i'm scared to die

[Fallowfox]

Read my first post again carefully.

I'm straying from the original discussion so I'm going to put my post in a spoiler

Spoiler

Are you familiar with the concept that you can't prove a negative?

There's not really any evolutionary reason for disposable organisms to have immortal personalities- because the abstract persistence of an organism's personality after death doesn't aid its survival and reproduction. Indeed, the fact that animals' ability to maintain consciousness can be damaged when they are injured probably shows that it's completely transient.
Still, you can't prove the claim 'organisms' personalities don't persist after death' because it's a negative, which is why, if there truly is no ghost in the shell, this question can never be answered scientifically.

That's why people who portend to tell others about quantum explanations for ghosts or reincarnation aren't really being responsible; this just isn't a question that can be engaged scientifically, and they risk promoting misunderstandings about physics by proliferating unfalsifiable (but almost certainly false) claims, that can't possible be supported by current science- and probably can't ever be supported.

Regarding the original thread topic, I'm definitely enjoying being reminded of my mortality every time I pop in on this thread!

 

[CrookedCroc]

What if after death your consciousness got trapped in a never ending loop of Nostalgia Critic intros?

 

[Fruitythebeetle]

What if after death your consciousness got trapped in a never ending loop of Nostalgia Critic intros?

.....oh god that must be hell...

 

[CaptainCool]

What if after death your consciousness got trapped in a never ending loop of Nostalgia Critic intros?

Didn't watch his videos in a long time. Is he still just screaming and rambling and trying to be... Funny?

Anyway, I see death as something natural.
I didn't care about being alive for 13 billion years before I was born. I won't care about it when I have died.

 

[Bink]

Nothing scares me more than absolutely ceasing to exist in any way, shape or form.. so best to make it worthwhile whilst I am certain of my existence.

 

[CrookedCroc]

Didn't watch his videos in a long time. Is he still just screaming and rambling and trying to be... Funny?

Yeah, he's pretty much the same except that now his skits are like three times longer and less funny, kinda like his Melvin video

 

[CaptainCool]

Yeah, he's pretty much the same except that now his skits are like three times longer and less funny, kinda like his Melvin video

Does he still have that retarded gun?

 

[CrookedCroc]

Does he still have that retarded gun?

I don't know to be honest, haven't watched him for a long time, the last thing I saw of him was the "apology" video he made during the Chanel Awesome exodus.

 

[Misha Bordiga Zahradník]

I don't know to be honest, haven't watched him for a long time, the last thing I saw of him was the "apology" video he made during the Chanel Awesome exodus.

He still has it.

 

[Ramjet]

I'm straying from the original discussion so I'm going to put my post in a spoiler

Spoiler

Are you familiar with the concept that you can't prove a negative?

There's not really any evolutionary reason for disposable organisms to have immortal personalities- because the abstract persistence of an organism's personality after death doesn't aid its survival and reproduction. Indeed, the fact that animals' ability to maintain consciousness can be damaged when they are injured probably shows that it's completely transient.
Still, you can't prove the claim 'organisms' personalities don't persist after death' because it's a negative, which is why, if there truly is no ghost in the shell, this question can never be answered scientifically.

That's why people who portend to tell others about quantum explanations for ghosts or reincarnation aren't really being responsible; this just isn't a question that can be engaged scientifically, and they risk promoting misunderstandings about physics by proliferating unfalsifiable (but almost certainly false) claims, that can't possible be supported by current science- and probably can't ever be supported.

Regarding the original thread topic, I'm definitely enjoying being reminded of my mortality every time I pop in on this thread!

Next time your back home you should stop into Oxford university and let Sir Robert Penrose know he's wasting him time then

 

[Jinxie]

you mean fruity-tan?

Jinxie thought Jinxie should get ta know y'all better first.

 

[Anon Raccoon]

At a certain point life stops giving you things and starts taking them away. Your parents and grandparents will grow old and die, maybe even your siblings. Part of growing up is starting a family of your own to fill the hole left by loved ones you have lost. Living alone forever is a fate worse than death. You want to really feel better? Find a man and make a lot of babies.

 

[Misha Bordiga Zahradník]

Next time your back home you should stop into Oxford university and let Sir Robert Penrose know he's wasting him time then

Penrose has had his theories on conciousness shot full of holes because they operate on unsubstantiated theoretical suppositions that are being continually disproven by physical testing; and he refuses to be flexible in his hypothesis which is resulting in him in all fact wasting his time.

 

[Misha Bordiga Zahradník]

You want to really feel better? Find a man and make a lot of babies.

Please don't follow this advice unless you really want a relationship and/or kids. Pointless relationships and unwanted children will fuck up your life in a way nothing else will.

 

[Ramjet]

Penrose has had his theories on conciousness shot full of holes because they operate on unsubstantiated theoretical suppositions that are being continually disproven by physical testing; and he refuses to be flexible in his hypothesis which is resulting in him in all fact wasting his time.

All theories start with holes, that's how you test them and make them better..

They were correct about the theory of quantum vibrations in brain microtubles.


Besides...Penrose isn't the only one in the field who thinks quantum mechanics could hold a key to consciousness.

 

[Simo]

I sometimes lie awake at night worrying about dying one day.

It's not a great thing to do but sometimes you can't help it. x3

I do this at points as well

One of my big fears is not that you just die, but that maybe there's an afterlife, and that it's not Heaven or Hell, but just very, very boring.

 

[JakeTheFoXx]

Not to throw the age card at you, so please don't take it personally, but I used to be terrified of death as well. Especially around your age (about 10 years ago for me). My job exposed me to lots of death and dying and I was able to understand it more. What I tell myself is, this life is real. Whether you believe in God or an afterlife, the life you are living right now is guaranteed. It's also short in the grand scale of things. Make sure you are enjoying it to the fullest of your abilities. We live without the notion of when we will die, and it makes it that much more prudent to enjoy yourself. ^^

 

[Anon Raccoon]

Please don't follow this advice unless you really want a relationship and/or kids. Pointless relationships and unwanted children will fuck up your life in a way nothing else will.

Don't ever listen to this person.

Getting married and starting a family will almost always make you live a longer and happier life than those that never do.

Nobody genuinely wants to be 60 years old and single with no family at all when they die.

 

[Yakamaru]

You're 19. You have at bare minimum 6 more decades to live if we are to go by average lifespans. Stop fearing what is inevitable and live this current life of yours properly without any regrets.

 

[Fallowfox]

Next time your back home you should stop into Oxford university and let Sir Robert Penrose know he's wasting him time then

People working at Oxford have a variety of positions on spirituality; you'll find Muslims, Hindus, Christians, and people of no religion there.
So working at Oxford isn't the sole measure by which the quality of somebody's arguments are assessed or veracity of their spiritual beliefs compared to one another.

Don't ever listen to this person.

Getting married and starting a family will almost always make you live a longer and happier life than those that never do.

Nobody genuinely wants to be 60 years old and single with no family at all when they die.

I think the two of you can surely compromise that relationships and children should come forth voluntarily and naturally when a spark of love is found between two people, rather than happening because either party fears dying alone.

I do this at points as well

One of my big fears is not that you just die, but that maybe there's an afterlife, and that it's not Heaven or Hell, but just very, very boring.

That's my current life so that doesn't sound too bad. :]

 

[Slytherin Umbreon]

That's my current life so that doesn't sound too bad. :]

Afterlife is just all of us shoved in Fallow's house.

 

[Misha Bordiga Zahradník]

Don't ever listen to this person.

Getting married and starting a family will almost always make you live a longer and happier life than those that never do.

Nobody genuinely wants to be 60 years old and single with no family at all when they die.

Pressuring people into marriage is why we had a massive spike in divorces when they finally passed no fault divorce laws.

Divorce rates have gone down as younger generations started waiting until they had their finances and careers sorted to settle down. The idea that you need a man and kids to be happy is asinine. A man and kids can make you happy if that is what you want in life, but let that come as it will rather than forcing it.

All theories start with holes, that's how you test them and make them better..

They were correct about the theory of quantum vibrations in brain microtubles.


Besides...Penrose isn't the only one in the field who thinks quantum mechanics could hold a key to consciousness.

He then started twisting the facts of that mechanic to fit his theories rather than his theories to fit fact. This is why his ideas are considered fringe; because he has all but abandoned proper logic and science in persuit of his hypothesis.

 

[Fallowfox]

For the record I'm all in favour of funding some fringe science and philosophy ideas. If those don't happen at universities, where else will they? Occasionally you will hit gold!

I just don't think that the mere fact somebody is employed at Oxford is proof that their ideas are good- because lots of people with very different ideas can lay claim to that.

Whether a mathematician believes he or she has found the face of god in an equation, or proved the existence of an immortal soul, is something that most of us don't have the mathematical background to assess- so we have to rely on other mathematicians' appraisals, and basically mathematicians have not converged upon any concrete conclusions about spiritual or religious beliefs.

 

[Anon Raccoon]

Pressuring people into marriage is why we had a massive spike in divorces when they finally passed no fault divorce laws.

Divorce rates have gone down as younger generations started waiting until they had their finances and careers sorted to settle down. The idea that you need a man and kids to be happy is asinine. A man and kids can make you happy if that is what you want in life, but let that come as it will rather than forcing it.

You can't seriously write off the absolute fact that people who are married with kids are far better human beings across almost every metric. Way less suicide, longer life, wealthier, healthier, ect...

The point being, if you fear death have a family of your own. It helps in the end. Seriously.

 

[Misha Bordiga Zahradník]

You can't seriously write off the absolute fact that people who are married with kids are far better human beings across almost every metric. Way less suicide, longer life, wealthier, healthier, ect...

The point being, if you fear death have a family of your own. It helps in the end. Seriously.

Wedding rings should come with a health warning - at least for women. New research reveals that while wedlock helps men to live longer, it shortens a woman's life by more than a year.

www.google.com: The stress of marriage shortens your life by a year (if you're the

Higher psychological well-being among married as opposed to unmarried persons may be due to social selection into marriage, or to marriage effects (social causation). From the selection hypothesis it follows that well-being at one time point be positively related to the subsequent probability of marrying. Using transition rate methods (Cox regression) on a sample of 9,000 unmarried persons, strong and significant relationships are found. The predictive power of the well-being measures remains stable throughout the 2- to 4-year period of observation. It is concluded that selection may play an important part in producing the oft-observed association between marital status and well-being.

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