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I have some issues with CoC 2.7's Update...

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Yakamaru

Cyberpunk musta Susi
It has many very socialist economic and welfare regulations. Seriously, leftist is more than just full on Stalinism.
Economically leaning towards the Right-wing. Socially more towards the Left. Again. Mixed-economy. It does not make Norway Left-wing.

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And yes, Leftism is a lot more than Stalinism, seeing as the Left-wing got us everything from worker's rights to gay rights to equality across the board.

Anyways, I am not here to discuss about Norway's economical policies(as it'll derail the thread anyway). Have a nice day. :)
 
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Ginza

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Ladies, ladies, let's drop the Yaka issue for now.

My sincerest of apologies madam, I simply dislike name calling is all. Had someone else been saying the same about Logic, I’d be there with just the same vigor.

It’s immature to call out a user is all. Alas, I digress
 

DeeTheDragon

a bird-dragon paradox
Ladies, ladies, let's drop the Yaka issue for now.
So back to the matter at hand. How about some questions to guide the discussion.

Why is the CoC update worded as it is?
What is the reasoning behind the update classifying Alt-Right as a hate group but not the Alt-Left?
Does the CoC update imply favoritism by FA? Why or why not?
How would you suggest improving the CoC?
 

Rant

Haters Gonna Hate
So back to the matter at hand. How about some questions to guide the discussion.

Why is the CoC update worded as it is?
What is the reasoning behind the update classifying Alt-Right as a hate group but not the Alt-Left?
Does the CoC update imply favoritism by FA? Why or why not?
How would you suggest improving the CoC?
Perhaps it's over the recent upheaval over Nazi furs and the issues that come with it?
 

LuxVolans

Member
Well that's actually a common misconception people have about the wars between Christianity and Islam. You see, expert professors and Historians have concluded that wars like the crusades were not a violent attack without reason, but a response to hundreds of years of Islamic aggression by slavery, murder, and conquest. It took a long time before the Christian armies finally responded with the same level of violence the Arab armies did during those times.
http://www.clayjones.net/2014/04/the-truth-about-the-crusades/
www.wnd.com: The truth about the Crusades


Please no more off topic conversation

So back to the matter at hand. How about some questions to guide the discussion.

Why is the CoC update worded as it is?
What is the reasoning behind the update classifying Alt-Right as a hate group but not the Alt-Left?
Does the CoC update imply favoritism by FA? Why or why not?
How would you suggest improving the CoC?

Aha! These are the conversations I wanted. To answer in order:

I myself would like to know why it's worded as is, and why they classified it as such. I'm sure they have a left or liberal bias, that much is obvious, but I'd much rather hear their reasoning before jumping to conclusions.

The Current CoC definitely seems to Imply it, since they disregard the comparisons of AntiFa to the Alt-right, who has had Far fewer attacks and done far less damage than anyone in AntiFa.

My suggestions would start with either defining "Alt-Right," Or completely removing it. I'm much more okay with having a list of organizations that goes on 10 pages than allowing just a sort of "Moderator discretion" for something as impactful as this with a vague definition or something completely undefined. The next step would absolutely be labeling AntiFa, BAMN, and other such groups as such.
 
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Infrarednexus

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Don't worry buddy. You'll still have me to keep you company. I may not be alt furry, but I'm sure we can entertain eachother non the less.
 

ResolutionBlaze

Angry Local
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LogicNuke: *tags people angrily*
At least you don't lie about people behind their back.
I used to be in Alt Furry. I'm not an Alt Fur anymore.
 
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Ginza

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Lexiand

Werewolf
Oh great people can report the furry raiders for nothing
 

Yakamaru

Cyberpunk musta Susi
Why is the CoC update worded as it is?
I'd argue they are taking the easy way out instead of taking a hard stance on all the bullying and harassment going on. From all sides. Though that's only my take on it.

What is the reasoning behind the update classifying Alt-Right as a hate group but not the Alt-Left?
I could argue political bias, considering how they handle ANTIFA members, but I could easily be wrong. They are two sides of the same coin, essentially, but one side isn't recognized for some reason.

Does the CoC update imply favoritism by FA? Why or why not?
Quite frankly, I am not sure. I've only seen accounts here and there being taken down. If however they intend to be consistent on their idea of hate groups, then they are going to have to be consistent across the board. Or their favoritism will show for tens of thousands of people to see.

How would you suggest improving the CoC?
Quite frankly I'd just directly name ANTIFA and BLM in there as well. Groups that are de facto hateful(Video evidence to go with it, which is aplenty on Youtube, all unfiltered, uncensored and unedited too).

Or none at all. Apply your rules consistently across the board, no matter what your rules are. Hypocrisy is easy to see from people's actions.
 

LogicNuke

To the lulz, dear boy.
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LuxVolans

Member
What I've read is a bunch of "whataboutxyz..."

Don't like it, don't use the site. If you aren't posting politically charged content, why do you care? You just want to complain that your safe space no longer exists.

Except it's the exact opposite. I'm not loosing a "Safe Space" here, in fact, I loath them for a number of reasons. More than anything, I can't stand hypocrisy, or contradiction.

It's about principle of rule. If rule/law is to be applied, it must be applied evenly. It can't be enforced if it is not properly defined, and it must be consistent.
 

Kyr

Reeeeeee
Banned
Oh the arrogance here, it's delicious. Almost as if people don't want to admit to themselves that every governmental system in history has been responsible for some objectively terrible shit and instead want to get into ideological pissing contests over which is the worst. Personally i'm in favour of the one that lets us argue about the merits and flaws of things like Communism and Fascism but that's by the by.

As it happens i spent some time looking up DHS reports into ANTIFA to see if they've actually stated in a public document that they consider ANTIFA to be a domestic terrorist group earlier. Was gonna make a thread about it here if i found anything but it's gonna take a while to sift through what i can find in publicly available DHS and FBI reports.
@Kyr admitting he is member of Altfurry. :p
Oh noes, whatever will i do. I dared to explore their spaces to see what truth there was to the claims levied against them and found out it wasn't black and white, truly unforgivable i know. RIP me.
 
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Sylox

boi...chill out!
Except it's the exact opposite. I'm not loosing a "Safe Space" here, in fact, I loath them for a number of reasons. More than anything, I can't stand hypocrisy, or contradiction.

It's about principle of rule. If rule/law is to be applied, it must be applied evenly. It can't be enforced if it is not properly defined, and it must be consistent.

If you aren't going to post controversial stuff, you have nothing to worry about. Its much ado about nothing. People just want something to complain about.
 
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