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Iran War

Onnes

Member
The odds of Rick "Pornography Ban" Santorum winning are up there with the Mayan apocalypse. I don't see the US assisting Israel in an Iran strike unless it is part of a far wider international effort. It is completely against our own interests as a nation and everyone involved knows it regardless of the rhetoric.
 

Dragonfurry

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War in Iran dont give a shit. Its just another dumb war.
 

Gryphoneer

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The odds of Rick "Pornography Ban" Santorum winning are up there with the Mayan apocalypse.
I know Richard John "Let's found Gilead!" Santorum is a textbook example of an extremist loon, but then again some said similar things about Dubya.

I'm asking because some of my friends in the Army told me their superiors spoke of something going down in the region. Also, didn't the Navy dispatch a destroyer or aircraft carrier to the Strait of Hormuz recently?

It is completely against our own interests as a nation and everyone involved knows it regardless of the rhetoric.
Your nation's interests are whatever the interests of your corporate overlords are. If Halliburton wants control over particular oil sources, it gets it, no matter if it's in the Iraq or the Iran.
 

Onnes

Member
I know Richard John "Let's found Gilead!" Santorum is a textbook example of an extremist loon, but then again some said similar things about Dubya.

The only reason Santorum is even being mentioned here is that he ended up in the last chamber of anyone-but-Romney Republican roulette.

I'm asking because some of my friends in the Army told me their superiors spoke of something going down in the region. Also, didn't the Navy dispatch a destroyer or aircraft carrier to the Strait of Hormuz recently?

Iran has threatened to block the Strait in the past as well. If they did, we'd simply destroy all of their nearby assets in order to reopen oil shipping. They know damn well that any attempt to block shipments will end in severe losses. This is really a much different scenario, involving initial armed provocation from Iran, than any attempts to shut down their nuclear capabilities, and it probably wouldn't escalate into anything that could be called a war. We'd likely never even strike into the country proper.

Your nation's interests are whatever the interests of your corporate overlords are. If Halliburton wants control over particular oil sources, it gets it, no matter if it's in the Iraq or the Iran.

There are far more corporations that don't want to see a prolonged oil price increase due to conflict in Iran and diplomatic fuckups with the rest of the region.
 

Gryphoneer

20 Quatloos on "disruptive"
initial armed provocation from Iran
Who says anything would depend on that?

Iran's nuclear complex has been crippled by the American-Isreali joint cyberattack through Stuxnet and Duqu. Iran is reliant on the income of their oil exports, so this whole blockade talk is just saber-rattling.

So why is an entire fleet in the region?

They would simply resort to the same contingency plans they used in the Iraq. Prices may climb, but they will survive and have control over more of the last oil reserves of this planet in the end.
 

Onnes

Member
Who says anything would depend on that?

Iran's nuclear complex has been crippled by the American-Isreali joint cyberattack through Stuxnet and Duqu. Iran is reliant on the income of their oil exports, so this whole blockade talk is just saber-rattling.

So why is an entire fleet in the region?

If we were obligated to declare war in whatever region we sent a fleet to we'd be engaging most of the Earth. If Iran tries to close the Strait or engages in any sort of military action, we have assets in the area capable of handling it--this does not mean we are going to attack Iran.

They would simply resort to the same contingency plans they used in the Iraq. Prices may climb, but they will survive and have control over more of the last oil reserves of this planet in the end.

Your entire point of view hinges on the existence of a global conspiracy among hundreds of corporations and the US government, a conspiracy that would in fact be disadvantageous to those corporations on the decadal timescale. There's no way to even argue with it because it has no factual support and depends entirely on the paranoia of conspiracy theorists.
 

veeno

See ya latter ****ers.
War,war never changes.
 

Dragonfurry

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veeno

See ya latter ****ers.
Yes yes i do play fallout.

I dont want to set the world on fire.
 

Dragonfurry

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Someone plays fallout...



So then you do care. Your first post just said differently.

Let me rephrase what i said earlier. I dont care what America does over in Iran anymore.
 

Schwimmwagen

Well-Known Member
Let me rephrase what i said earlier. I dont care what America does over in Iran anymore.

You should, because most of seems rather... questionable, at times. It's not going to be very beneficial for the US citizens (or allied countries) if they really piss someone off.

I for one, really hate America's wars as e.g. Europeans always get dragged into them needlessly.
 

Cain

Guess what mood I'm in today.
You should, because most of seems rather... questionable, at times. It's not going to be very beneficial for the US citizens (or allied countries) if they really piss someone off.

I for one, really hate America's wars as e.g. Europeans always get dragged into them needlessly.
Or the other way round, e.g WWII, when pretty much all of Europe was fucked.

Anyways, I live in the Arabian gulf, so a was with Iran (which is just across the gulf) could be potentially dangerous.
And DF, Iran has a Nuclear program, which they say is for 'peaceful purposes'. If even the hint that a nuclear war could break out, you should be very concerned. War affects everyone, whether that like it or not.
 

Dragonfurry

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You should, because most of seems rather... questionable, at times. It's not going to be very beneficial for the US citizens (or allied countries) if they really piss someone off.

I for one, really hate America's wars as e.g. Europeans always get dragged into them needlessly.

I understand that but this is really my opinion on the subject so thats why Dont like to get involved in these war discussions.
 

Schwimmwagen

Well-Known Member
Or the other way round, e.g WWII, when pretty much all of Europe was fucked.

Anyways, I live in the Arabian gulf, so a was with Iran (which is just across the gulf) could be potentially dangerous.
And DF, Iran has a Nuclear program, which they say is for 'peaceful purposes'. If even the hint that a nuclear war could break out, you should be very concerned. War affects everyone, whether that like it or not.

I agree with the latter, but as for the former, the US did not bother to get involved despite TONS of pleading from Europeans until the Japanese attacked the US where it hurt them the most - several hundred miles from the mainland.

I understand that but this is really my opinion on the subject so thats why Dont like to get involved in these war discussions.

"Baww, nobody agrees with me."
 

Dreaming

Member
Considering there's a high risk that this war can involve nuclear weapons, I'd say that's a good enough reason to care....
 

ArielMT

'Net Help Desk
I think the US is more likely to tangle with Syria than Iran. We're more likely to play silent supporter to the Arab Spring igniting in Iran (especially if the stolen '09 "election" is still on Iranians' minds) than get engaged in an open war with them.

Edit: Both are mistakes.
 

Aetius

It's Me Gordon, Barney from Black Mesa
I for one, really hate America's wars as e.g. Europeans always get dragged into them needlessly.

You guys dragged us into Libya >:V (and the war went all)

If Iran would go to war with anyone, it would be Saudi Arabia.
 

Term_the_Schmuck

Most Interesting Man on FAF
I'd expect moar Cold War-esque shenanigans than an all-out war.

If the US really believes that Iran has nukes or the capability of producing them, then M.A.D. should keep anyone with a brain cell in their head at bay.

As for any talk on Santorum, I don't know why we're even still bothering with this. Every outlet by now has pretty much conceded that Romney's getting the bid. Everything up until the RNC is pretty much just manufactured drama for the purpose of ratings.
 

Alstor

And twice as shiny
You wouldn't have to worry about an Iran war with Rick Perry.

Because he'll send us right back to Iraq. :D
 

ArielMT

'Net Help Desk
You wouldn't have to worry about an Iran war with Rick Perry.

Because he'll send us right back to Iraq. :D

I don't know. What with the US still being in Afghanistan, that would put Iran ... B) ... between Iraq and a hard place. Yeah!
 

Mayfurr

Mostly Harmless
I agree with the latter, but as for the former, the US did not bother to get involved despite TONS of pleading from Europeans until the Japanese attacked the US where it hurt them the most - several hundred miles from the mainland.

And even after that, it was Hitler that declared war on the US as opposed to the US declaring war on Nazi Germany.
 
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