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Tenné

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ConorHyena said:
Talking about me - I pay for my music. I buy records or CDs because on my stereo, MP3s just sound total crap. Despite the fact that I can get it for free. I am techically able to circumvent most modern anti-theft systems on most cars, I still don't do it. It's stealing and it's morally wrong.

The act of uploading something is reprehensible in itself, but it does not change the fact that downloading it is still morally wrong. wrong plus wrong does not equal right, it stays wrong.

This is a typical example of the lack of morality the internet and the crowd mentality instils, and I find it wrong, and I find it morally wrong that you attempt to defend what is clearly theft by attempting to lay blame at the door of youtube or the "record companies" or the person who uploaded it. Even if you are right this does not change the reprehensibility of your action.

If I go nick your car because I can quite easily do so, I can't blame you for buying it and the car maker for making it, thus making my illegal action possible in the first place.

Technicalities about victimless crimes aside.
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Also, ads exist on YouTube music videos but not the phone, so it is stealing ad revenue when videos are ripped. People are too used to services online having no immediate monetary transactions and assuming that funding comes from thin air. Frustrating to say the least.
 
Joni

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ConorHyena

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Tenné said:
Also, ads exist on YouTube music videos but not the phone, so it is stealing ad revenue when videos are ripped. People are too used to services online having no immediate monetary transactions and assuming that funding comes from thin air. Frustrating to say the least.
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Youtube pays licensing fees to record companies for most of the music uploaded as well. But those are technicalities, while my point was about the moral implications.
 
Tenné

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ConorHyena said:
Youtube pays licensing fees to record companies for most of the music uploaded as well. But those are technicalities, while my point was about the moral implications.
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Are there any moral implications without those technicalities though? If it really is a victimless crime, then it's not immoral. The problem is that a lot of so-called victimless crimes actually do have victims, and I'm pointing it out in this case.
 
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This makes me think back to the Napster battle.


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ConorHyena

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Tenné said:
Are there any moral implications without those technicalities though? If it really is a victimless crime, then it's not immoral. The problem is that a lot of so-called victimless crimes actually do have victims, and I'm pointing it out in this case.
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Going very deep into law theory here, but there's actually no such thing as a victimless crime, due to the way criminal law is set up.

In this case, of course, it's not a victimless crime at all. Downloading stuff without permission is a breach of copyright, and hurts the copyright holders revenue. This has a direct victim, and therefor qualifies.
 
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ConorHyena said:
Going very deep into law theory here, but there's actually no such thing as a victimless crime, due to the way criminal law is set up.

In this case, of course, it's not a victimless crime at all. Downloading stuff without permission is a breach of copyright, and hurts the copyright holders revenue. This has a direct victim, and therefor qualifies.
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Hey you guys think whatcha want
I'm just saying what my thoughts are based on how my personal life experience
 
Existenceinanutshell

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Draäkc said:
Hey you guys think whatcha want
I'm just saying what my thoughts are based on how my personal life experience
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And I say I agree with ya.

I think it's really stupid honestly how, so many furries on this website get heated over other people's thoughts and opinions.
 
Tenné

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ConorHyena said:
Going very deep into law theory here, but there's actually no such thing as a victimless crime, due to the way criminal law is set up.

In this case, of course, it's not a victimless crime at all. Downloading stuff without permission is a breach of copyright, and hurts the copyright holders revenue. This has a direct victim, and therefor qualifies.
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I think it's an interesting philosophical topic at least. I don't really know how deep into morality law theory is, since that kind of stuff isn't really part of my bubble.

Suppose you've stolen an apple from a supermarket. The supermarket already expects some loss due to spoilage and theft, and accounts for it. The employees wouldn't really care that much if one apple was missing. For all purposes it would be fine. So why is it immoral?

The way I reason about it is: Stealing one apple doesn't particularly matter, but if there is a culture around stealing apples from supermarkets where a lot of people do it, then it's a big problem. You can never steal the apple in a vacuum -- there will always be unintended consequences. For example, someone might see you take an apple, and that will give them courage to do so too.

The same would apply to piracy. The guy in the text image actually does actively encourage it, so it's extra immoral.
 
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RafflesHolmes said:
And I say I agree with ya.

I think it's really stupid honestly how, so many furries on this website get heated over other people's thoughts and opinions.
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I just proved that with my Beatles argument yesterday
 
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