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Instances of Furry "fan dumb"?

AdamLeisemann

Human in the Fandom
First, to give you a sense of what this thread is about, click this link.

Basically, have you seen cases online of "true" furry fans doing the following:
  • Acting like self-appointed watchdogs of the fandom. (A la the Burned Furs)
  • Always complains about how furry has gotten worse than "what it used to be"
  • Takes an "objective look" at furry and shows little-to-no willing suspesion of disbeleif in terms of furry media (barely even the suspension neccesary to be a furry fan)
  • Pins the alleged "failure" of the fandom on one or a few specific individuals.
  • Acts as if the elements s/he dislikes in the fandom exist merely to persecute/fursecute him/her
  • Taking any opposition to his/her beleifs of the fandom as an attack on their freedom of expression
    • Whine about said "attacks" with claims to be about to leave the forum or commit suicide
  • Regard anyone disagreeing with their assessment of the fandom's flaws as an idiot
  • Attacks anyone who even hints that the furry fandom might have a flaw or two
  • Anything else along these lines that I may have missed...
This thread is more interested in cases of such than in people who do these things, so in the interests of civility, please only cite the instances and leave the people anonymous (unless you're citing one of these moments from your own past, as something you have done. Though then, it is not reccommended that you do so as you could find others nailing you for it off-thread).

Also, this is more of a "do this for fun" thread, so if you recognize someone citing something you did, don't take it too seriously. Have fin guys. ^.^
 

Wolf-Bone

Banned
Banned
If this counts, I once labelled myself a Burned Fur and even extended the metaphor by saying what happened to me that gave me something in common with them, according to their story even though I had a pretty good idea of what the real story behind their creation was. It would've been pretty obvious to anyone reading the LJ post with a brain that I didn't literally think of myself as a Burned Fur, but still. If I was gonna draw a paralell between my story and someone elses, it should've been a story I actually bought.

Also, whatever the legal status of Cub Porn, even if it's a grey area, at least for now it's de facto legal so if people wanna argue it's "alright" on those grounds, that's one thing but I've never heard a moral counter-argument like some people make in defense of those whose issue with it is primarily moral who actually make a strong case. Seriously, if you like it that much, stick with the legal argument. At least that way you're more or less "right" by virtue of having the legal arbiters of society on your side.
 

Azure

100% organic vegan hubbas
This website is full of that stuff. Fandumb indeed.
 

Draco_2k

Rawr.
Woohoo! I love this thread!

EDIT: Erm... No, I haven't seen walking stereotypes in quite a while now... Well, I don't think bad grammar and general stupidity counts towards that anyway.

Nevertheless, great points.
 
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AdamLeisemann

Human in the Fandom
If this counts, I once labelled myself a Burned Fur and even extended the metaphor by saying what happened to me that gave me something in common with them, according to their story even though I had a pretty good idea of what the real story behind their creation was. It would've been pretty obvious to anyone reading the LJ post with a brain that I didn't literally think of myself as a Burned Fur, but still. If I was gonna draw a paralell between my story and someone elses, it should've been a story I actually bought.

A lot of folks were duped.

Also, whatever the legal status of Cub Porn, even if it's a grey area, at least for now it's de facto legal so if people wanna argue it's "alright" on those grounds, that's one thing but I've never heard a moral counter-argument like some people make in defense of those whose issue with it is primarily moral who actually make a strong case. Seriously, if you like it that much, stick with the legal argument. At least that way you're more or less "right" by virtue of having the legal arbiters of society on your side.

I know what you mean about the "moral" defenses. They're all pretty hard to buy, and I still don't quite buy the legal defenses.
 

capthavoc123

Master of Disaster
Also, whatever the legal status of Cub Porn, even if it's a grey area, at least for now it's de facto legal so if people wanna argue it's "alright" on those grounds, that's one thing but I've never heard a moral counter-argument like some people make in defense of those whose issue with it is primarily moral who actually make a strong case. Seriously, if you like it that much, stick with the legal argument. At least that way you're more or less "right" by virtue of having the legal arbiters of society on your side.

Seriously. What this guy said.
 

Draco_2k

Rawr.
Holy shit people. Don't argue about your preferences in THIS thread - think of the puppies I will kill if you try to proceed!
 

AdamLeisemann

Human in the Fandom
Well, if you do argue, hopefully we can keep it civil. :)
 

pheonix

back'n up back'n up
As I search the internet a lot and seen many things I've seen people on other forums and in some cases found whole websites of almighty furs saying their right and everyone else is wrong. It kinda sickens me cause if your a furry just enjoy the things you like and stop saying people are wrong cause they have a different opinion then you do. And I think they should stop saying were being persecuted(or as others may say fursecuted) cause were not, theirs just people who don't like what we do so they devote all their time in their meaningless lives trying to make us look bad. those people should be ignored but instead these almighty furs send hateful messages to these idiots making themselves look like idiots in the end. you can't stop the people out their that don't like us they will always be out their so we should all just pay attention to those who except us for who we are and ignore the ones who don't. Hope this fits in the guidelines of the thread if not It's still some food for thought.
 

Beastcub

Member
when i found out about burned furs it was right after i got called a furgfag online for the first time ever by some trolls
so i was "woo hoo i wanna join"
untill i told some other furs about it and they said the burned furs were kinda like nazis...
i say the fadom is do diverse to begin with that acting along the lines of the burned furs just seperates things further and well "to each their own" i always say (though if its socailly unacceptable please keep it private!)

i will admit i like to ignore the porn aspect but that is beacuase i don't like it and that is not what makes me furry
 

Wolf-Bone

Banned
Banned
they said the burned furs were kinda like nazis.

That might not be too bad a comparison, in a sense. Basically the story behind the Burned Furs is they were a group of artists who were butthurt that they couldn't succeed at doing art for a living and saw all these yiff artists clockin' mad bank. I had a graphic design teacher who told the class about this theory or something that the Nazis started out as a group of frustrated starving artists.
 

Beastcub

Member
That might not be too bad a comparison, in a sense. Basically the story behind the Burned Furs is they were a group of artists who were butthurt that they couldn't succeed at doing art for a living and saw all these yiff artists clockin' mad bank. I had a graphic design teacher who told the class about this theory or something that the Nazis started out as a group of frustrated starving artists.

i dunno about that but hitler was an artist and the art school he wanted to get into rejected his work and so he did not get in....think how different history may have been if that school accepted him in as a student...
 

NekoFox08

Lux Aeterna
That might not be too bad a comparison, in a sense. Basically the story behind the Burned Furs is they were a group of artists who were butthurt that they couldn't succeed at doing art for a living and saw all these yiff artists clockin' mad bank. I had a graphic design teacher who told the class about this theory or something that the Nazis started out as a group of frustrated starving artists.

geez... this world... scares me o_o'''

fan dumb... that would represent the fact that we're all fighting eachother instead of those damned trolls!
 

Wolf-Bone

Banned
Banned
i dunno about that but hitler was an artist and the art school he wanted to get into rejected his work and so he did not get in....think how different history may have been if that school accepted him in as a student...

Well, I recall up until Last Thursday, the Repubelicans, in their Epic Fail of a bid to derail Obama's stance on foreign policy were talking about some Faggot of a politician who said "if only I could've talked to Hitler," not only invoking Godwin's Law but Doing It Wrong. The key to preventing the Third Reich from coming to power would've been to have let the motherfucker paint like he originally wanted.

For real, all the people throughout my life who told me I should get a "Real Job" made me think to myself sometimes "ya know, I wonder just how fucking real we're talking because it's gonna get real on your ass."
 

RailRide

The Real Wheels of Steel
That might not be too bad a comparison, in a sense. Basically the story behind the Burned Furs is they were a group of artists who were butthurt that they couldn't succeed at doing art for a living and saw all these yiff artists clockin' mad bank. I had a graphic design teacher who told the class about this theory or something that the Nazis started out as a group of frustrated starving artists.

I happened to be an 'unofficial insider' (how inside? I have video of the 'burnedfur.org' domain being registered from a hotel room at Anthrocon), as well as being in on their members-only mailing list and private IRC channel. I was never a formally-declared member, though, just a sympathetic observer (my phrase).

Burned Fur as an organization was an accident. It was never supposed to be anything more than a phrase coined within a private rant, to be seen by a few eyes and then vanish into obscurity. An artist (meaning a single artist who'll remain nameless) was on the recieving end of an insulting remark about furries during an online chat with a high-profile (at the time) animator. Said animator had a reputation for making insulting remarks about a lot of things, but it's not clear that this was known to said artist at the time.

That was the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back for this particular artist, who responded by composing a lengthy rant that later became known as 'The Manifesto'. This was supposed to be posted to a private website and shown to a few friends to see if they agreed with the sentiment. That is where it was supposed to end. Instead, the location of the document was leaked to the main Usenet forum for the fandom, alt.fan.furry, and in the resulting flamewar (a.f.f. was known as a legendary hotbed of lengthy verbal fistfights) a bunch of like-minded individuals rallied around the "cause".

What did BF aim to do as an 'organization'? Mostly it wanted to be an umbrella organization of old-school furries who publically disavowed the fandom's lunatic fringe, who at the time were more-or-less defining the fandom's image to outsiders. This was similar to the split that resulted in the alt.lifestyle.furry splinter group that was supposed to leave alt.fan.furry dedicated to fandom discussion without the distraction of furry lifestylers' activities.

The reality of what happened was that BF found itself constantly on the defensive, fighting a war of misinformation (including that crack about them being 'nazis') that ran all the way up to a proposal (or threat) to have the group investigated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group. Although the group formally adopted a mission statement that clarified their objective as described above, their detractors kept pointing to the original Manifesto as the true voice of BF, insinuating that they fully intended to drive out pornographic art ("Disney-fying the fandom"--despite known porn artists being on the group's member list) and even physically assault(ing) gay furries to drive them out as well.

The group later disintegrated over a combination of frustration over an inability to prevent incidents like the Vanity Fair article, stresses related to 9/11, and the antics of a few people acting outside the boundaries of the group's goals. Ultimatley, BF had much the same problem as the fandom itself--it couldn't control who called themselves one of it's own.

---PCJ
 
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Anbessa

Member
oih, interesting article, RailRide. now I finally know what happened back when, since it's repercussions toward europe's dfandom were rather... marginal. I heard about it, but I don't think it dampened any amount of adult artwork done on the other side of the big pond. :)

a german specialty of Fan Dumb(tm) (somebody really should TM that term) is the excessive use of imported english terms, all the while some of them change their meaning after a while. (you guys probably wouldn't want to know what german marketing execs do to your language)
there once was a lengthy discussion on a german furry forum centering around the difference of 'costume' and 'fursuit'. basically both do the same, hiding the human wearing it from plain sight. now in germany, a fursuit does much more... or does it? (I know, a fursuit shows specifically a human-like animal of some sorts, but it's still a costume).
likewise, german furries like to say 'tail' (the english word) in conversations, since the german word 'Schwanz' also serves as a slang term for the male's third arm. so they all go [silly giggle] trying to pronounce it, and instead use english terms for it. something that can read very ridiculous, since the meaning is the same... even more hilarity ensues if those don't really speak english, and thus don't really know what they're saying.
likewise, the english word 'mate' is often used to describe a lover, or significant other, and posting a link to a dictionary often results in a severe blush.
furifying words doesn't work as well in german, only if you'd use english terminology. (it is frowned upon because not everyone is really capapble of speaking english [or die] even though they try to teach us in school. some people simply have no talent for foreign languages)
another Fan Dumb(tm) thing is the severe, red-head inducing discussion following the heavily Disney-fied "The Lion, the with and the wardrobe" movie. really, the only instance it ocurred to me was one scene where you saw Aslan's backside for a second. do we really need to verify the gender of all animals CGI'd in this movie?

want some more? some heated discussion centered around someone's fursona which was supposed to show an living, inflatable rubber suit with a back zipper. so what does that have to do with furry? nothing, of course. it is about fetish, not furry, you moralists. :) the most heated replies came from those who carried avatars with their fursonas wearing uniforms... what do those have to do with furry?
of course,. nobody wanted to listen anyway. but whose place is it to define what is furry or not, when all of furdom are individualists anyway? or what makes a fursuit a fursuit? the quality, the price tag on the materials, the amount of human covered in fake fur, or just the philosophy behind the making of it? (the main argument against a nice, fitting partial suit made with a minimum of funds and a lot of hard work that went into the mask of course came from someone whith the funds to buy his own fursuit from a well-known US costume maker. needless to say, a lot of drama [frama: Furry Drama] was coughed up by the forum members.)
 

Ceceil Felias

Never have I seen fail so huge
That's easy enough, just look at Encyclopedia Dramatica's Furfaggotry portal.

Probably mentioned a long time ago, but I'm mentioning it again simply because it's got just that much about that kinda shit and the people doing them.
 

Beastcub

Member
That's easy enough, just look at Encyclopedia Dramatica's Furfaggotry portal.

Probably mentioned a long time ago, but I'm mentioning it again simply because it's got just that much about that kinda shit and the people doing them.

dude anti furs say furries have not life... well then why they hell are they wasting their "lives" bugging furries?

looking at that stuff i guess i have thick skin cause some of it came accross to me as funny...part of why its funny is i cannot believe that the "trolls" have taken the time to put that crap together and i wonder how many are so called "closet furs" or are now openly interested in the fandom.

but then again i may be thick skinned to all the "furfag" crap as i went through alot of crap when i first got into fantasy and anime (i mean trolls in RL too one ripped up my dragon drawing) so i have learned to look past trolls and just focus on the people who actually enjoy what i enjoy. hell my mere 6 hours at FURther CONfusion was the best 6 hours i have had in a long time.
 

WhiteHowl

Procrastination is cool~*
dude anti furs say furries have not life... well then why they hell are they wasting their "lives" bugging furries?

looking at that stuff i guess i have thick skin cause some of it came accross to me as funny...part of why its funny is i cannot believe that the "trolls" have taken the time to put that crap together and i wonder how many are so called "closet furs" or are now openly interested in the fandom.

but then again i may be thick skinned to all the "furfag" crap as i went through alot of crap when i first got into fantasy and anime (i mean trolls in RL too one ripped up my dragon drawing) so i have learned to look past trolls and just focus on the people who actually enjoy what i enjoy. hell my mere 6 hours at FURther CONfusion was the best 6 hours i have had in a long time.

It should be noted that about 80% of anon are gaiafag rejects and the annoying otaku guy that nobody likes and generate about twice as much fail as their sociable counterparts. It should also be noted that the remaining 20% consist of people with ADHD, Autism, and newfags.
 

AdamLeisemann

Human in the Fandom
Okay. Back on topic folks. We're looking for furries doing the fan-dumb (tm), not trolls.
 
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