Humans? In MY Fiction?

[toddf-alt]

TBH, the aspects of the fandom that are most interesting to me are the interactions that would happen between anthropomorphs and humans if they ever theoretically coexisted with each other.
I've only really been aware of the fandom for a short while; but from what I've seen, there really isn't much in the way of fiction when it comes to this. Take a look at the Katbox's "Las Lindas" for example:

Spoiler

A few humans show up once or twice; Then, there's an exposé on the history of "Neo-Earth" that shows humans and primes coexisting happily; ...and then, ...well, that's pretty much it.

They pretty much just drop the subject like a phat bass-line and move on. And then, the humans that DO rarely show up are almost always shady or unsavory one-dimensional characters.
Now, to be fair, going by the readership of that particular comic, I suppose it isn't exactly the best fit for that kind of plot. The artists and writers know their target audience; and BOY! Do they ever pander to it.
But then, you take a look at a comic like "TwoKinds", which is very centered on this human/anthro interaction aspect; and you see that there's some real potential for more of it from different perspectives or speculations. However, it doesn't really seem like the case on the whole.

COLES-NOTES VERSION BELOW:

Fictional Human/Anthro social interaction is interesting to me. How do you feel about it? What do you think it adds to furry-fiction?

 

[Heliophobic]

If I ever went through with that anthro story in my head I might consider ironically making humans this primitive tribal race.

 

[Xaerun]

So wait, are you annoyed that the humans in a furry novel are terrible characters?
In a furry novel? Written by furries? Why is that surprising?
Also what are Coles Notes? Are prices for them down down, prices are down?
God I hate The Den

 

[Fox_720B]

I'd be interested to read a well-written story on such a world where anthros and humans co-exist. In fact, this cartoonist I know was toying with the idea of a webcomic based on that very thing, but scrapped it due to other projects taking priority.

I tend to think that in such a world there would be a lot of drama over speciesism to explore through writing, a lot of character development potential exists here, which can make for a good story if done right.

 

[Delta Fox]

One area where there are Humans in Furry fiction is in Transformation-related Fiction, and some of them involve a back-story I find quite interesting, a conflict between an anthros and humans.

 

[Attaman]

I think you'll find that one reason a lot of people have Furries awesome and Humans (except, of course, Furry-sympathizers who have 33:33:33 odds of being killed to show the rest of humanity's evilness, becoming a fuzzy at the end, or being an author Self Insert) in their Furry Literature / Comics because they're misanthropic and / or have a grudge against certain groups and ideologies. Similar to how a Baen Book is likely to feature Liberals being spineless satanistic communists who engage in rape orgies with their local savage musselmen.

Anyways, I feel that when done right interracial sociology can be interesting. Tolkien had a fairly well constructed background that goes through a lot of the races' first encounters, interactions, etcetera. A lot of "from the ground up" fantasy series' at least try to do so as well, with mixed success (Ex: The war between Dwarves and High Elves in Warhammer Fantasy is rather hit-or-miss depending on the author you have relating it). The issue comes back to what's mentioned above, in that most Furry examples are just soapboxing or whinging that humans suck.

You bring up Las Lindas as an example? It can be summed up as "Humans suck, Anthros are awesome". No, seriously. The writers have basically done everything they can to answer questions on the forums that basically come down to "Well yes they've committed genocide multiple times, but they were always completely justified and they're not bad people and they don't have racism and crime is almost non-existant and they're all superhuman and..".

 

[Calemeyr]

Furries hate humans because they are (rightly) bullied by sane people. So they take out their aggression by having stories meant to be taken seriously with arbitrary species with no explanation as to why a rabbit man is talking to a fox man. And then the humans are savage beasts. Baww. This is called an obsession, and it prevents them from enjoying any non-furry material, which is better a lot of the time. As a human who knows that we are a complex race, wih assholes sure, but also with good people, to paint all humans as bad is, well, stupid, because that means the author must be bad too. This misanthropy should be directed towards themselves as no one but furries would enjoy such works and it certainly isn't helping humans become better people.

And then they don't draw the people because they don't know anatomy. This means their furries suck too.
You know what, if these guys hate people so much, why don't they just leave? Or actually attempt to do
something productive with ther lives and make the world a better place instead of bitch about it in their erotic furry fantasy fan fiction? Some furry works are good, to be sure, because they don't read like a political blog on tumblr, as been stressed in the above posts.
In short...furries need to stop treating the fandom like the only lifestyle that is good and a place to become otherkin. More artistic merit please. There's something the mainstream needs a lot of help with. Maybe if furry gets its act together, it can help.

 

[Riho]

I think it would be interesting to cover furry-racism in a story. It's probably been done, but I'm not much for fanfiction of any kind. Anyway, what if furries were racist to EACH OTHER. Say, scalies would be shunned from both human and furry communities.

 

[Attaman]

I think it would be interesting to cover furry-racism in a story. It's probably been done, but I'm not much for fanfiction of any kind. Anyway, what if furries were racist to EACH OTHER. Say, scalies would be shunned from both human and furry communities.

I think it's been done a few times, but unfortunately they often go hilariously wrong for one of several reasons:
1) They wind up coming off like a [race] supremacist. They (probably) mean to come off as deep, digging into the hard truths and facts of reality, but instead they come off like Aryan Superman folk just replacing "Aryan" with Wolf or Dragon and "Jew / Darker-than-milk / Whatever other Ethnicity, Political Group, or so-on" with Mouse or somesuch.
2) They argue that the racism is not-really-racism in some cases (ex: "Oh no, Foxes really are predisposed to be thieves so it's perfectly fine to lump-sum all the sapient fox-people as thieves until proven otherwise"). Bonus points when it's used to justify one race's racism as being superior to another (ex: "Humans are terrible because they hate the fuzzies. Fuzzies are awesome because they justifiably hate the Humans because they really are monsters").
3) It's a comically inaccurate representation of actual racism issues, to the point that they eventually stop because they feel bad / their fans feel bad for writing / reading the content.

 

[Riho]

I think it's been done a few times, but unfortunately they often go hilariously wrong for one of several reasons

Oh, I didn't see THAT coming :V

 

[Tigercougar]

When I want to read a human/anthro story I want to read a human interacting with an intelligent animal (aka a feral style anthro). The old "human comes across an awesome pet" gag. I'm indifferent to humans and "anthro" anthros living together because it's the same human dynamics in an animal skin. I'd just rather read a story with all humans.

 

[badlands]

slightly dammed does it quite well.

the one of my own i keep adding to has an elvish race (as descendents from humans).

 

[Heliophobic]

In fact, this cartoonist I know was toying with the idea of a webcomic based on that very thing, but scrapped it due to other projects taking priority.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Furries hate humans because they are (rightly) bullied by sane people. So they take out their aggression by having stories meant to be taken seriously with arbitrary species with no explanation as to why a rabbit man is talking to a fox man. And then the humans are savage beasts. Baww. This is called an obsession, and it prevents them from enjoying any non-furry material, which is better a lot of the time. As a human who knows that we are a complex race, wih assholes sure, but also with good people, to paint all humans as bad is, well, stupid, because that means the author must be bad too. This misanthropy should be directed towards themselves as no one but furries would enjoy such works and it certainly isn't helping humans become better people.

And then they don't draw the people because they don't know anatomy. This means their furries suck too.
You know what, if these guys hate people so much, why don't they just leave? Or actually attempt to do
something productive with ther lives and make the world a better place instead of bitch about it in their erotic furry fantasy fan fiction? Some furry works are good, to be sure, because they don't read like a political blog on tumblr, as been stressed in the above posts.
In short...furries need to stop treating the fandom like the only lifestyle that is good and a place to become otherkin. More artistic merit please. There's something the mainstream needs a lot of help with. Maybe if furry gets its act together, it can help.

I cannot even begin to comprehend what you're trying to say.

 

[Rheumatism]

I'm all for having humans in furry comics.

 

[toddf-alt]

You bring up Las Lindas as an example?...

The thing that confuses me about it is the way that the comic's back-story shows the humans and primes peacefully coexisting (Spoilers ahead:http://laslindas.katbox.net/archive/the-second-genesis/) and then it's quietly brushed off to the side and never addressed again. As previously mentioned, going by the type of comic it is, there isn't a lot of room for that plot aspect. It just seems odd to me that they'd bring it up and then never mention it again.

But who knows? Maybe they ARE building up to some kind of exciting twist.

 

[Harbinger]

Meh, i just think humans are boring :/

 

[Heliophobic]

Meh, i just think humans are boring :/

SAY THAT TO MY FACE FUCKER NOT ONLINE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS

 

[Machine]

Furries and humans can't coexist. The proof is all over FaF. :V

 

[Attaman]

Meh, i just think humans are boring :/

Which is why you make animals more interesting by adding human traits to them?

This is kinda like saying "I just hate sugar" while at the same time putting three lumps per cup of tea, having a slice of cake on-hand, and having self-cleaned the frosting bowl while preparing it.

 

[Harbinger]

No, in my opinion its making humans more interesting by adding animal traits to them.
Humans are dull, we dont have many interesting features if any, senses are often better in some animals, we dont have tails or a covering of fur for example. Humans are boring, but the bipedal body shape with different species features plastered over it is a good design in my point of view, humans themselves are still boring.

 

[Machine]

No, in my opinion its making humans more interesting by adding animal traits to them.
Humans are dull, we dont have many interesting features if any, senses are often better in some animals, we dont have tails or a covering of fur for example. Humans are boring, but the bipedal body shape with different species features plastered over it is a good design in my point of view, humans themselves are still boring.

Yeah, a species with a supercomputer brain is soooo boring. :V

 

[Harbinger]

Physically, geez.

 

[CynicalCirno]

I don't think any new dilemma will pop up in a world that has anthropomorphic animals and humans coexist. Relations will be at most the same as the ones between Europeans and the blacks last century and before. If they're anthropomorphic animals then they must have anthropomorphic qualities, like an anthro(-human) brain. Won't that mean they're the same thing in a different package? Same mind in a different shape and color?

but the bipedal body shape with different species features plastered over it is a good design in my point of view

but it is a bad design after all, isn't it? If it was, then there would be such anthropomorphic animals around us. If there were ever animals like this, then they probably couldn't survive very well - or more likely, just couldn't reproduce and have mature offspring(unlike most furry porn I guess).
What good is there in being bipedal for animals whose primary weapons are claws? They don't need free hands for wielding arms or tools. They'll lose their balance and their speed.
I can't really say "welcome to evolution" because I'm not very knowledgeable at it, but welcome to the boring human's point of view.





In other words, say goodbye to peace and coexistence! We're all going to kill each other!

 

[Machine]

Physically, geez.

We exchanged our fur and monkey tails for bigger brains.

Plus, it's all a matter of physical attraction, and I'm not for screwing a guy with the head of a dog.

 

[Heliophobic]

Yeah, a species with a supercomputer brain is soooo boring. :V

I don't think people appreciate everyday life as much as they should. Don't get me wrong, I love fantasy. But it's healthy to be realistic and look at just how fucking awesome real life is once in a while. This, by extension, is called jamais vu.

Take the human race for example. We're the only species on Earth able to perceive reality through science, as opposed to being limited to instinct and short-term memory. We're able to process astounding levels of both logic and emotion, something most other animals can't even do at the same time. Like Machine said, our brains are so advanced that they are practically supercomputers. We evolve not only with our bodies but with our minds as well. We have a verbal communication system that goes far beyond "me want reproduce with you" (albeit that's still something some humans are incapable of expressing), and we're actually able to use this ability so advantageously that we can gather all of our collective knowledge and teach them to our descendants who will, in turn, teach said collective knowledge to their descendants (see: education). We're so superior to other animals, in fact, that most of us don't even see ourselves as animals, but rather an entirely new biological kingdom.

But it's not even just our superior mental power. Look at your hands. What do you see? That's right, motherfucking opposable thumbs. These little bad boys are the sole reason you're even in a fucking house right now. The very fact that our thumbs can rotate changes absolutely everything. We hold objects, we make tools, we use those tools to create. These tiny things, these seemingly insignificant little fucking sausages with nails have opened so many new possibilities it's overwhelming, even with our superior brains. We can do anything. We can create anything. We can become fucking GODS.

Humans.

Fuck yeah.