Hollow-Dragon
*huggles meh tail* :3
A 20 GB Zune doesn't even exist... >.=.>
iPods // Spawn of the Devil
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A 20 GB Zune doesn't even exist... >.=.>
PeppermintRoo
Mint Flavored
Apple does whatever it can to make ipods only work with itunes, then doesn't release itunes for any *nix. It's the irony of Apple to take FreeBSD to make their OS, then turn around and try to pretend that Unix-based OS's don't exist.
IMHO, there's no excuse for any music player to not register songs that were transfered onto its hardrive via a standard mounting. Requiring specific software to do so is just being a jerk.
Because Apple is so controling over how you use their products, I've never purchased anything from them to date. It's just one of those companies that seems to think they still own the hardware that you purchase from them; the only thing the user owns is the right to use it as Apple sees fit.
P.S.
I'm aware that there's software for Linux that's capable of transfering songs onto ipods, but that's just from reverse engineering on the part of open source developers. Apple does not support ipod use in *nix in any manner that I'm aware of. I also would not be suprised if using said open source software violates an Apple TOS somewhere.
IMHO, there's no excuse for any music player to not register songs that were transfered onto its hardrive via a standard mounting. Requiring specific software to do so is just being a jerk.
Because Apple is so controling over how you use their products, I've never purchased anything from them to date. It's just one of those companies that seems to think they still own the hardware that you purchase from them; the only thing the user owns is the right to use it as Apple sees fit.
P.S.
I'm aware that there's software for Linux that's capable of transfering songs onto ipods, but that's just from reverse engineering on the part of open source developers. Apple does not support ipod use in *nix in any manner that I'm aware of. I also would not be suprised if using said open source software violates an Apple TOS somewhere.
I've used quite a lot of mp3 players and portable media devices, but as much as I hate to say it, I admit that iPods indeed are more; and even much more in some cases; easier to use then other players out there. They are just that good.
However, not good enough to warrant their extremely bloated prices.
However, not good enough to warrant their extremely bloated prices.
Actually, it is. When you first connect the iPod to the second computer, iTunes will ask if you want to associate the iPod with this computer. Clicking "No" will still let you drag songs from the library to the iPod. My iPod's been a little whore with like 6 different machines like that.
net-cat
Infernal Kitty
Yes, but you can't pull songs off the iPod this way. (Maybe you can now, but you couldn't back when I tried.)
reigoskeiter
Member
i totally agree!
the ipod might be popular and that other crap.
but they have small memory small screen and u can do only an few things
i got myself an zen player myself and its so damn awesome!
its an 8gb zen player
screw ipod and all that ''popular'' stuff, creative ownz! ^^
the ipod might be popular and that other crap.
but they have small memory small screen and u can do only an few things
i got myself an zen player myself and its so damn awesome!
its an 8gb zen player
screw ipod and all that ''popular'' stuff, creative ownz! ^^
Easiest way I've found to pull songs off an iPod involved enabling disk mode, enabling the viewing of hidden files/folders, and using the search thing built into Windows to find the songs since the files get renamed to something like 43kjhdskjfh45.mp3 when copied to the iPod.
net-cat
Infernal Kitty
Or, you know, you could just get a player that doesn't mangle the shit out of your library organization. That sounds much easier to me. Cheaper too.
Takun
Wof Wof Wof Wof Wof
Don't even have to enable disk mode, at least on mine. I just connect with hidden files shown and pull them off. Do this to share music with my cousin.
Runefox
Kitsune of the PC Master Race
I find my PSP with a 4GB memory stick does all I need it to do in this regard (music on the go) and then some. Compress everything to 64kbps WMA (2-pass) and it doesn't sound too bad, especially with the extra noise associated with the environment outside and in vehicles. If it really supported it like it said it should, I'd be using either Nero-encoded or CT-encoded 48kbps aacPlus v2 for about the same quality, but eh.
Otherwise, I just use my computer with some nice lossless or high-bitrate stuff. No need for an "MP3 player" when I'm sitting at a PC on my home network. Further, I despise any audio player that requires use of an application (and even worse is an audio player that needs to transcode to a proprietary format - I'm looking at you, Sony) to place media onto it. I also despise audio players that require background processes to be running at all times for no good reason. iPod, go sit on a tack.
Speaking of "MP3 players", that's ghastly marketing speak. It's a digital audio player - MP3 is a file format (and a not so great one nowadays, either, though it still limps along with LAME).
Otherwise, I just use my computer with some nice lossless or high-bitrate stuff. No need for an "MP3 player" when I'm sitting at a PC on my home network. Further, I despise any audio player that requires use of an application (and even worse is an audio player that needs to transcode to a proprietary format - I'm looking at you, Sony) to place media onto it. I also despise audio players that require background processes to be running at all times for no good reason. iPod, go sit on a tack.
Speaking of "MP3 players", that's ghastly marketing speak. It's a digital audio player - MP3 is a file format (and a not so great one nowadays, either, though it still limps along with LAME).
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X
The Monster Under Your Bed
i have a 1gig sandisk clip player, owns the shuffle in all forms imo, mostly because of a screen and built in radio. and i have another 1 gig player, some sort of colby with a touch pad, i cant complain, mainly because it was free. im going to try out an ipod (if i can find a decent price) planning on getting one of those gen 4 16gb chromatic nano's.
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net-cat
Infernal Kitty
It's one of those cases of a brand name becoming the common term for something. Like "Kleenex" or "Google." But yes. I remember the early Sony players couldn't be called MP3 players because they couldn't actually play MP3s.
That's why I love Rockbox. It'll play just about any (unencrypted) format I can throw at it. MP3, MP4, AAC, WMA, OGG, FLAC, &c
ToeClaws
PEBKAC exterminator
Well said!
For all those talking about capacity, remember that there are downsides to high-capacity players. Any player that utilizes a hard drive can deliver a lot of storage space, sure, but they also have a couple problems. For one, they're harder on batteries, and another thing (and perhaps the biggest problem) is that they are much more prone to failure.
Hard drives mean moving parts (sensitive moving parts at that), and that means that enough bumping and jolting will eventually shorten the life of the systems.
I look at it this way - yeah I have a lot of music, about 40 gigs worth, but do I listen to ALL of that on a regular basis? No. I started copying all of the songs from the albums I like to my MP3 player, and I've yet to even break the 4 gig mark on it - and that's already at a good 24+ hours of music, if not more.
You don't have to store ALL your music on your MP3 player, in fact, that's the last place you should store it. My music is kept on my main PC's drive, and backed up on a second portable drive. The MP3 player is only for my favourite stuff.
Runefox
Kitsune of the PC Master Race
Yeah, if I had a compatible iPod, I'd probably be happy with it and Rockbox, but AFAIK, the newer (post-2006) models aren't supported by it. It's a shame, too, because Rockbox supports so many formats (including MIDI, interestingly). Doesn't matter, though - It's still supported on other players. Myself, if I have something that the PSP doesn't play properly, I can download another piece of software (or find a lossless or high-bitrate version and transcode). So far, though, none of them properly support the SBR and Parametric Stereo features of aacPlus v2. Ogg Vorbis works, but I do find that 64kbps WMA with 2-pass encoding sounds good enough, and can be played directly from the XMB.
Crossfire21
Member
I like my Ipod touch but I dont want to fall into the stereotype of some preppy rich teen/spoiled brat that they made their parents buy. I had to do double shifts for mine (damn minimum wage)
net-cat
Infernal Kitty
Heh. I know the feeling. (I can count on one hand the number of big-ticket electronics items that my parents gave to me growing up. The rest I had to buy myself.)
mottled.kitten
the < to my 3
I don't like that iTunes turns your music into some other strange format that won't burn onto cd's.
m4a or something?
Anyway, I got a Samsung for Christmas--I love this thing. Screw you, iPod.
m4a or something?
Anyway, I got a Samsung for Christmas--I love this thing. Screw you, iPod.
Internet Police Chief
words
Whatever. 30 or something. It was bigger and the same price, that's the point and you know it, christ.
Digitalpotato
Rants like a Gryphon
I have an iPod nano because I only wanted something that would run music. If I wanted something that would run random applications, play arcade games, take pictures, play movies, store anime, have an OS, store messages, send messages, access the internet, play a farting noise, give me a random restaurant generator in town, act as a GPS, play anime, access youtube, send email, call people, text people, etc, then I would get a PDA that's built to do that, or even a Cell Phone. It has what I want and we got a discount on it. Although granted I probably should have gotten a much cheaper thing even if I barely paid anything for it at all.
lilEmber
Small Dragon
Well, actually I owned an iPod, and though I will always say a Zune is better, I never had a single issue with it, and it did everything it promised to do and more. It's just the Zune does everything an iPod or any music player can do, it's cheaper, holds more data per cost, has built in radio, wifi, zune-to-zune and zune-to-pc sync and transferring, you can tell what song is playing through the radio and download it wirelessly, audio recorder, bigger screen, games, syncs with xbox, can play flash, etc.
Though just about any music player needs its own application to sync, iTunes isn't that bad, and neither is any of them really, you don't have to use it because there's 3rd party ones such as songbird or winamp, it's just a program and you only need it running for when you sync anyway.
Most people are biased towards corporations, but honestly the iPod is fine with me. If apple made something better than another company like Microsoft or Sony, then I'd go for the best, not the brand.
Though just about any music player needs its own application to sync, iTunes isn't that bad, and neither is any of them really, you don't have to use it because there's 3rd party ones such as songbird or winamp, it's just a program and you only need it running for when you sync anyway.
Most people are biased towards corporations, but honestly the iPod is fine with me. If apple made something better than another company like Microsoft or Sony, then I'd go for the best, not the brand.
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Digitalpotato
Rants like a Gryphon
The iPod would really be a lot better to me if Apple added just one little feature....
....an on/off switch.
....an on/off switch.
lilEmber
Small Dragon
What? There is a off switch. You just set it to sleep mode, or leave it alone not playing for a while and it goes to sleep on its own anyway.
I rather like that.
net-cat
Infernal Kitty
Haha. No offense, but that makes you sound like an apologist.
Prospective User: "I need feature XYZ."
Apologist: "No you don't. Nobody needs XYZ, so we didn't include it."
... Linux community suffers the same problem. (Although they usually say "If you need it so bad add it yourself.")