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Dedskunk

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I joined this fandom because every thing I saw looked cool. The art, the fursuits, the music, the performance and of course the porn. Its just all so interesting and exciting and I hope to make my own art some day. There are plenty artist and furries out their that I see as inspiring and have inspired me. But when you get down to it and really look at the people how inspired you, its not a pretty sight. My favorite artists are all SJW nuts, who think their the thought police and will ruin your whole career for just having an opinion. They say this fandom is open, loving and tolerant to everyone. I've experienced none of this. In fact, I've experienced the exact opposite. If you say or do something like tell a joke that your favorite artist doesn't like then your banished.

Its getting really hard to stay here. I don't wont to leave, but there's so much conflict of opinions in this fandom that I don't thinks worth it. You're better of doing your own thing.
 

MadKiyo

Imma bat in yer rafters
Blocking people for a dumb joke you don't like is a dick move, I know, but they have the right to do it. I have a lot of favorite artists who have quite different views than I do, as you described the "SJW" type. I just act benignly and save my dark twisted humor for random people. I can tell you there are a lot of people that I've gotten along with, many from this forum alone, that are not crazy about their viewpoints and willing to have discussion and joke around. Hell, I've met people that I THOUGHT would be the SJW type, but just turn out to be just fine to talk with.

The crazies are truly a small amount, don't worry about it too much friendo.
 

Yakamaru

Mr. Villanous charm
You need to learn to find the SJW's, snowflakes, BLM members/supporters, feminists and utter morons and steer the fuck clear of them. Personally I'd just troll the fuck out of them for shits and giggles, but that's just me.

As for the "conflict of opinions" part: We are humans before we are Furries. Conflicts comes with the territory. A decent amount of people are militant about their beliefs and they need to be avoided like the plague they really are. Just because we are Furries doesn't mean we have the same mentality, same views or same political beliefs. The ONLY thing we literally have in common is our liking to antropomorphic animals. NOTHING more, NOTHING less. Group/mob/tribe and the "us vs them" mentality needs to DIE.

In general, Furries are more open, tolerant and open-minded. In general. A suggestion for you would be to see whether or not the group(s) you belong to are diverse in opinion. If not, you might want to find other groups that does have diversity of opinion along with the group(s) you already are in, unless they are toxic.
 
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Yakamaru

Mr. Villanous charm
Honestly I think I've seen the least amount of SJW/crybabies on FAF. It's really bad on the main site, though.
Now I want to ask you for some links. You know, for entertainment. <3
 

MadKiyo

Imma bat in yer rafters
Now I want to ask you for some links. You know, for entertainment. <3
I thought linking people for purposes like these was against the rules.
 

Yakamaru

Mr. Villanous charm

PlusThirtyOne

What DOES my username mean...?
Until now i literally hadn't noticed any SJWs on FurAffinity or even within the fandom on the whole. The only ones i can seem to find with any particular stance on social justice are those who're against it. i don't read anyone's journals or blogs or whatever so that may be why i don't see it but, frankly, i don't give a shit anway. You're going to find people with different opinions on both sides of ever spectrum NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO! There are opinions everywhere. Learn to appreciate an artist by their work, not by their politics. Outside of the furry fandom, i can already pick 10 or so actors and animators i know (even personally) who have political and social justice opinions beside my own but i don't let that ruin their art. i still love Patrick Stewart even though he's a safety pin wearing wuss; Jean Luc Picard wouldn't stand for some whiny snowflakes' unreasonable demands! Likewise, i can still enjoy the work of any artist i like on FA regardless of their opinions on trivial garbage.

in my experience YOU HAVE TO LOOK for SJWs to find them. You have to go out of your way to pay any attention to their whining. -And that's what SJWs do; they LOOK FOR PROBLEMS. SJW whining hasn't affected me because i don't seek it out and i don't listen to it if/when it comes up.

Don't let the chef's political opinions ruin the taste of your meal.
 

Jarren

You can't just quote yourself! -Me
Basically, you've gotta tailor your interactions to the person you are interacting with if you want to avoid this kind of crap. If your political/social/economic/sexual/religious views don't align with someone else's (or even run opposite to them) there will be friction. Most people either don't bring up these points in normal conversation for exactly this reason. Those who choose to normally do one of two things. 1. Use the friction to spark conversation and debate. 2. See it as an opportunity to assert their own rightness and shit all over your views because they are backwards/bigoted/wrong/offensive yadda yadda...
Seek to be the first of those groups, but it's best to just clam up half the time. Also, as @PlusThirtyOne said, if you like an artist's work, don't let their views change your appreciation their stuff (unless they start getting preachy and holier than thou in they're works/interactions with their fans. Hell, even with your friends, don't let differences of opinion divide you (...Much. I will never trust my one friend who likes ketchup on her omelettes. That's just wrong...). Just because somebody's viewpoint is different than yours isn't any reason to discount them entirely. Just gotta shrug it off and deal with it.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
One thing to keep in mind is that when you're commenting on someone's art/journal or leaving shouts on their profile, you're in their space. They have a right to keep their space comfortable for them, and if your comments make them uncomfortable, they're doing the best thing they can to limit conflicts and friction. You've still got the rest of FA to fave and comment, so the best thing you can do is just accept that they prefer not to have contact with you.

Personally I'd just troll the fuck out of them for shits and giggles, but that's just me.
Now I want to ask you for some links. You know, for entertainment. <3
Can we please not encourage mockery/harassment of others? That'd be great, thanks.
 
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Sergei Sóhomo

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One thing to keep in mind is that when you're commenting on someone's art/journal or leaving shouts on their profile, you're in their space. They have a right to keep their space comfortable for them, and if your comments make them uncomfortable, they're doing the best thing they can to limit conflicts and friction. You've still got the rest of FA to fave and comment, so the best thing you can do is just accept that they prefer not to have contact with you.



Can we please not encourage mockery/harassment of others? That'd be great, thanks.

All well and said but you've gotta remember to act professional if you want to be taken seriously. If Jim Bob starts calling Dicks McGee a complete racist homophobe because he said he enjoys the artist's styles but wasn't a personal fan of the homosex then ya know

Probably going to lose a bit of business

I joined this fandom because every thing I saw looked cool. The art, the fursuits, the music, the performance and of course the porn. Its just all so interesting and exciting and I hope to make my own art some day. There are plenty artist and furries out their that I see as inspiring and have inspired me. But when you get down to it and really look at the people how inspired you, its not a pretty sight. My favorite artists are all SJW nuts, who think their the thought police and will ruin your whole career for just having an opinion. They say this fandom is open, loving and tolerant to everyone. I've experienced none of this. In fact, I've experienced the exact opposite. If you say or do something like tell a joke that your favorite artist doesn't like then your banished.

Its getting really hard to stay here. I don't wont to leave, but there's so much conflict of opinions in this fandom that I don't thinks worth it. You're better of doing your own thing.

Mate I don't know who you're talking about mostly because I don't follow anyone. Some words of advice I can give you however, are that if you want to steer clear of SJWs and the like then stay the fuck away from Ferzu. This site is pretty neutral however
 

nerdbat

Green butt of reason
Let's just start with the fact that talented/skilled person ≠ decent person. Of course, there are those who can be both, but the world is chock full of amazingly proficient people who happen to be quite an assholes in real life (like, James Cameron and John Lennon, to name a few), so if you expect every your favorite artist/musician/writer, within the fandom or not, to be all-around friendly and open to conversation, prepare to be disappointed a lot. And honestly, the whole post is a bit too one-sided - I mean, we don't even know why you're getting blocked, all we see is you blaming other people for "being damn SJWs and making me want to leave the fandom". Maybe the "jokes" are genuinely offensive or contextually inappropriate, or you made something rude without realising it, or the artists in question are recluses who don't want to chat with folks outside their established circle of friends (which is perfectly fine). It kinda looks like you're blaming the community for not meeting your highly specific expectations, and blaming people for, well, being humans.
 

quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
All well and said but you've gotta remember to act professional if you want to be taken seriously. If Jim Bob starts calling Dicks McGee a complete racist homophobe because he said he enjoys the artist's styles but wasn't a personal fan of the homosex then ya know

Probably going to lose a bit of business
Yep, and then they lose business. That's the consequence of their actions, and Jimmy will have to live with that. Maybe he gets enough business anyway, or maybe he feels that he doesn't want the business of people like Dick who feel obligated to tell him they don't like seeing dudes getting it from other dudes. Point is, if Jim Bob feels he doesn't want comments like McGee's, that's his prerogative. No one should feel forced to put up with commentary that makes them feel uncomfortable.
 

Yakamaru

Mr. Villanous charm
Can we please not encourage mockery/harassment of others? That'd be great, thanks.
Sometimes, just sometimes, people use sarcasm. I used "<3" which was an indication of a sarcastic comment. I am not encouraging anything. If I wanted to encourage harassment/mockery I'd say "Ey, gimme a link and lets harass the fuck!".

If you're a complete asshole and treat people in the public sphere like shit expect to be treated back as such. Words and actions have consequences, especially in the public sphere. Criticism is fine. Direct harassment however is not. Just because you're famous or have a good status as an artist or whatnot it won't exempt you from criticism.

Though I also wanna have some more context.. This is not much to go on, to be honest.
 

lyar

Its not the human race, its just the human race
There are going to be people who don't like you and people you don't like everywhere, its not a big deal.

Also I don't understand what a fandom is to people. There's no unity what are you going to leave exactly?
 
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Xandran

Guest
You do realize can unwatch those artists and find other ones that are not immature brats?. I did that to a youtuber i used to watch after he went on how furries are weird & being total assholes to fans who called out the channel's decay. Including the owners having a really shit taste in food which made some reviews worthless like them going how the Finnish are morons for liking there sweets.
 

Royn

Otterest Sergal evah!
Lol consider the source, then just move along, and feel pity for the sop minded twods that truly believe their "Way" is the correct way. Then laugh, smoke a joint, step out the back door and empty a magazine of 9mm shorties into a target, jump in your diesel powered pickup, and do donuts for like ten minutes on your 'Front lawn', jump out, and rebel yell at the top of your lungs, adding the word "Libtards". IE 'YYYEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAWW LIBTARDS!' Then go enjoy a nice cold beer. This fandom IS actually really cool, but one must peel back the layers to get to it, all the while with grains of salt.
 

nerdbat

Green butt of reason
Lol consider the source, then just move along, and feel pity for the sop minded twods that truly believe their "Way" is the correct way. Then laugh, smoke a joint, step out the back door and empty a magazine of 9mm shorties into a target, jump in your diesel powered pickup, and do donuts for like ten minutes on your 'Front lawn', jump out, and rebel yell at the top of your lungs, adding the word "Libtards"
Ironically, that's pretty much the list the things "sop minded twods that truly believe their "Way" is the correct way" usually do in this kind of situation .з.
 

Maximor_Bloodpanda

The True Anti-Conformist
They say this fandom is open, loving and tolerant to everyone. I've experienced none of this. In fact, I've experienced the exact opposite
Surprise, it's not. Silly person, thinking that the fandom was cool like that.

That's why we have Encyclopedia Dramatica.
 

-AlphaLupi

Well-Known Member
Triggered just kidding don't kill me

But when you get down to it and really look at the people how inspired you, its not a pretty sight. My favorite artists are all SJW nuts, who think their the thought police and will ruin your whole career for just having an opinion.


Maybe SJW nuts have more time to devote to artwork since the only thing they do all day is bitch and moan about being oppressed (while actively ignoring the VERY REAL oppression that exists in many places)?

But in seriousness, some people are just more sensitive than others. I don't know what opinions were expressed that caused them to react so harshly that they blocked you, but I'm willing to bet that they probably weren't exactly that nice, especially considering that it sounds like this issue has occurred on several occasions. There are always two sides to every conflict.

They say this fandom is open, loving and tolerant to everyone. I've experienced none of this. In fact, I've experienced the exact opposite. If you say or do something like tell a joke that your favorite artist doesn't like then your banished.

I've experienced the exact opposite, and I've been around since 2008 or so, jumping from a few other personas before this one. Not to say that I haven't met a couple dicks myself, of course I have, there are always some in every bunch. Most of the people I met have been very tolerant and accepting.

What jokes have you used exactly?

If my jokes are crappy, I get nothing more than a simple "lol" or no response. I don't know of anyone that blocks people simply because their jokes are bad. Offensive or creepy? Yeah. Unfortunately there are a lot of people that make mean-spirited jokes (I.E. Trolls) or creepy/overly-sexual jokes. They make people uncomfortable, so people simply remove them and block the user so they can't make anymore. If your jokes were the kind that would make random stranger uncomfortable, then I'm not really surprised. If they were just lame, then I would really like to hear the other user's story.

Its getting really hard to stay here. I don't wont to leave, but there's so much conflict of opinions in this fandom that I don't thinks worth it. You're better of doing your own thing.

You're better of doing your own thing.

Pretty much. The community is EXTREMELY broad. We all only have ONE thing in common - we like anthropomorphic animals. Outside of that quite literally anything goes. There are furrys that like sports, or guns, or computers ;) , or politics, or literature, or artwork, or history, or whatever. Everyone has their own interests, and a field as wide in range as the furry fandom really means that commonalities are uncommon.

Fur example, those that are interested in ethical computer hacking (sorry going with something familiar here) tend to be more of the intellectual and/or introverted type. Introverts are more comfortable around machines then people (hence the attraction for some, although I have seen some extroverted hackers). The intellectual commonality is simply because hacking is hard. There is A LOT to learn, and if you aren't willing to dedicate yourself to the studies you won't make it very far in this field (or you are probably just a script kiddy, but I digress). No offense to anyone nor am I trying to toot-toot my own horn here, but non-intellectual types are usually NOT willing to throw in the hundreds, or thousands, of hours of learning it takes to become a penetration tester.

With furry, there is no requirements. No manuals to read, no competition to beat, no nothing. Just fun. Everyone pretty much does their own thing to a degree and communicates with everyone else doing their own thing. Don't try to copy what other users are doing or you will have a bad time.

So of course conflict of opinion is expected. The fandom is not one being, but hundreds of thousands of independent free-spirited thinkers and dreamers.

 

SSJ3Mewtwo

Well-Known Member
There's a totally different take on this that could probably be looked at.

Did you ever think, or actively look into, the possibility that the problem is you?

Not a joke, not a poke, not an insult. That's an honest question. Do you think there's any chance the reason you get such bad response from people is because you straight-up provoke that response?

Another forum I was staff on years ago was a roleplay-sparring tournament. It was damned competitive, and there were a few people on it that could be downright abrasive with their attitudes. But even among those, there was one particular user that had effectively pissed off everyone they interacted with, and been blocked by most of them as a result.

What was his response to this after a few months? He posted a thread saying that he didn't like the forum, didn't like the community, and had no respect for them, because no one would acknowledge his ability.

So I asked him the same question I'm asking you. What if the problem is you? What if you are making posts or comments that would make most decent and open individuals block you, just so you couldn't pollute their threads or journals with the content you put up? If you've read their journals, seen their comments, you could likely develop a bit of a model on what content they want to see under their journals and submissions. If you put up commentary or the like that would be directly provocative or the like, how would it be surprising that they would react with a block? And not only that, if you could develop a sense of a user's leanings, why even post the provocative comments in the first place? You have the freedom of speech to do so, yes. That's entirely your right. But if you can gather a sense of what will get a hugely negative response, you have to actively choose to provoke that response. And if you decide to do that...well, that's on you.

I don't know too much about your main site activity, but the forum is a bit of an example of what I mean.

Here: xenforo.furaffinity.net: THE AMERICAN INTERNET DIES IN 21 DAYS

A thread basically meant to rile people up over a fake news story.

Here: xenforo.furaffinity.net: one week faggots!

Same thing.

Here: xenforo.furaffinity.net: Furry murder

Not even any real commentary provided, just a passing on of a tragic news story.

Do these threads break the rules? No.

Do they stir things up? Yes.

They stir things up and promote a lot of commentary, and in a number of ways are outright fake, or meant to stir drama. If that's what you want to do, stir up lots of commentary and drama, how can it surprise you that other people don't want to deal with the kind of drama you provoke?

The community isn't 'closed' or such when a number of its individuals don't want to engage with those who are deliberately stirring the drama pot. If you are, you could be the one who's causing the problem.
 
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