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Kothorix's new video makes me want to stop being a furry.

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Meikiron

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Seriously. I watched it all. It almost made me fucking cry.
seriously now i'm a bit depressed and angry that the fandom that i like and want to be associated with is like this, and i feel like taking it out on either myself or this $200 music sound module my dad bought me that's on my desk. i'm trying to restrain myself.

The main points in the video (which are also the reasons why I want to leave) are:

- If people are going to prey on little children and get them to do stuff they shouldn't,
- If the fandom is going to be a breeding ground for horny teens, kiddy fuckers, and animal fuckers,
- if people are going to be sociopathic about sex ("OwO i will ask you to rp with me until you get annoyed and you block me", i was one of these people so I know what it was like),
- if STDs are going to be given to people in the fandom without people's consent,
- if furries are going to be the degenerate sex freaks that they constantly claim not to be,
- if the fandom is going to be full of really hateful people,
- if the fandom is going to be full of special snowflakes and people defending them, and full of depressed and socially awkward people and shit, who only want to bitch and moan and rant, and cuddle if they want,
- if the fandom is going to be perpetually high-school-minded without ever growing up, without any maturity,
- if the fandom is going to be a "hivemind" full of SJW's who take things out of context and drive people to the point of suicide, and an "anti-hivemind" who is supposedly against this "hivemind" but does the exact same things as said "hivemind",
- if the fandom's "rules" are going to be hypocritical (e.g. feral artwork is okay because it's just art, but no cub art isn't, again, the work of the "hivemind"),
- if the "vocal minority" is going to be 1/3 of the fandom, instead of 5% like people claim it to be (and that people even make this claim),
- if people are going to claim that the fandom is better than it is,

- if the fandom is going to be incessantly toxic,
- if the fandom is going to have a higher concentration of the listed above than any other fandom,
then people should not be a part of the fandom.

Like I WANT to be a part of the fandom but these things greatly concern me.

Another thing is this gem I found:

The Furry fandom is overtly sexual. Every single one of the points this guy listed is 100% true except that I'd consider the "vocal minority" to be larger and even a majority. The thing with furries is unlike most fandoms there is no central focus. There isn't a game or show or anything that has a group of fans surrounding it, it's just a bunch of people that are weirdly attracted to animals. If you cut out the NSFW part and be an "SFW furry" then you are depriving yourself of 99% of the fandom's focus. As much as talking about "degenerates" sounds dumb, furries truly fit that definition. Most of the furry fandom's appeal is art and, if not most, I'd say that there's a tremendous amount of disgusting drawn bestiality that is justified because they make the dogs look like people. I hate the fandom because from personal experience and observation furries are almost exclusively focused on sex, drama, and porn. The public hates the fandom because without any personal experience and very minimal observation they see the same thing. And in regards to the Kero the Wolf "drama", most of the fandom made tweets about how "we as the fandom need to do better, we can do it guys! =D" which is just the same as "Thoughts and prayers" when a mass shooting happens in that it is meaningless talk and accomplishes no change.

Like seriously idk what to think or do.
 

The "Shy" Dragon

nervous dragon or smth
Same but I never watched the whole thing 'cause it would make me bored...
 

Rayd

profound asshole
really doesn't take a whole lot to make a video like that and if it took you a video someone else made to realize all of these very obvious flaws in the fandom then you're part of the "hivemind."
 

Vic_the_Hard_Rock_Wolf

Well-Known Member
While I don't doubt or want to drag down his experiences, what struck me in his videos was the the monotonic negativity of it. Like in Kero's instance he completely dismissed the reaction the zoosadist group got from the majority of the fandom, and that "20% of furries fuck animals" statistic seems sketchy to me. It's clear from the video that he's going through some kind of stress or trauma, likely because of his association with the Kero episode and all that. With that said, I respect people who wish to leave the fandom but seeing how my personal experiences have been nothing like what he describes the majority of us being I can't but call that video one of his weakest. Because in the end the fandom is what one wants to make of it, I for instance like to go hang out in bars and play board games with local furries, make friends online and discuss whatever. While the over abundance of yiff art is more than obvious I've never let it overtake the non-sexual parts of my interaction with the fandom, and being quite honest I've come to enjoy the "SFW" parts of it even more lately.

So in a nutshell: people who fuck animals, jack off to cubs, sexually prey on others (especially minors), intentionally go around creating drama or spreading STDs, whore for attention or popularity etc. can go remove themselves from the gene pool for all I care. Accusing the whole community of such awful things however feels highly unjustified to me.
 
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Lesson: Don’t get involved in drama
Imo, a lot of drama he faced was because he tried to get involved himself, people only want to prove their point(and some will go to extreme lengths to) it’s not often their willing to learn/expand perspective. It’s a whole me vs them perspective.

And, you can’t paint a whole community off of some people’s actions.
Despite the community being ‘toxic’ I’ve met some really nice and cool people here
 
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Scales42

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Yeah, this video left me in a pretty depressing state aswell. But there are many points that I simply dont agree with, furries lacking social skills, furries looking for attention etc.

I think it completely depends on the people you interact with in the fandom, and while I wont deny that the fandom has serious issues, many of the things he adressed havent been my experience... and I'd like it to stay that way.
 

Ravofox

back to Aussie foxying!
Thing is, absolutely nothing in the world is without issues or controversy. Cars crash everyday, does that mean you should stop driving a car? The furry community is much, much more than all the drama, it's just that the drama is what everyone focuses on.
 

Ravofox

back to Aussie foxying!
Not the best analogy in my book.

Yeah, i realize it wasn't the best! A better analogy is probably sports clubs actually. Fans and players can stir up all kinds of mayhem, but many people don't let it distract them from the enjoyment of going to matches. If you feel like you want to distance yourself from it, that's no problem. Do what you want to do:)
 

Toby_Morpheus

Hello, Proto
After watching it and deliberating with the bf, we both sorta agree that even though Koth may have had a bad experience, there's not a whole lot in the video besides anecdotes and questionable evidence (for example, the STD chart in the video is admitted to be inaccurate by Koth in the credits)
I feel really bad that he's had these experiences and I don't blame him for wanting to leave, but I think in his fervor, he may be a little bit hyperbolic.

It also sounds like the furry community took up way too much personal time of his and he himself accepted that it would be really good to put all this behind him and go out and find more productive things to do.
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
So I think the problem here is just that Kothorix is a person selling some very nasty ideas that make people unhappy about themselves.

Kothorix isn't the sort of man I would recommend you place your trust in. When I pointed out a scientific error to him, in a video he made about climate change, he accused me of being part of a conspiracy to make governments worried about climate change so that scientists could embezzle research money and enrich ourselves.

I make £14,500 a year, having turned down a £27,000 a year job in order to do this research job!

So yeah...just ignore Kothorix and enjoy yourself and like, feel happy. Don't worry about him; he's nuttier than a vegan christmas.
 

Toby_Morpheus

Hello, Proto
So I think the problem here is just that Kothorix is a person selling some very nasty ideas that make people unhappy about themselves.

Kothorix isn't the sort of man I would recommend you place your trust in. When I pointed out a scientific error to him, in a video he made about climate change, he accused me of being part of a conspiracy to make governments worried about climate change so that scientists could embezzle research money and enrich ourselves.

I make £14,500 a year, having turned down a £27,000 a year job in order to do this research job!

So yeah...just ignore Kothorix and enjoy yourself and like, feel happy. Don't worry about him; he's nuttier than a vegan christmas.
It's generally not a good idea to ignore someone's claims based on completely irrelevant claims, regardless of how incorrect they might have been.

Thoughts need to stand on their own merits.
 

Shadow of Bucephalus

Banned
Banned
If anyone chooses to focus on the negative of a fandom?
That's what they're going to see, obsess over, and eventually come to accept as what said fandom is all about.

I don't see the entirety of the Furry Fandom as being overrun by degenerates that prey on children, animals, or the dead bodies of animals (damn, but necrophilia freaks me the hell out like almost nothing else can!).

I get that people become overwhelmed, suffer burn-out, and need to take time off (or totally quit), and start another path. Kudos to them.

Evaluate the facts, make your choice, and move-on.

Don't let one person's actions command you. That's a very myopic and dangerous way to live.
 

Fallowfox

Are we moomin, or are we dancer?
It's generally not a good idea to ignore someone's claims based on completely irrelevant claims, regardless of how incorrect they might have been.

Thoughts need to stand on their own merits.

You agree with me anyway that Kothorix's claims about furries being all of these horrible things are bullplop.

This isn't a matter where we have to commit to a formal investigation of his claims anyway. We're in the territory of 'obvious fruitcake'.

If anyone chooses to focus on the negative of a fandom?
That's what they're going to see, obsess over, and eventually come to accept as what said fandom is all about.

I don't see the entirety of the Furry Fandom as being overrun by degenerates that prey on children, animals, or the dead bodies of animals (damn, but necrophilia freaks me the hell out like almost nothing else can!).

I get that people become overwhelmed, suffer burn-out, and need to take time off (or totally quit), and start another path. Kudos to them.

Evaluate the facts, make your choice, and move-on.

Don't let one person's actions command you. That's a very myopic and dangerous way to live.

Somebody watched me a few weeks ago and their art gallery had porn of 'dead' furries in it.
Creepy as hell!

But I remember that I have like >1000 watchers and that's the first one I've had who's creepy-sauce.
 

Toby_Morpheus

Hello, Proto
You agree with me anyway that Kothorix's claims about furries being all of these horrible things are bullplop.

This isn't a matter where we have to commit to a formal investigation of his claims anyway. We're in the territory of 'obvious fruitcake'.
I'm surprised that someone of apparently higher intelligence would stoop so low as to commit to an ad-hominem argument.
 

Slytherin Umbreon

Black Lives Matter
I feel like a lot of his points are things we already knew about, but that either they were worse/more frequent then we thought or that Koth just gets hit way harder by it then we do because of his... I dunno, 'prominence?' and being vocal.
 

Simo

Professional Watermelon Farmer
Never heard of this Kothorix guy. Sounds really crabby.

But ranting you-tube furry videos are one part of the fandom I totally ignore...I'd much rather be writing some paragraphs for a good RP, and savor the anticipation when I see a reply, chat with friends, look at art, write, and plan out ideas for comics...if I can ever find an artist, to collaborate with! :)

These kind of videos are just not for me; life's way, way too short for me to dwell on the rantings of drama-loving popufurs.

This also reminds me of a term I have used sometimes:

Negafurs: furs who spend most of their time in the fandom bitching, complaining, and being crotchety, ornery and self loathing. I have never got this. If you can't find a niche in the fandom...and there are many...maybe try a new hobby? o_O
 
I feel like a lot of his points are things we already knew about, but that either they were worse/more frequent then we thought or that Koth just gets hit way harder by it then we do because of his... I dunno, 'prominence?' and being vocal.
I’d assume the latter, like I stated earlier; He tried to get involved with drama and controversies, so I could see him getting a higher amount of these issues
 

Toby_Morpheus

Hello, Proto
By the way, I didn't notice if this was said before but...
You don't stop being a furry because you stop participating in the social sphere.
You can still enjoy making art, watching old Disney movies, w/e you do without associating with the social aspects.

There are things I absolutely love of which you won't find me dead within their fandoms.
 
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