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Is there some extra SFW filter I'm missing?

PiedPipecleaner

Surviving on my last braincell
So I just started really delving into the community and fandom and as an ace decided I really don't want to see any of the nsfw stuff, so I turned on the sfw filter. Great! Right...? :T

At least half of the stuff on the front page I find is still very much nsfw. Mostly fetish art, some softcore porn, and just yesterday I got the unlucky experience of seeing an irl photograph of mutilated genitals. So uh... great start. Is there some extra filter I'm missing? Some hidden setting I need to switch? I tried googling it and according to other people with the filter on they aren't getting nearly as much of this stuff as I seem to be seeing, so what am I missing here?

Edit: Just realized I think I posted this in the wrong section but I'm not sure how to delete it so I guess if it's a big issue maybe the mods can move it? Oh well.
 
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Rimna

Well-Known Member
Unfortunately there's no additional filter to block out this type of content. It's up to the users to tag their stuff properly and as you can see, it doesn't happen.

And I assure you - you don't have to be an ace to want to avoid seeing some of the nasty shit that shows on the front page or when you search for something. Some things have made me want to want to delete my memory.
 

ConorHyena

From out of the rain.
yeh the NSFW filter depends on the tagging efforts of each individual user (and the definition of what 'SFW' consists of varies from person to person) additionally there's people just plain out trolling.

I haven't used E621 for this purpose but despite its reputation as a porn site it offers a very powerful content filtering system and AFAIK it also has a community of SFW people. (e621 uses tag what you see community tags so it's less dependant on a single person's effort or lack thereof)
 

The_biscuits_532

Eternally Confused Feline
yeh the NSFW filter depends on the tagging efforts of each individual user (and the definition of what 'SFW' consists of varies from person to person) additionally there's people just plain out trolling.

I haven't used E621 for this purpose but despite its reputation as a porn site it offers a very powerful content filtering system and AFAIK it also has a community of SFW people. (e621 uses tag what you see community tags so it's less dependant on a single person's effort or lack thereof)
E926 is the SFW-only counterpart
 

Punji

Daedric Prince of Secrets
FA does not currently offer a greater scope of this feature than it does now, unfortunately.

e621 also features a Safe mode, for only viewing clean content. Though this may also be achieved through tagging and/or blacklisting.
 

Rimna

Well-Known Member
FA does not currently offer a greater scope of this feature than it does now, unfortunately.

e621 also features a Safe mode, for only viewing clean content. Though this may also be achieved through tagging and/or blacklisting.

Yes, e621 has great blacklisting system. Though I find the site's interface to be somewhat outdated but hey - at least it lets you filter out most things you don't wanna see.
 

PiedPipecleaner

Surviving on my last braincell
E926 is the SFW-only counterpart
Ah cool! I only just took a quick look but this place is already looking way better at filtering!

Thank y’all for the suggestions/info, I think I still need to stick around fa for the commission potential but since there’s nothing more I can do with the filter I’m just gonna try and avoid the front page if I can lol.
 

Inafox

Member
FA already has the Extended Search. Introducing such a degree of bureaucracy and gatekeeping on the site is a very bad idea, it's not a booru.
One of the biggest selling point of FA has always been the diversity in fetishes, that's why the front page is full of it. Encouraging blacklists will push its diversity away.
Also, not all fetishes are sexual, and plenty of ace folk have fetishes. Some may argue that furry is a fetish, certainly plenty on dA does.
There are also various blacklists available in the form of user scripts and extensions, according to a quick Google search. It's not a common opinion on the site to have blacklists, so that might be your best option of the Extended Search isn't enough for you. But being an ace has nothing to do with disliking specific fetishes or being sex-negative and on the overall, being anti-furryporn is possible even when someone is sex-positive, and many such users get by with just the SFW filter without complaint.
If you're seeing anything that's against the ToS (e.g. mis-filtered NSFW) that's a reportable issue. Otherwise, it's not solvable by the FA administration, because as others have mentioned it's really up to the uploader to tag things right. Boorus like e926/e621 on the other hand use tags and those are managed by the community in a far more critical fashion and there is typically also negativistic score and approval systems on such sites, as well. FA is more a general art site and far more diversity-oriented, just so as long as you keep within the legal content policy, so blacklists in general are quite incongruent with the overall community spirit.
 

Foxridley

A fox named Ridley
So I just started really delving into the community and fandom and as an ace decided I really don't want to see any of the nsfw stuff, so I turned on the sfw filter. Great! Right...? :T

At least half of the stuff on the front page I find is still very much nsfw. Mostly fetish art, some softcore porn, and just yesterday I got the unlucky experience of seeing an irl photograph of mutilated genitals. So uh... great start. Is there some extra filter I'm missing? Some hidden setting I need to switch? I tried googling it and according to other people with the filter on they aren't getting nearly as much of this stuff as I seem to be seeing, so what am I missing here?

Edit: Just realized I think I posted this in the wrong section but I'm not sure how to delete it so I guess if it's a big issue maybe the mods can move it? Oh well.
Well, the mutilated genital guy was a troll and the photos were a blatant AUP violation. We get trolls like this sometimes who deliberately post disturbing images like that en masse to upset people. Folks also tag nsfw art as general by mistake as well, too.
But that aside, a lot of people on FA seem to think it’s sfw as long as no naughty bits are visible.

Also, @Flamingo is usually the one who moves threads when it’s needed.
 
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Judge Spear

Well-Known Member
FA already has the Extended Search. Introducing such a degree of bureaucracy and gatekeeping on the site is a very bad idea, it's not a booru.
One of the biggest selling point of FA has always been the diversity in fetishes, that's why the front page is full of it. Encouraging blacklists will push its diversity away.
Also, not all fetishes are sexual, and plenty of ace folk have fetishes. Some may argue that furry is a fetish, certainly plenty on dA does.
There are also various blacklists available in the form of user scripts and extensions, according to a quick Google search. It's not a common opinion on the site to have blacklists, so that might be your best option of the Extended Search isn't enough for you. But being an ace has nothing to do with disliking specific fetishes or being sex-negative and on the overall, being anti-furryporn is possible even when someone is sex-positive, and many such users get by with just the SFW filter without complaint.
If you're seeing anything that's against the ToS (e.g. mis-filtered NSFW) that's a reportable issue. Otherwise, it's not solvable by the FA administration, because as others have mentioned it's really up to the uploader to tag things right. Boorus like e926/e621 on the other hand use tags and those are managed by the community in a far more critical fashion and there is typically also negativistic score and approval systems on such sites, as well. FA is more a general art site and far more diversity-oriented, just so as long as you keep within the legal content policy, so blacklists in general are quite incongruent with the overall community spirit.
As a porn artist myself, all I have to say is simply

what in the sweet holy fuck
 
L

LameFox

Guest
FA already has the Extended Search. Introducing such a degree of bureaucracy and gatekeeping on the site is a very bad idea, it's not a booru.
One of the biggest selling point of FA has always been the diversity in fetishes, that's why the front page is full of it. Encouraging blacklists will push its diversity away.
Also, not all fetishes are sexual, and plenty of ace folk have fetishes. Some may argue that furry is a fetish, certainly plenty on dA does.
There are also various blacklists available in the form of user scripts and extensions, according to a quick Google search. It's not a common opinion on the site to have blacklists, so that might be your best option of the Extended Search isn't enough for you. But being an ace has nothing to do with disliking specific fetishes or being sex-negative and on the overall, being anti-furryporn is possible even when someone is sex-positive, and many such users get by with just the SFW filter without complaint.
If you're seeing anything that's against the ToS (e.g. mis-filtered NSFW) that's a reportable issue. Otherwise, it's not solvable by the FA administration, because as others have mentioned it's really up to the uploader to tag things right. Boorus like e926/e621 on the other hand use tags and those are managed by the community in a far more critical fashion and there is typically also negativistic score and approval systems on such sites, as well. FA is more a general art site and far more diversity-oriented, just so as long as you keep within the legal content policy, so blacklists in general are quite incongruent with the overall community spirit.
Allowing people to blacklist things does not prevent you from posting them, nor prevent people from looking for them. There is no reason for it to push anything anywhere, all it does is let people who already don't want to see them use the site without doing that (most of the time). This should really be positive for all parties involved. Outside of puritans who think fetishes existing somewhere in the universe is ruining society or w/e, there's no reason for conflict or resentment to arise over matters of personal taste if people can just avoid things that bother them.

If they can't avoid those things... well, think about it: If I'm a user browsing this site and I keep seeing something on it that disgusts me, what do you think that will make me feel about the people posting it? If I ask for a change that would let me avoid it without demanding it be banned from the site, so we can both do our thing in peace, and they argue that I should have to resort to 3rd party means of blocking it, what do you think that would make me feel about them? Are you expecting something good?
 

Dragoneer

Site Developer
Site Director
Administrator
The definition of "SFW" varies from person to person, and while some things can be quasi-risque, most of the content allowed by default are variations of concepts/ideas you can find in any Disney cartoon, or are old animation tropes. There's no one solution that works for everyone.

We are developing a tag and block system, but that even that won't be a perfect solution.
 

TrishaCat

The Iron Masked Cat in the FAF
Encouraging blacklists will push its diversity away.
Blacklists are personal; it's not about diversity its about having control over what content you see. People shouldn't have to use scripts just to avoid content on a website primarily for hosting art. I don't wanna see everyone's art. I wanna see the art I want to see.
 

Inafox

Member
Blacklists are personal; it's not about diversity its about having control over what content you see. People shouldn't have to use scripts just to avoid content on a website primarily for hosting art. I don't wanna see everyone's art. I wanna see the art I want to see.
Yes, that's the problem. Furry is a diverse community, FA is a furry community site. If you don't like 99% of the community, then you just end up blacklisting most of the site. FA already ensures most content that it considers too extreme doesn't end up on the site or at least in view on a pretty democratic basis.
Also if you form a echo chamber around yourself, you won't evolve. Like once before I was a furry and found them a bit gross, but by being exposed to them I learnt to be open-minded and they embraced me for my own differences. I am broadening my tastes and inspiration of an artist even every day thanks to sites like these. Certainly furries wouldn't have had existed if the concept wasn't pushed into the open, it was the people being accepted for their diverse fetishes that created the community. The furry subculture is inherently fetishistic no matter how many deny it and it's that attitude that has allowed furry to flourish in the first place. On FA with million-plus of long-term users, out of the 50,000 concurrent accounts, a fairly new and popular "fetish" artist can absorb around up to 40,000 watchers. That alone is a massive indicator that the majority of FA's active netizens are here for the diverse content.

The very existence of the mention of a blacklist was one of the reasons why sites like Weasyl were created and also died off in their very infancy despite most furries on here knowing those sites exist. In the end, FA would end up following the footsteps of the other art sites that died or failed this way, and those sites are also often full of alt-right furries. Just remember that people come to places like FA because their content isn't embraced elsewhere on the human-oriented web. I also would dread the day if FA did have a blacklist when the forums would be full of negatively minded topics like "any recommendations on what cringeworthy tags to blacklist?", it's just unnecessary drama and encourages hate. Most of us are here to get away from that.
 

Ziggy Schlacht

Hasn't figured out this "straight" business
I should save all these threads, and just link them. This question comes up every few months, but at least this one's limited to "I don't want to see it." Usually it's someone trying to say "y'all are too horny." Though you definitely cited an example that's 100% trolling.

I maintain that FA should add a "fetish" ticker to the submission page, and add it as an exclusion. While you can argue "if its intended as fetish art, it's NSFW" but plenty of art otherwise doesn't really meet the NSFW definition and wouldn't be flagged. It would help with some stuff, not others, but might help clean up the fringe stuff.

You can use boolean operators, btw, to refine your searching. So, say you wanted some pictures of furs holding balloons. "Balloon !inflation" then making it SFW would help, though it's not perfect. It still comes down to tagging, which as many have said isn't flawless.
 

PiedPipecleaner

Surviving on my last braincell
Yes, that's the problem. Furry is a diverse community, FA is a furry community site. If you don't like 99% of the community, then you just end up blacklisting most of the site. FA already ensures most content that it considers too extreme doesn't end up on the site or at least in view on a pretty democratic basis.
Also if you form a echo chamber around yourself, you won't evolve. Like once before I was a furry and found them a bit gross, but by being exposed to them I learnt to be open-minded and they embraced me for my own differences. I am broadening my tastes and inspiration of an artist even every day thanks to sites like these. Certainly furries wouldn't have had existed if the concept wasn't pushed into the open, it was the people being accepted for their diverse fetishes that created the community. The furry subculture is inherently fetishistic no matter how many deny it and it's that attitude that has allowed furry to flourish in the first place. On FA with million-plus of long-term users, out of the 50,000 concurrent accounts, a fairly new and popular "fetish" artist can absorb around up to 40,000 watchers. That alone is a massive indicator that the majority of FA's active netizens are here for the diverse content.

The very existence of the mention of a blacklist was one of the reasons why sites like Weasyl were created and also died off in their very infancy despite most furries on here knowing those sites exist. In the end, FA would end up following the footsteps of the other art sites that died or failed this way, and those sites are also often full of alt-right furries. Just remember that people come to places like FA because their content isn't embraced elsewhere on the human-oriented web. I also would dread the day if FA did have a blacklist when the forums would be full of negatively minded topics like "any recommendations on what cringeworthy tags to blacklist?", it's just unnecessary drama and encourages hate. Most of us are here to get away from that.
Jesus christ my dude just because I’m a furry does not mean I should be forced to look at fetish and softcore porn art in order to “broaden my tastes”. Would you still say that if I were a minor asking? I’m not even shaming anyone, I’m just stating I personally don’t want it on my feed, and I never even mentioned a blacklist, you’re the one who brought it up, but honestly after hearing you talk about it it sounds like a nice idea lol. Anyway, this whole thing has literally nothing to do with my original question in the first place. All I wanted to know was if there was an extra filter I missed. I was quickly answered, and even got a mod answer, so I see no reason for this thread to continue living.
 

TrishaCat

The Iron Masked Cat in the FAF
Also if you form a echo chamber around yourself, you won't evolve. Like once before I was a furry and found them a bit gross, but by being exposed to them I learnt to be open-minded and they embraced me for my own differences.
But this is just a furry art site, its not the same as exposing yourself to differing political opinions or new cultures. Exposing yourself to new opinions is one thing, exposing yourself to art you already know you don't like is something else entirely. For example, I know I don't I don't like fighting games. So I don't spend time in fighting game communities as I'd get nothing out of them. This isn't because I have something against fighting game fans or the games themselves, they just aren't my cup of tea. What you're suggesting would be like forcing fighting game information down my throat when I don't have anything to gain from it.
To use a more extreme example, this forum is split into subsections based on general topics. What if it wasn't split up? The people who mostly want to talk about video games would have their threads intermixed with threads about roleplaying and threads about writing. It'd just make people less willing to come since they can't find the topics they really want to involve themselves in.
The very existence of the mention of a blacklist was one of the reasons why sites like Weasyl were created and also died off in their very infancy despite most furries on here knowing those sites exist.
I'm not an artist but I thought sites like Weasyl died because they didn't do anything especially new or helpful to improve upon existing art sites. Everyone's already got their clients and community in places like FA and Twitter, they don't want to move elsewhere unless they offer significant incentives to move. Heaven knows FA isn't the best, but at least everyone is already there and it serves the main functions people need for an art site to flourish.
"any recommendations on what cringeworthy tags to blacklist?",
Mods could just delete those, also do other sites with better blacklisting systems even get threads like that? Not to be rude but this seems like a made up problem.
 

Foxridley

A fox named Ridley
Yes, that's the problem. Furry is a diverse community, FA is a furry community site. If you don't like 99% of the community, then you just end up blacklisting most of the site. FA already ensures most content that it considers too extreme doesn't end up on the site or at least in view on a pretty democratic basis.
Also if you form a echo chamber around yourself, you won't evolve. Like once before I was a furry and found them a bit gross, but by being exposed to them I learnt to be open-minded and they embraced me for my own differences. I am broadening my tastes and inspiration of an artist even every day thanks to sites like these. Certainly furries wouldn't have had existed if the concept wasn't pushed into the open, it was the people being accepted for their diverse fetishes that created the community. The furry subculture is inherently fetishistic no matter how many deny it and it's that attitude that has allowed furry to flourish in the first place. On FA with million-plus of long-term users, out of the 50,000 concurrent accounts, a fairly new and popular "fetish" artist can absorb around up to 40,000 watchers. That alone is a massive indicator that the majority of FA's active netizens are here for the diverse content.

The very existence of the mention of a blacklist was one of the reasons why sites like Weasyl were created and also died off in their very infancy despite most furries on here knowing those sites exist. In the end, FA would end up following the footsteps of the other art sites that died or failed this way, and those sites are also often full of alt-right furries. Just remember that people come to places like FA because their content isn't embraced elsewhere on the human-oriented web. I also would dread the day if FA did have a blacklist when the forums would be full of negatively minded topics like "any recommendations on what cringeworthy tags to blacklist?", it's just unnecessary drama and encourages hate. Most of us are here to get away from that.
It's not like exposing yourself to diverse opinions and such. People come to FA to look at art they like. I don't think it's going to broaden anyone's horizon by making them see art of vore, dirty diapers, or what have you, that they don't want to see. I don't see many "what should I blacklist" threads popping up, since people know what they like and don't like.
 

Dragoneer

Site Developer
Site Director
Administrator
It's not like exposing yourself to diverse opinions and such. People come to FA to look at art they like. I don't think it's going to broaden anyone's horizon by making them see art of vore, dirty diapers, or what have you, that they don't want to see. I don't see many "what should I blacklist" threads popping up, since people know what they like and don't like.
Also, I do recommend using the term "block list." While blacklist is a more traditional term, it's a good thing to move away from the old tropes of white = good, black = bad. Our official term for the system we're developing is "tag and block," and will support tag blocking. It's in active development currently.

But that said, yeah, we don't support "lists" of what to block, because everybody has their own preferences and interests. People should make their own decisions on what to block, not have other people choose for them.
 

Judge Spear

Well-Known Member
Yes, that's the problem. Furry is a diverse community, FA is a furry community site. If you don't like 99% of the community, then you just end up blacklisting most of the site. FA already ensures most content that it considers too extreme doesn't end up on the site or at least in view on a pretty democratic basis.
Also if you form a echo chamber around yourself, you won't evolve. Like once before I was a furry and found them a bit gross, but by being exposed to them I learnt to be open-minded and they embraced me for my own differences. I am broadening my tastes and inspiration of an artist even every day thanks to sites like these. Certainly furries wouldn't have had existed if the concept wasn't pushed into the open, it was the people being accepted for their diverse fetishes that created the community. The furry subculture is inherently fetishistic no matter how many deny it and it's that attitude that has allowed furry to flourish in the first place. On FA with million-plus of long-term users, out of the 50,000 concurrent accounts, a fairly new and popular "fetish" artist can absorb around up to 40,000 watchers. That alone is a massive indicator that the majority of FA's active netizens are here for the diverse content.

The very existence of the mention of a blacklist was one of the reasons why sites like Weasyl were created and also died off in their very infancy despite most furries on here knowing those sites exist. In the end, FA would end up following the footsteps of the other art sites that died or failed this way, and those sites are also often full of alt-right furries. Just remember that people come to places like FA because their content isn't embraced elsewhere on the human-oriented web. I also would dread the day if FA did have a blacklist when the forums would be full of negatively minded topics like "any recommendations on what cringeworthy tags to blacklist?", it's just unnecessary drama and encourages hate. Most of us are here to get away from that.
Goofy ass posts like this ruin it for the rest of the furry community. This is some of the most insane coomer rambling I've ever seen on this site and every sentence you've typed here is 100% wrong.

FA is still kicking because it's old. It's where most people who matter in the fandom got their start and no one wanted to budge. For all it's shit, it solved a problem nearly 20 years ago of furries having no central online hub. That's all people needed.
Weasyl died because the staff was lazy with no commitment. The constant removal of features they didn't want to maintain and making ass backwards rulings with no draw to the site screwed them. The site solved no problems to entice people to another dime a dozen art gallery host with sparse updates. This can be said for numerous upstarts that have come and died in the last 8 years in and out of the furry community.

The turn of the social media age didn't help either. Had nothing to do with "stifling diverse porn fetishes". What the fuck are you talking about? What am I looking at?

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quoting_mungo

Well-Known Member
It's not like exposing yourself to diverse opinions and such. People come to FA to look at art they like. I don't think it's going to broaden anyone's horizon by making them see art of vore, dirty diapers, or what have you, that they don't want to see. I don't see many "what should I blacklist" threads popping up, since people know what they like and don't like.
The only type of “what should I block?” questions I have ever seen in any context (including sites like Derpibooru where these lists are a large part to the site function) are “I want to avoid seeing content like this; what tags do I block to make this happen?” Which are good questions IMO - people who are not into particular content may not know the terms used, and forcing them to open stuff they’d rather not see in order to check and compare tags kind of defeats the point, yanno?

I’m a big fan of letting people curate their own experience, though with how long FA’s been established I do also think that it’s important to temper expectations. Not because the feature would inherently be low quality, but because so much content already exists that isn’t sufficiently tagged to work well within a yes/no list system.
 

QueenSekhmet

A Nightmare Dressed Like A Daydream
So I just started really delving into the community and fandom and as an ace decided I really don't want to see any of the nsfw stuff, so I turned on the sfw filter. Great! Right...? :T

At least half of the stuff on the front page I find is still very much nsfw. Mostly fetish art, some softcore porn, and just yesterday I got the unlucky experience of seeing an irl photograph of mutilated genitals. So uh... great start. Is there some extra filter I'm missing? Some hidden setting I need to switch? I tried googling it and according to other people with the filter on they aren't getting nearly as much of this stuff as I seem to be seeing, so what am I missing here?

Edit: Just realized I think I posted this in the wrong section but I'm not sure how to delete it so I guess if it's a big issue maybe the mods can move it? Oh well.
i feel you: i'm not even ace and i still don't want to look at it all the time (and at the risk of being accused of "kink shaming" again: some fetishes are fucking weird and i don't want to look at people's hyper anything) but the fandom is so chock full of it (and then get's offended when you dare speak ill of it) and clearly "just filter it" doesn't work when you can just so much as ENTER the site and there it is because some idiot didn't even bother to call it porn when it's clearly porn. not even DA has so much of it on their front page (it's THERE but it's unlikely to be the first damn thing you see when you enter the site).

so ya,i feel for you.
 
Okay I honestly didn't read all of that discourse above, so forgive me if these were answered somewhere, but I have a few questions about this:
1. Is there an option to report/flag something as NSFW if it hasn't been tagged properly?
2. Is fetish art without any nudity (like feeder, inflation, and vore) considered NSFW?
3. Will there be a way to specifically sort out fetish content, regardless of whether or not it's NSFW?

I found out that selecting "general furry art" under "type" in browse options is a good way to sort out fetish content, but that comes at the expense of choosing literally anything else under "type". Do with that what you will.

Also, maybe this is just a weird oversight, but the specialty category groups stuff like Digimon and Sonic in with fetishes instead of putting those things in the media category. Am I missing something? lol
 

ConorHyena

From out of the rain.
Okay I honestly didn't read all of that discourse above, so forgive me if these were answered somewhere, but I have a few questions about this:
1. Is there an option to report/flag something as NSFW if it hasn't been tagged properly?
2. Is fetish art without any nudity (like feeder, inflation, and vore) considered NSFW?
3. Will there be a way to specifically sort out fetish content, regardless of whether or not it's NSFW?

I found out that selecting "general furry art" under "type" in browse options is a good way to sort out fetish content, but that comes at the expense of choosing literally anything else under "type". Do with that what you will.

Also, maybe this is just a weird oversight, but the specialty category groups stuff like Digimon and Sonic in with fetishes instead of putting those things in the media category. Am I missing something? lol

I only have answers to two of those issues.

1. - yes. There's a report function under 'support' you can link the submission and raise this subject with staff.
2. - In my opinion, yes, but there's no fixed consensus on this and a large grey area. I also don't make any decisions so
 

Inferndragon

Dragon Doodler with a Tail Snake
Okay I honestly didn't read all of that discourse above, so forgive me if these were answered somewhere, but I have a few questions about this:
1. Is there an option to report/flag something as NSFW if it hasn't been tagged properly?
2. Is fetish art without any nudity (like feeder, inflation, and vore) considered NSFW?
3. Will there be a way to specifically sort out fetish content, regardless of whether or not it's NSFW?

I found out that selecting "general furry art" under "type" in browse options is a good way to sort out fetish content, but that comes at the expense of choosing literally anything else under "type". Do with that what you will.

Also, maybe this is just a weird oversight, but the specialty category groups stuff like Digimon and Sonic in with fetishes instead of putting those things in the media category. Am I missing something? lol
Characters in Sexy poses or implied sexual acts probably should go under the "Mature" filter regardless if they are wearing underwear or not.
The other problem you have is that people slowly push the boundaries further and further in general.
Where is the cut off point in general.

Another question that would probably make the most sense for the SFW thing... If i showed that art to your boss then showed it to a customer. Would you get fired (or even a warning for it?)
 
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