'.

 

[The young man in the cafe]

Seeing as how the porn industry is the biggest civilian group funding AI research, I can see them funding real life furry genetic research.