I have some issues with CoC 2.7's Update...

[Oblique Lynx]

No, sorry, the facts don't support that, in areas where it's been legalized. A very small amount of people who'll become addicted. Rehabilitation isn't usually necceary, it's similar in addictuve quality to tobacco. There's also no real way to overdose on pot unless you are doing something unusually stupid with it that I'm not aware of.

And. Wasted hospital space? What do you mean by this?

Tobacco is extremely addictive because of its properties and how the body reacts to that smoke leaving the lungs. While marijuana doesn't play on ACh receptors, marijuana still affects your release of dopamine causing that gratification. The more one smokes, the more they need to feel that same feeling, posing a risk to addiction to feel that same "high". Overdosing on pot can be rather easy depending on the method one consumes it. While not really fatal in itself, it does cause alterations to one's perceptions which greatly increase risk of serious injury

Wasted space as in they're taking up a slot that would have better been left open for someone actually requiring those resources.

@Oblique Lynx

You want to make all drugs including tobacco and alcohol illegal correct? You know how bad that would be for the economy and how many conservatives would turn on you?

I'm aware that it does play on our economy and I've no doubt that some would turn on me

 

[Reshizard]

Tobacco is extremely addictive because of its properties and how the body reacts to that smoke leaving the lungs. While marijuana doesn't play on ACh receptors, marijuana still affects your release of dopamine causing that gratification. The more one smokes, the more they need to feel that same feeling, posing a risk to addiction to feel that same "high". Overdosing on pot can be rather easy depending on the method one consumes it. While not really fatal in itself, it does cause alterations to one's perceptions which greatly increase risk of serious injury

Wasted space as in they're taking up a slot that would have better been left open for someone actually requiring those resources.


I'm aware that it does play on our economy and I've no doubt that some would turn on me

Legalizing and taxing pot benefits the economy and the government. Plus making drugs illegal doesnt make them go away. You wind up with a black market and even in countries with Sharia law in effect, you have a black market for alcohol. Making drugs such as pot and LSD illegal hurts society and the economy. Plus there's the issue of overcrowding prisons when people are arrested for merely possessing the drug.

 

[ResolutionBlaze]

Legalizing and taxing pot benefits the economy and the government. Plus making drugs illegal doesnt make them go away. You wind up with a black market and even in countries with Sharia law in effect, you have a black market for alcohol. Making drugs such as pot and LSD illegal hurts society and the economy. Plus there's the issue of overcrowding prisons when people are arrested for merely possessing the drug.

LSD? Really? Psychedelics now?

I mean, I don't know if I'm one to talk, but I'm pretty sure alcohol and drugs haven't done people not society a lick of good.

Taking really bad shit, taxing it to Hell, and pretending that it's a good thing just because the government is the dealer now doesn't make a better society.

 

[Reshizard]

LSD? Really? Psychedelics now?

I mean, I don't know if I'm one to talk, but I'm pretty sure alcohol and drugs haven't done people not society a lick of good.

Taking really bad shit, taxing it to Hell, and pretending that it's a good thing just because the government is the dealer now doesn't make a better society.

Yet we have McDonalds, Burger King and other fast food places and the health effects of those are documented

 

[BahgDaddy]

Come on, man. Don’t be that guy that thinks most people who lean right are unintelligent.

I don’t know if you’re trying to say going to college automatically makes you smarter or what.

I’m a liberal. I didn’t go to college (well I did for a semester). Admittingly college came harder to me than most people, and I dropped out. I am not dumber because of it.

Honestly no, it doesn't neccearily make you smarter. But hopefully it teaches people better critical thinking skills. It might be the left is continuing to see the benefit of higher education, while right wingers are increasingly seeing it as indoctrination, so are going to College less. Would beninterstjg to see those stats.

Tobacco is extremely addictive because of its properties and how the body reacts to that smoke leaving the lungs. While marijuana doesn't play on ACh receptors, marijuana still affects your release of dopamine causing that gratification. The more one smokes, the more they need to feel that same feeling, posing a risk to addiction to feel that same "high". Overdosing on pot can be rather easy depending on the method one consumes it. While not really fatal in itself, it does cause alterations to one's perceptions which greatly increase risk of serious injury

Wasted space as in they're taking up a slot that would have better been left open for someone actually requiring those resources.


I'm aware that it does play on our economy and I've no doubt that some would turn on me

By that reasoning, people can be addicted to happy music, so that should be banned, or anything that releases dopamine, such as porn.

And why are those people undeserving of hospital attention? Seems like you'd be willing to dictate who gets life Saving medical attention and who doesn't. That seems rather unethical to me.

LSD? Really? Psychedelics now?

I mean, I don't know if I'm one to talk, but I'm pretty sure alcohol and drugs haven't done people not society a lick of good.

Taking really bad shit, taxing it to Hell, and pretending that it's a good thing just because the government is the dealer now doesn't make a better society.

I can drink alcohol and consume marijuana safely and in moderation and only when I want to. Why do your morals get to take precedence over mine?

ETA: also LSD has medical properties and can heal people. It should also be legal for medical reason.

 

[ResolutionBlaze]

Yet we have McDonalds, Burger King and other fast food places and the health effects of those are documented

>Suggests that fast food more dangerous than psychedelics

Your science is laughably outdated.

www.google.com: Junk Food Might Not Be Addictive, After All

Not even mentioning that rat studies have been used and such studies are typically unreliable.

 

[Reshizard]

>Suggests that fast food more dangerous than psychedelics

Your science is laughably outdated.

www.google.com: Junk Food Might Not Be Addictive, After All

Not even mentioning that rat studies have been used and such studies are typically unreliable.

Even if its not addictive, it contributes heavily to our obesity epidemic

 

[ResolutionBlaze]

Even if its not addictive, it contributes heavily to our obesity epidemic

Not saying it doesn't. But it's certainly no justification for psychedelic drugs.

You admit that something doesn't have to be addictive to be damaging. Why do drugs get the same pass? Unlike marijuana, LSD is CAN be very dangerous despite not necessarily being as addictive as other drugs.

 

[Kumali]

I've stated my opinion on alcohol and being rid of it.

Drugs like marijuana still pose the risk of dependency and addiction. Illicit drugs like that also make it easy to overdose and, again, pose the risk of wasting hospital space due to such things

A little off-topic, but: am I the only one who sees hilarious irony in someone who writes posts like this using a quote from Alan Watts as his sig line?

 

[Reshizard]

Not saying it doesn't. But it's certainly no justification for psychedelic drugs.

You admit that something doesn't have to be addictive to be damaging. Why do drugs get the same pass? Unlike marijuana, LSD is CAN be very dangerous despite not necessarily being as addictive as other drugs.

Because you think addictive is the only qualifier for damaging and fast food is even more damaging to society than drugs but drugs continue to be the focus of major criticism

 

[BahgDaddy]

Y'all know the main reason pot is illegal is because after the Prohibition ended, some politicians needed another scapegoat right? And that it turned into a massive black market affair, crony capitalism, threw a disproportionate amount of minorities in prison, and all they even issued a propoganda campaign comparing hippies to pot smokers in order to deligitimize anti war sentiments.

It was never about the *plant*

 

[ResolutionBlaze]

Because you think addictive is the only qualifier for damaging and fast food is even more damaging to society than drugs but drugs continue to be the focus of major criticism

I... never stated this. In fact I stated the exact opposite of what you accuse me of.

 

[BahgDaddy]

A little off-topic, but: am I the only one who sees hilarious irony in someone who writes posts like this using a quote from Alan Watts as his sig line?

I didn't notice this. Apparently this person uses quotes from people who've been banished from the science community and write completely bonsense garbage blogs.

 

[BahgDaddy]

Well in that case you just lost that bet bucko, lost it hard. In a month or so I'll be getting my third degree - an engineering degree in mechanical engineering. Prior to that I got a bachelor and masters degree in UX engineering. You need user interface design or structural stress simulations done? Fluid flow simulations? Calculate specs on some heat exchangers or cooling units? I'm your guy.

But again - your scorn is quite telling: You seem to assume that anyone who disagrees with you, is automatically stupid. That's not very smart. You should respect your oponent in a political debate - they might know something you don't.

Let me guess: You're in college, working on your first (and what will likely be your only) degree? Cute.


Also nice backpedal on your communism "jab" - why not just admit that you were wrong? Because there's nothing wrong with my sense of humor - I think you're hilarious AND pathetic

Finally, me throwing an entire type of degrees out the window is based on a reasonably credible source, namely one Jordan B Peterson - who has pointed out how the US college humanities have been effectively taken over by post modernist marxists. I can't wait for you to tell me that he's some kind of alt right bad guy too.

Your degrees give you authority to speak in terms of how to make mechanical entities function better. That fact that you think they're worth more than other degrees such as humanities, philosophy, anthropology, psychology, etc. is really rather quaint, and your superior complex is quite unbecoming.

 

[ResolutionBlaze]

I didn't notice this. Apparently this person uses quotes from people who've been banished from the science community and write completely bonsense garbage blogs.

>Science community
We have failed as a species when "Science" becomes a clique.

 

[Ginza]

No, sorry, the facts don't support that, in areas where it's been legalized. A very small amount of people who'll become addicted. Rehabilitation isn't usually necceary, it's similar in addictuve quality to tobacco. There's also no real way to overdose on pot unless you are doing something unusually stupid with it that I'm not aware of.

And. Wasted hospital space? What do you mean by this?

You’d have to consume a shit ton of weed within a 15 minute period to fatally overdose lmao

 

[Reshizard]

I... never stated this. In fact I stated the exact opposite of what you accuse me of.

Considering you said this

”You admit that something doesn't have to be addictive to be damaging."

I had a hunch that was the reason you tossed me that link about fast food despite the fact i consider fast food's availability and contributions to the obesity crisis a more damaging item as opposed to drugs

 

[ResolutionBlaze]

You’d have to consume a shit ton of weed within a 15 minute period to fatally overdose lmao

Put some Bane tubes on. Permanent MLG status.

 

[Kumali]

I didn't notice this. Apparently this person uses quotes from people who've been banished from the science community and write completely bonsense garbage blogs.

I'm not sure we're thinking of the same Alan Watts - the one I'm thinking of (and whose The Book on the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are I was just re-reading today, as chance would have it) never wrote any blogs, since he died in 1973.

Alan Watts - Wikipedia

 

[BahgDaddy]

>Science community
We have failed as a species when "Science" becomes a clique.

Yes, there's a certain amount of tribalism in the community. However, people only get "kicked out" if they fail to use the most basic of scientific principles.

 

[webkilla]

Your degrees give you authority to speak in terms of how to make mechanical entities function better. That fact that you think they're worth more than other degrees such as humanities, philosophy, anthropology, psychology, etc. is really rather quaint, and your superior complex is quite unbecoming.

Sweet jesus you thick piece of work.

YOU BET that I had never set foot in a college class. I answered and showed you wrong - yet somehow you've managed to twist that into me being the bad guy?

No, you silly little thing. Just admit that you were wrong. You wanted to paint me as some uneducated rube that you could lord over - instead you find yourself talking to an intellectual you cannot argue against! Also, funny you mention anthropology and psyschology - because my UX degrees included a fair bit of that, so you're wrong once again, you silly little thing.


Also, for the third time you slanderous muppet: what am I an apologist for, for you said I was one earlier:

You apologists seem to want people to be able to get away with whatever hate speech they'd like

- you said this in response to something I said, so I can only assume that I'm part of the "you" group you refer to there.

And considering that the US supreme court has ruled that 'hate speech' is protected under the first amendment, then you really don't have much of a leg to stand on there: www.washingtonexaminer.com: In wake of the Supreme Court's ruling on hate speech and the First Amendment, more good news may be on the way

then again - the very notion of "hate speech" seems incredibly vague. Doesn't antifa hate fascists? So it and its supporters voicing that, is that hate speech? I think hate speech is against the CoC rules... whoopsie? Or is it ok to hate people if those people are violent right wing idiots? What about hating on violent left wing idiots?

 

[Reshizard]

And considering that the US supreme court has ruled that 'hate speech' is protected under the first amendment, then you really don't have much of a leg to stand on there: www.washingtonexaminer.com: In wake of the Supreme Court's ruling on hate speech and the First Amendment, more good news may be on the way

You are using the conservative website the washington examiner. Even if this is true, private institutions such as Furaffinity can still kick people who use hate speech constantly

 

[BahgDaddy]

I'm not sure we're thinking of the same Alan Watts - the one I'm thinking of (and whose The Book on the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are I was just re-reading today, as chance would have it) never wrote any blogs, since he died in 1973.

Alan Watts - Wikipedia

Oops, disregard, I was thinking of Anthony Watts, notable climate change denier.

 

[BahgDaddy]

Sweet jesus you thick piece of work.

YOU BET that I had never set foot in a college class. I answered and showed you wrong - yet somehow you've managed to twist that into me being the bad guy?

No, you silly little thing. Just admit that you were wrong. You wanted to paint me as some uneducated rube that you could lord over - instead you find yourself talking to an intellectual you cannot argue against! Also, funny you mention anthropology and psyschology - because my UX degrees included a fair bit of that, so you're wrong once again, you silly little thing.


Also, for the third time you slanderous muppet: what am I an apologist for, for you said I was one earlier:

- you said this in response to something I said, so I can only assume that I'm part of the "you" group you refer to there.

And considering that the US supreme court has ruled that 'hate speech' is protected under the first amendment, then you really don't have much of a leg to stand on there: www.washingtonexaminer.com: In wake of the Supreme Court's ruling on hate speech and the First Amendment, more good news may be on the way

then again - the very notion of "hate speech" seems incredibly vague. Doesn't antifa hate fascists? So it and its supporters voicing that, is that hate speech? I think hate speech is against the CoC rules... whoopsie? Or is it ok to hate people if those people are violent right wing idiots? What about hating on violent left wing idiots?

Sure, my bad for the college class comment, but it's obvious that becoming highly learned in one field does nothing for the Capacity in another field. In other words, you might be good (or bad, I don't know you) at engineering, but you are obviously extremely bad at serious discussions. It's regrettable - critical thinking and logic really ought to be a required course in colleges.

So again, you're using your degree in a completely unrelated field to give yourself props. Do you realize how this makes you look?

 

[webkilla]

Sure, my bad for the college class comment, but it's obvious that becoming highly learned in one field does nothing for the Capacity in another field. In other words, you might be good (or bad, I don't know you) at engineering, but you are obviously extremely bad at serious discussions. It's regrettable - critical thinking and logic really ought to be a required course in colleges.

So again, you're using your degree in a completely unrelated field to give yourself props. Do you realize how this makes you look?

And you're for the THIRD TIME dodging my question - what am I an apologist for. Answer the god damn question bag-boy!

You're just clinging to this education thing - which at this point is completely off-topic - to avoid answering that. Good grief you are pathetic, and yet you have the gall to claim I can't do serious discussion?

Lets do a quick recap:

So far, over the last few days, you've demonstrated incredible ignorance of the death-toll inflicted on humanity by socialism and communism - though you also claimed that the soviet union wasn't practicing "real" socialism or communism, and I'm honestly not sure which is worse.

You've implied that anyone who isn't as left leaning as you is poorly educated - and yet you now complain I somehow lord my education over you? I just proved you wrong, but you don't seem to like that, do you? Pathetic.

You've ignored loads of examples of antifa violence - to the point of claiming that antifa being for violence is some kind of red herring! Dude, "bike lock basher", the guy was caught and is standing trial for that shit! I linked a dozen pro-antifa pictures from FA all in support of violence and intimidation against antifa's enemies.

You ignore reality, you substitute your own, and then you say I'm the one who can't do serious conversation? mate, are you on drugs or something?