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It Finally Happened

x_eleven

Active Member
Anyone remember THE CSI episode that will live in Furry infamy: "Fur and Loathing"?

After 15 long years, it's happened again: another TV series featuring furries at a furcon: Lucifer. Oh, and it's a crime drama. and some of the same people are involved in Lucifer that were involved in "Fur and Loathing". This aired last night. Cringe moment?

Not exactly. OK, when one character, Ella Lopez (the forensic specialist whose character looks like a rip-off of Abbey from NCIS) said: "I know: Furries get a bad rap, but they're almost never sexual. I mean, most of the time, totally wholesome... If that's what you were thinking" to the detective, Chloe, that was a little cringy, but just a little.

Chloe wore the victim's fur suit to the con to find a suspect, "Wesley" and got attacked by another fur suiter. Brawls are bad form at furcons, and that just isn't gonna happen. No furpiles that were done to look like a scene from Dante's Inferno though.

Otherwise, the producers got a lot right. Unlike CSI, they got real, live fursuiters instead of stand-ins: Casting call. There was a whole bunch of speculation that this was gonna be another media created disaster. This time, it wasn't. The furcon scene didn't last all that long, but it's still free advertising. This time, Hollywood treated us fairly.

What a difference 15 years makes.
 
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Deleted member 82554

Guest
Remember it? We're trying to forget it.

It's always nice to know the fandom is a target for scrutiny, although at the rate we're going it'll soon be more than about a bunch of nerds that get horny over anthro crap.
 
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Deleted member 82554

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You make that sound like it's a bad thing.
With how politically charged the fandom has been lately, it kinda is. If we're to be seen for more than what we are now, it better be for the right reasons and accurately portrayed that is actually representative of the fandom.
 
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Rochat

Stay pawsitive.
With how politically charged the fandom has been lately, it kinda is. If we're to be seen for more than what we are now, it better be for the right reasons and accurately portrayed that is actually representative of the fandom.
Whoops I misquoted that. I meant to imply there was nothing wrong the horny nerds.
 

x_eleven

Active Member
Tbh I have yet to have even seen that infamous CSI episode.

I have it on my HD, but I downloaded it a dog's age ago, and don't remember where. Maybe Google to see if it's still available somewhere? You're really not missing much, it was pretty lousy storylet and for reasons that had nothing to do with Furry. A mega continuity error, and other errors in details, such as not hearing slot machines in the background. You can't be at a convention at any Vegas hotel and not be out of sight and/or sound of slot machines. Details like that.
 
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Simo

Professional Watermelon Farmer
Totally wholesome?????

I resent being seen as totally wholesome! :p

'Totally wholesome' makes me sound like granola or kale or something...
 
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Massan Otter

Guest
Hey, Kale is good, if you deep fry it or soak it in gravy!
I feel like saying "almost never sexual" is over-compensating by a long way - the sexualised side of the fandom is not insignificant and shouldn't be regarded as a problem provided that it stays between adults and some attention is payed to appropriate places and times.
 

Simo

Professional Watermelon Farmer
Hey, Kale is good, if you deep fry it or soak it in gravy!
I feel like saying "almost never sexual" is over-compensating by a long way - the sexualised side of the fandom is not insignificant and shouldn't be regarded as a problem provided that it stays between adults and some attention is payed to appropriate places and times.

Funny I like all veggies...except the evil that is Kale! Soylent green is kale!

And furries.
 

Skychickens

Late Healer Ferret
I know I saw that episode once but. I didn't care much.

Interesting someone else decided to bring it up though. You'd think with how prevalent we are it would more often.

Like the time Castle tried to explain what shipping and shippers were...except that was more of an embarrassment...even a 13 year old girl knows what a ship is. Get on the same page. The internet isn't hard to traverse for your research when writing things guys.
 

MadKiyo

Furry from the discount section
Bleh, another crime show. How can we make this one different? Add Satan, of course!

Though really, that sounds like a terrible mistake. Don't try to make amends for an episode about furries more than a decade ago on a different show, it's not like average Joe or current fandomgoers understand what's going on.
 

x_eleven

Active Member
Though really, that sounds like a terrible mistake. Don't try to make amends for an episode about furries more than a decade ago on a different show, it's not like average Joe or current fandomgoers understand what's going on.

I don't think it's so much a case of making amends, more like lesson learned. Jerry Bruckheimer was a producer for both Lucifer and CSI. There is no way he wasn't aware of the back lash. It was all over the CSI forums and widely around the 'Net in Ought 3.

"Fur and Loathing" was almost 15 years ago, and we probably have members here who weren't even born at that time, or shortly before, and wouldn't remember seing it. They also wouldn't remember how it was back in those days when Furry was still very much a fringe interest and therefore safe for treatment as a dirty joke. That was a few years before it began to dawn on Hollywood execs and financial analysts that furcons brought in BIG BUX to local economies and it's not a good idea to be pissing off mayors, city councilmen, state officials, the CEOs of travel agencies, airlines, car rentals, by pissing off big contributors to local economies. It wasn't quite two years later that Furries got the right kind of attention: All the Rage in the US. Pissing off your potential customers isn't good business.

" Didn't this show just get cancelled stateside?" Yep. Of course, the die-hards are campaigning for a revival.
 
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BahgDaddy

Guest
Why do I need to worry about Furry reputation? I want to be a complete furfag who like browsing weird porn that other weird people have drawn. And writing cute stuff like Warriors cat novels and writing my own furry stuff and such, and people can take their opinions of all that and kindly find an orifice tp stuff it up.
 

x_eleven

Active Member
It really wasn't a big deal at all.

Even at the time, it wasn't that big of a deal. The original intent for this episode was for it to be a good deal more lurid. At least the SoCal Furries got a last minute rewrite of the script that moderated it after bringing in Dark Fox to work with the writers. We didn't come off looking too bad, actually. More free advertising, more new members. I wouldn't have heard of Furry without seeing that episode.
 

x_eleven

Active Member
Yes.. the media cannot be controlled; but we can certainly control our own actions.
Yes.. the media cannot be controlled; but we can certainly control our own actions.

We don't have to control the media. That's the point: it has since dawned on them that Furries have a lot of income to pump up local economies and fatten the bottom lines of hotel chains, airlines, travel agencies, etc, and that the attendance at furcons has been growing. It isn't good business to be pissing off paying customers. The advertisers whose adverts appear on these shows will police the media for us.
 

Connor J. Coyote

¥otie ¥otezer
We don't have to control the media. That's the point: it has since dawned on them that Furries have a lot of income to pump up local economies and fatten the bottom lines of hotel chains, airlines, travel agencies, etc, and that the attendance at furcons has been growing. It isn't good business to be pissing off paying customers. The advertisers whose adverts appear on these shows will police the media for us.
It's possible. It all depends on whether the media outlets, (and the advertisers that appear on them) - will care enough about the Furry community that much, (to not cast the Fandom in any bad light) in the future.

It remains to be seen - if that will be the case, I suppose.

For myself, I still haven't seen that CSI episode yet, (let alone the Lucifer one).. even though I downloaded it from Youtube ages ago. I imagine one of these days, (when I'm in an inquisitive mood) - I'll connect the flash drive (that it's file is stored on) into my PC, and then I'll hit the play button.

When I get around to doing that, I'll see what all the hype was about.
 
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