no the rules are nice guy personality ill fitting out of style suit and fedora and living with your parents
that's what you MUST find attractive
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no the rules are nice guy personality ill fitting out of style suit and fedora and living with your parents
that's what you MUST find attractive
WithMyBearHands
Smudge and arrogant
It’s honestly the historic period inaccuracy that kills me. “M’lady” stoppedbeing a thing around the 20th century, fedoras are going “see here” and “dame” and if you must refer to women in a callous, douchey way, they’re “classy broads”.
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WithMyBearHands
Smudge and arrogant
OhmyGOD I’m gonna cryNOT GOD DAMN IT THESE ARE THE PINNACLE OF FASHION AND PURE SEXUAL DESIRE!!!
NOT GOD DAMN IT THESE ARE THE PINNACLE OF FASHION AND PURE SEXUAL DESIRE!!!
The captions make me cringe, but they at least do more than wearing fingerless gloves with a grease-stained shirt and cargo shorts so I need to give them some points.
Cawdabra
Well-Known Member
Eliminating the idea that you're a loser until you have sex is a good starting point methinks.
quoting_mungo
Well-Known Member
Only if you let outside forces define the groups. Which you seem pretty eager to do.
MRAs and PUAs don't, generally, like each other much. Because PUAs are kinda awful (and give men a bad name), and because if you ask prominent PUA communities like eg Return of Kings, MRAs are a bunch of wusses.
Most, no. More, though? I find that pretty darn likely. The point is more that polarization increases radicalization.
I have no fucking idea how that's your take-away from my post. I've said nothing about the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of incels' complaints. I'm simply saying that they're not by definition MRAs, and the two communities have very little in common. If you're referring to the "depressingly plausible" line, that was more "it's sad that people try PUA tactics, sadder that they expect success, and sadder still that they proceed to get mad that shitty tactics don't guarantee them sex".
Most MRAs aren't particularly concerned with getting laid, at least not in a way that relates to their activism.
mungo just stop i lurked the incel reddit posts for years they were all about "i want to get laid" and bragging about hiring hot hookers just stop its not activism
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lupi900
Guest
Yeah it pretty much just a angrier /r/Foreveralone before being banned. Gotta love non-reddit users thinking they know more than redditors.
Allot of the crazier shit was done on other subs, because there was more than just /r/Incel around.
there was one thread talking about how they hired hookers and then physically abused them if they wanted to get paid to take their "revenge" out on random people
to be clear no sexual assault just really rough
WithMyBearHands
Smudge and arrogant
I literally do not know a single person who actually thinks that.
It was kinda prevalent when I was in high school. Not super widespread, but mostly among the stoner groups.
There's only so many ways you can say "Incel =/= MRA"
It makes about as much sense as comparing them to MGTOW (Men Go Their Own Way), which is the extreme opposite of the Incel; that men should avoid meaningful ties with women altogether for various reasons.
WithMyBearHands
Smudge and arrogant
That’s high school, though. Not the real world. Nothing really matters after high school, and definitely don’t worry about the jocks that peaked in their junior year.
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Oakie-Dokie
Guest
my point is why don't men just get their act together and act like actual men instead of pre-pubescent teens (sorry pre-pubescent teens) who either still believe in cooties or think they've got the longest dick in the world and can do whatever the hell they want.
On what merit?
There is a line to be drawn when it comes to things like this. Not only is it sexist, self-deprecating, pointless, absurd, stupidest thing i've seen in a while, it's just downright wrong.
A lot of "nice guys" tend to mistake being kind and restrained with being passive and submissive and weak.
When their passiveness doesn't work they begin to feel they're entitled to the same sexual activity as other men who are far more aggressive.
Motivation is also a downfall for many passive men, because then they are motivated by sex, the same as those "bad men that women seem so fond of" except they're like the fox instead of the wolf, to use a metaphor dubbed by Malcom X; they pretend to be your friend before they devour you, rather than simply hunting you. Usually that backfires though, since of course, you have to actually consent to sex for it to be legal, and acting a part out isn't gonna be enough for most women.
A lot of Incel, I'll guarantee you, lack any assertive traits that make them tolerable for other people. Not that its necessarily their fault but they are the only ones who can alter it. An assertive man is going to be infinitely more attractive than a passive man or an unstable aggressive man.
I will admit with shame that I rocked a fedora for a year in high school....
*cringes*
WithMyBearHands
Smudge and arrogant
Was it a fedora or a trilby? There is an important difference.
WithMyBearHands
Smudge and arrogant
I think a lot of people misunderstand the importance of sex in general. Celibacy is not a bad thing. Not preferable, but not bad. Keep in mind that Nikola Tesla was celibate, and one of the greatest minds of modern history. The problem is demanding sex because you think it’s owed for whatever reason. It isn’t. It’s not owed to anyone, and that way of thinking is toxic and worrisome enough for me to have law enforcement on speed dial. No, I’m not kidding.
WithMyBearHands
Smudge and arrogant
Last time I heard of someone with that mindset, they were being investigated for a Jack the Ripper murder.
Actually I think it was a trilby now that I think about it.
Troj
Your Friendly Neighborhood Dino Therapist
Truly, nothing says "snowflake" quite like "I DESERVE SEX AND EVERYBODY ELSE ISN'T PLAYING FAIR WAAAAAH." Once you've adopted that narrative, your dignity is toast.
Sexual frustration isn't the problem here, entitlement is. The secondary problem is that our society tends to frame all intimacy as sexual, so lonely people come to believe that what they want is sex, when they really just want closeness. In many places, men are also still teased and shamed for having "chick" feelings, like the desire for closeness.
I'm glad normies are waking up to how scary incels and their ilk are. Truly, they're the epitome of "hurt people hurt people."
Sexual frustration isn't the problem here, entitlement is. The secondary problem is that our society tends to frame all intimacy as sexual, so lonely people come to believe that what they want is sex, when they really just want closeness. In many places, men are also still teased and shamed for having "chick" feelings, like the desire for closeness.
I'm glad normies are waking up to how scary incels and their ilk are. Truly, they're the epitome of "hurt people hurt people."
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TrishaCat
The Cat in the FAF
Does it being a desire for sex versus a desire for closeness really make much of a difference?
Meeting and finding people to care for you is an incredibly difficult thing to achieve. I imagine many of these people know they're lonely and know they desire intimacy, but through their own frustration and inability to achieve it, wind up this way.
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