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BahgDaddy

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And you're for the THIRD TIME dodging my question - what am I an apologist for. Answer the god damn question bag-boy!

You're just clinging to this education thing - which at this point is completely off-topic - to avoid answering that. Good grief you are pathetic, and yet you have the gall to claim I can't do serious discussion?

Lets do a quick recap:

So far, over the last few days, you've demonstrated incredible ignorance of the death-toll inflicted on humanity by socialism and communism - though you also claimed that the soviet union wasn't practicing "real" socialism or communism, and I'm honestly not sure which is worse.

You've implied that anyone who isn't as left leaning as you is poorly educated - and yet you now complain I somehow lord my education over you? I just proved you wrong, but you don't seem to like that, do you? Pathetic.

You've ignored loads of examples of antifa violence - to the point of claiming that antifa being for violence is some kind of red herring! Dude, "bike lock basher", the guy was caught and is standing trial for that shit! I linked a dozen pro-antifa pictures from FA all in support of violence and intimidation against antifa's enemies.

You ignore reality, you substitute your own, and then you say I'm the one who can't do serious conversation? mate, are you on drugs or something?

Nope, I am not on drugs, although I did try some marijuana once. I found it relaxing but it made my room smell like a skunk bomb, so, no more of that for now.

"what am I an apologist for."

Hmm? I haven't said you were an apologist for anything. What makes you think that?

"claim I can't do serious discussion?"

Yes, all indications point to you not being capable of serious discussion. You use personal insults, red herrings, go off an tangents, cite suspicious sources, use appeal to athortity logical fallacies (using your degrees as props), and also point blank make up things I haven't said and attack those things instead of what I've actually said. Not only is this boring, it's also quite unethical.

"you've demonstrated incredible ignorance of the death-toll inflicted on humanity by socialism and communism"

Europe is doing quite well with a blend of socialism and free market enterprise systems. Socialism is not evil, but it can be used in evil manners.

Communism on the other hand, point blank doesn't work.

"though you also claimed that the soviet union wasn't practicing "real" socialism or communism"

Can you find this exact quote? You've said I used the word "real," so make sure that word is in my message you quote.

"You've implied that anyone who isn't as left leaning as you is poorly educated"

I've never made any comparison to myself. That's in rather poor taste.

You've said no less than 4 things in this post about me that are either false or misconstrue my point. Your debate tactics are, to say the least, appalling.
 

Yakamaru

Bara mig och lite bensin
Can this thread and the other one just be locked, please? It's doing nothing but drive people further apart.
 

LuciantheHugmage

The Mistbinder
Can this thread and the other one just be locked, please? It's doing nothing but drive people further apart.
Yes. I haven't even participated, and I'm finding this a little bit headache inducing.

Guys, no amount of quoting and mudslinging is going to change each other's minds. If you can't agree on something, just drop it and let it go.

We don't need to make the mod's job harder than it already is. And we don't need to push ourselves apart, that doesn't do our community any good.
 

webkilla

Furry, brony, anon - for lulz
Nope, I am not on drugs, although I did try some marijuana once. I found it relaxing but it made my room smell like a skunk bomb, so, no more of that for now.

"what am I an apologist for."

Hmm? I haven't said you were an apologist for anything. What makes you think that?

"claim I can't do serious discussion?"

Yes, all indications point to you not being capable of serious discussion. You use personal insults, red herrings, go off an tangents, cite suspicious sources, use appeal to athortity logical fallacies (using your degrees as props), and also point blank make up things I haven't said and attack those things instead of what I've actually said. Not only is this boring, it's also quite unethical.

"you've demonstrated incredible ignorance of the death-toll inflicted on humanity by socialism and communism"

Europe is doing quite well with a blend of socialism and free market enterprise systems. Socialism is not evil, but it can be used in evil manners.

Communism on the other hand, point blank doesn't work.

"though you also claimed that the soviet union wasn't practicing "real" socialism or communism"

Can you find this exact quote? You've said I used the word "real," so make sure that word is in my message you quote.

"You've implied that anyone who isn't as left leaning as you is poorly educated"

I've never made any comparison to myself. That's in rather poor taste.

You've said no less than 4 things in this post about me that are either false or misconstrue my point. Your debate tactics are, to say the least, appalling.

Apologist? I quoted you saying that two posts ago - and you ignored it! Good heavens you are thick!

You apologists seem to want people to be able to get away with whatever hate speech they'd like.

You seemed to be talking to me at that time - seemed kinda obvious that you were lumping me in with these apologists. Freaking own up to your own insults before complaining about mine.

I site suspicous sources? YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING TO DEBUNK MY SOURCES! And yet now you just dismiss them all suspicous out of hand? How shallow and illogical can you be?

And again you claim that I use my degrees as props - YOU CLAIMED I WAS UNEDUATED, I SIMPLY PROVED YOU WRONG. Again you lie.

That (Northern) Europe has a couple of reasonably functional welfare states is irrelevant - do not dodge the question! They are not socialist in the slightest, because you clearly don't understand what it means for a state to be socialist. There's a huge difference between a state having welfare programs, and then being a socialist state. Venezuela is a socialist state, and look at what's happening there.

Oh. Socialism and communism don't kill people. People kill people.

Did that sound stupid? Because that's what pro 2nd amendment people sound like.

Seriously though, dictatorship is what caused those situations to fail.

You seemed quite willing to dismiss that it was in seeking to effect socialist and communist policies that places like the soviet union, or maoist china, became hellholes full of death camps. I can assure you, citing fun and happy books like The Gulag Archipelago if you want some insight into communist thinking at its worst:


and what the hell do you then call this here statement:

And yeah. The more educated someone becomes, the [more likely] they are to lean left. This is a natural consequence of becoming a more tolerant and well informed person.

It seemed rather obvious that you were implying that you - a stated socialist - consider yourself among the better educated in this context. Either way you essentially decried all right wingers as stupid, uninformed and intolerant.


but you're right - we should stop talking - because you're obviously not conducting this "debate" in good faith.

You have repeatedly ignored evidence, including videos, of antifa being violent. I think I'll just dismiss you as a lefty-troll and just post more damning evidence against antifa
 

LuxVolans

Member
The antifa v. alt-right controversy is a rather divisive topic, and I try to avoid it when I can.. It's like an out-of-control monster, that's just gotten bigger and bigger over time, and the local Furry townsfolk (in the community) are all stuggling to cope with it, and not get eaten alive.

But I think another Chill Pill (needs to be dispensed) on this thread.

If needed, (take 2 of these) - and hopefully you'll feel better in the morning:

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Okay there dude, calm down dude. Take a chill pill. Don't have a chill pill, take one of those chill strips! Ya put it on your tongue, it dissolves... Chill...
 
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BahgDaddy

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Apologist? I quoted you saying that two posts ago - and you ignored it! Good heavens you are thick!



You seemed to be talking to me at that time - seemed kinda obvious that you were lumping me in with these apologists. Freaking own up to your own insults before complaining about mine.

I site suspicous sources? YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING TO DEBUNK MY SOURCES! And yet now you just dismiss them all suspicous out of hand? How shallow and illogical can you be?

And again you claim that I use my degrees as props - YOU CLAIMED I WAS UNEDUATED, I SIMPLY PROVED YOU WRONG. Again you lie.

That (Northern) Europe has a couple of reasonably functional welfare states is irrelevant - do not dodge the question! They are not socialist in the slightest, because you clearly don't understand what it means for a state to be socialist. There's a huge difference between a state having welfare programs, and then being a socialist state. Venezuela is a socialist state, and look at what's happening there.



You seemed quite willing to dismiss that it was in seeking to effect socialist and communist policies that places like the soviet union, or maoist china, became hellholes full of death camps. I can assure you, citing fun and happy books like The Gulag Archipelago if you want some insight into communist thinking at its worst:


and what the hell do you then call this here statement:



It seemed rather obvious that you were implying that you - a stated socialist - consider yourself among the better educated in this context. Either way you essentially decried all right wingers as stupid, uninformed and intolerant.


but you're right - we should stop talking - because you're obviously not conducting this "debate" in good faith.

You have repeatedly ignored evidence, including videos, of antifa being violent. I think I'll just dismiss you as a lefty-troll and just post more damning evidence against antifa

All right, I had fun leading you around with a bunch of bait and switch. But, now you just keep repeating yourself. Kinda boring, bigly sad. I think I'll block you now.
 

webkilla

Furry, brony, anon - for lulz
How is this still going? How have people not figured out that fascist = bad yet?

I don't think that's the issue here - nobody here is defending the alt right.

The trouble is that a lot of people don't seem to recognize how dangerous antifa is - be it because they're blinding by youthful enthusiasm for what promotes itself as a righteous cause of social justice, or because they just don't think they're dangerous.
 

Yakamaru

Bara mig och lite bensin
I don't think that's the issue here - nobody here is defending the alt right.

The trouble is that a lot of people don't seem to recognize how dangerous antifa is - be it because they're blinding by youthful enthusiasm for what promotes itself as a righteous cause of social justice, or because they just don't think they're dangerous.
Aaaand you took the obvious bait.. -.-
 

webkilla

Furry, brony, anon - for lulz
I don't think that's the issue here - nobody here is defending the alt right.

The trouble is that a lot of people don't seem to recognize how dangerous antifa is - be it because they're blinding by youthful enthusiasm for what promotes itself as a righteous cause of social justice, or because they just don't think they're dangerous.

Bait or not - it needs to be said

here, have a CNN video:

 

webkilla

Furry, brony, anon - for lulz
They don’t care. You won’t change anyone’s minds by posting this. This is a losing battle, and isn’t worth anyone’s time nor breath. Just let it go

We'll see

Considering that FA still seems to allow conservatives in general on the site - cigarskunk, Naylor, people who are Pro-Trump - then I don't see how any 'real' antifa groups are going to accept FA as a pro-antifa site any time soon.

Quite the contrary really - though I don't think they be sending any black blocks to assault furry cons either :p I'm thinking they'll just dismiss FA's administration as posers and tryhards
 

ElFantastico

New Member
That's a really flawed assumption.

Assumption? Practical approximation of unknowable information based on a history of observable events and behaviors -- within and beyond the context being discussed -- is not without merit..
Would you rather I presume that the actors are characterized by misguided goodwill, but also chronically unable to hear or understand objection over the course of repeated patterns of behavior?
Could it be that feedback is not merely unavailable to this process, but undesired?

Yes, comments are always full of trash. When you see stark escalation, it's not spurred by the positions of the stars..
Comments are blocked because they were being used in an increasing amount by individuals of divided views -- in response to the content of the posts.
The agitation and division in the comments is a reflection of the post itself, the history of the posts, and how they fit into the culture of divisive bullshit across the site and beyond.
Of course they get unhelpful and voluminous. That's what happens when you act directly to divide people. It's either a desired outcome or a warning sign.
Sweeping it under the rug and continuing without consideration isn't a respectable behavior -- regardless of what you presume.
 
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webkilla

Furry, brony, anon - for lulz
Well color me surprised - I thought he just stopped using the site. Hmm, well his account was suspended, what do you know.

It doesn't matter though - my point was that there are still plenty of people to the right of antifa on FA. Hell, I'd argue that 99% of FA's users are probably politically to the right of antifa - since at its core, when its comes to politics, antifa is based on an anarcho-communist ideology. I don't think most FA users want to abolish private property, especially not when it comes to forking over their own stuff to the communal share pile.

Then again, that just goes to show why antifa is so popular with youngsters: Its well known that young people tend to be a lot more left leaning than +30 year olds. On average anyway. FA's userbase, being mainly of a younger persuasion (teens looking for free furry porn and whatnot, plus most of the artists) then it'd make sense that there'd be more antifa supporters than extreme right-wingers when you look at the total numbers.

Still, doesn't mean that antifa should be let off the hook on that account. I still think FA's admins should update the CoC to clarify that antifa is counted as well when it comes to the rules against propaganda or promoting violence.
 
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