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Mass Effect 2: Great Game, Or GREATEST Game?

CryoScales

Devourer of Worlds
Monsters want eat universe. Shepard go kill monsters. No, Shepard cannot join said monsters, even if the player character finds Saren's argumentation convincing, because the writer arbitrarily says so.

Why would you want to join said monsters. Saren's indoctrinated, meaning brainwashed by a race of machines that you spent the entire game fighting. Shepard's entire purpose for being a SPECTRE was to kill Saren. Saren himself isn't entirely convinced about it, which causes Sovereign to implant him even more. Said monsters want to kill every living being in the galaxy. Sovereign just lied to Saren in order to use him to do so. How exactly would Saren's argument be convincing? It's either "Let the machines kill all living things", or "fight back against the machines"

It's like wanting to team up with the drunk guy at the bar who has pulled a knife on you. Sure he may claim he only wants to castrate you, but anyone with common sense who isn't drunk out of their mind would know he's lying.
 
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CryoScales

Devourer of Worlds
shit is pretty cool, though the game is already massive, I'd hate to see how big the DLC is ._.

I believe this is in response to the fact Dragon Age Origins launched with a few simple items as DLC, but everyone hated them as it wasn't worth the 2 or so dollars for some small items. So I think here, it's just going to be a few extra items and perhaps a party member for a dollar or two. Eventually they'll go with a small quest with an interesting party member at the end of it for 15 dollars

(Lol Shale reference)
 

Holsety

Member
I believe this is in response to the fact Dragon Age Origins launched with a few simple items as DLC, but everyone hated them as it wasn't worth the 2 or so dollars for some small items. So I think here, it's just going to be a few extra items and perhaps a party member for a dollar or two. Eventually they'll go with a small quest with an interesting party member at the end of it for 15 dollars

(Lol Shale reference)

the article said:
Those who purchase the title new will receive exclusive access to the 'The Cerberus Network,' an in-game pipeline for downloadable content, as well as daily messages and news on upcoming releases for the game at no additional cost.
though it could be horrible wording and they mean the network and messages have no cost.
 

CryoScales

Devourer of Worlds
though it could be horrible wording and they mean the network and messages have no cost.

Yeah knowing Bioware and it is EA, it would be the Network at no cost, yet the DLC would be rediculously overpriced

(Lol Shale and Warden's Keep reference)
 

CaptainCool

Lady of the lake
i dont htink there will be good DLC for ME2... the 2 DLCs for the first game sucked and were way too expensive for what they gave you. i guess it will be the same for the sequel. id love to be wrong though :p
 

CryoScales

Devourer of Worlds
i dont htink there will be good DLC for ME2... the 2 DLCs for the first game sucked and were way too expensive for what they gave you. i guess it will be the same for the sequel. id love to be wrong though :p

I disagree as to the first one sucking. I enjoyed the whole asteroid thing as it was what the subquests SHOULD have been. It was interesting for a good half hour and I still play it, if only to get Collosus armor for free at level 30.

Originally they planned to fill the entire galaxy with downloadable planets and the like. With Mass Effect 2 since they are revamping the gameplay it's not hard to believe they would shift development.
 

Holsety

Member
Yeah knowing Bioware and it is EA, it would be the Network at no cost, yet the DLC would be rediculously overpriced

(Lol Shale and Warden's Keep reference)
I think if that were the case they'd have more carefully worded the article, maybe EA has realized they can't compete with actiblizzard's money whoring ways and are trying to be the "sorta okay" guys :V
 

CryoScales

Devourer of Worlds
I think if that were the case they'd have more carefully worded the article, maybe EA has realized they can't compete with actiblizzard's money whoring ways and are trying to be the "sorta okay" guys :V

Lol your talking about EA. The guys that the video game industry hated more then Activision a few years ago. The only reason people hate Activision is because of Bobby Kotick's insane ultra capitalist ideals. If EA wants to stand a chance against Activision's mega Call of Duty fanbase it needs to nickle and dime us for every penny we have.

I mean look at the power Activision has. It made boycotting fans buy the game anyway.
 

Kommodore

well what is it?
I wish they would release a bit more information on how the loading thing works. I have several profiles, but none of them have the appropriate "endings" or lead-up events in them. I wonder if I can load a profile but still choose what events happened in the beginning of ME2, as that would save me two more playthroughs.
 
J

Jelly

Guest
I thought the effects of the first one were supposed to show up in ME2 thanks to your save data.

just like in ME1 when you were supposed to be able to tell people to shut up mid statement
 

Mikael Grizzly

Creepy Stalker
Why would you want to join said monsters. Saren's indoctrinated, meaning brainwashed by a race of machines that you spent the entire game fighting. Shepard's entire purpose for being a SPECTRE was to kill Saren. Saren himself isn't entirely convinced about it, which causes Sovereign to implant him even more. Said monsters want to kill every living being in the galaxy. Sovereign just lied to Saren in order to use him to do so. How exactly would Saren's argument be convincing? It's either "Let the machines kill all living things", or "fight back against the machines"

It's like wanting to team up with the drunk guy at the bar who has pulled a knife on you. Sure he may claim he only wants to castrate you, but anyone with common sense who isn't drunk out of their mind would know he's lying.

It's an RPG. Why shouldn't I be allowed to make mistakes? That's as stupid as Bethesda's self-imposed "NPCs can't lie to the player" rule.
 

CryoScales

Devourer of Worlds
It's an RPG. Why shouldn't I be allowed to make mistakes? That's as stupid as Bethesda's self-imposed "NPCs can't lie to the player" rule.

In this case it`s more the ``If I have a sword why can`t I all of the sudden kill my companions and then proceed to swallow my own head?`` or better yet. ``why can`t I find a school in Liberty City and go on a school shooting?``

It`s more stuff they really don`t want to code into the game because it wouldn`t make sense. Bethesda is already a bitch of a company so you don`t really have to care about them. But with Bioware, your playing as a secret agent style soldier. I think since he is so very well educated and disciplined, (as Shepard no matter what background you chose has already been with the military for over 10 years). So in this case it wouldn`t make sense for Shepard all of the sudden to join the murderous machines that want to kill him.

Oh and not to mention Sovereign and the Reapers have already killed many humans, both through the Geth and by turning them into Husks. So in this case it would be like wanting to team up with the drunk guy at the bar who has pulled a knife on you. Yet you realize he is also that guy who raped your wife and proceeded to murder your children a few seconds later. It`s an attempt to put common sense in a game. Something that is seriously lacking in Mass Effect ironically. Since with Saren, his entire belief is he will prevent the Reapers from taking control of the galaxy. Yet he is the only reason they actually have the potential to do so. Since the activation for the Citadel`s Mass Relay would only be accessible by someone pressing the big red button in the Council Chambers. Something Shepard really should have told him.

Also, have you ever noticed Bioware never actually specifies why the Reapers go on a murderous rampage across the galaxy every 5000 years or so? As it doesn`t make sense for a race of tactical geniuses who invented space exploration to kill every single race that discovers it after them time and time again, and devote their entire existence to doing so.

At least with KOTOR you know Malak wants to take over the galaxy with the Star Forge. Bioware I am disappoint.
 
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Kyoujin

SOCK GOES WHAR?
I thought the effects of the first one were supposed to show up in ME2 thanks to your save data.

just like in ME1 when you were supposed to be able to tell people to shut up mid statement

They do, hell.. even the annoying Conrad ("The Fan") will be returning in this game. Your classes and stats will start from level 1 pretty much, but the opening of the game will explain why, etc.
 

CryoScales

Devourer of Worlds
They do, hell.. even the annoying Conrad ("The Fan") will be returning in this game. Your classes and stats will start from level 1 pretty much, but the opening of the game will explain why, etc.

Well the classes and stats thing I would see for consistency reasons. They already don`t want the players to be at level 99 at the beginning of the sequel. Plus the classes and stats thing has been remade anyway.

I enjoyed Conrad Verner`s thing on the Citadel. He wasn`t that big of a Random Fan like in Oblivion. More like he was just a misguided individual who you could either tell off politely, and he would return to Earth thanking you. Or you could tell him to fuck off by putting a gun to his face.
 

Mikael Grizzly

Creepy Stalker
In this case it`s more the ``If I have a sword why can`t I all of the sudden kill my companions and then proceed to swallow my own head?`` or better yet. ``why can`t I find a school in Liberty City and go on a school shooting?``

It`s more stuff they really don`t want to code into the game because it wouldn`t make sense. Bethesda is already a bitch of a company so you don`t really have to care about them. But with Bioware, your playing as a secret agent style soldier. I think since he is so very well educated and disciplined, (as Shepard no matter what background you chose has already been with the military for over 10 years). So in this case it wouldn`t make sense for Shepard all of the sudden to join the murderous machines that want to kill him.

It's *my* character. I can shoot civilians in the face and tell my superiors to fuck off, but somehow, I am not allowed to defect, simply because the writer doesn't allow me to.

It's not a problem with the setting (as there are hundreds of explanations, all boiling down to player choice), it's a problem with the unwillingness to give the player an actual choice.

When Saren's persuading you, your only options are "No", "Fuck no" and "GEE GOLLY JEEPERS no". Why give the illusion of a choice, if you're going to be forced to accept the writer's choice?

I want to choose who Shepard is. If he's a cold-blooded psychopath who masked himself well enough to become a Spectre and fuck the world, I want to be able to make a choice that reflects the fact thet he's a cold-blooded psychopath who masked himself well enough to become a Spectre and fuck the world.

Oh and not to mention Sovereign and the Reapers have already killed many humans, both through the Geth and by turning them into Husks. So in this case it would be like wanting to team up with the drunk guy at the bar who has pulled a knife on you. Yet you realize he is also that guy who raped your wife and proceeded to murder your children a few seconds later. It`s an attempt to put common sense in a game. Something that is seriously lacking in Mass Effect ironically. Since with Saren, his entire belief is he will prevent the Reapers from taking control of the galaxy. Yet he is the only reason they actually have the potential to do so. Since the activation for the Citadel`s Mass Relay would only be accessible by someone pressing the big red button in the Council Chambers. Something Shepard really should have told him.

It's all the more reason to be able to join the Sovereign:

They have killed so many humans effortlessly -> they are godlike -> I have no chance to defeat them -> Where do I sign, Mr Sovereign?

Again, I'm shooting civvies and devouring kittens to get the job done. Yet I show a surprising amount of spine when it comes to choosing.

Also, have you ever noticed Bioware never actually specifies why the Reapers go on a murderous rampage across the galaxy every 5000 years or so? As it doesn`t make sense for a race of tactical geniuses who invented space exploration to kill every single race that discovers it after them time and time again, and devote their entire existence to doing so.

Maybe they're just really hungry.

At least with KOTOR you know Malak wants to take over the galaxy with the Star Forge. Bioware I am disappoint.

KotOR2 did a better job at explaining the Jedi Civil War, a lot better than what Bioware ever did.
 

CryoScales

Devourer of Worlds
They have killed so many humans effortlessly -> they are godlike -> I have no chance to defeat them -> Where do I sign, Mr Sovereign?

Except for the fact you just heard Vigil state many times over his Indoctrinated followers would be killed anyway, as well as the fact an entire species was eradicated and you spent the entire game convincing the council of their existence so you could build a fleet against them. So in this case it`s kinda like wanting your Jedi Exile to all of the sudden at the end of the game whilst facing Kreia to agree to her killing of you and destroying of the force.
 

Holsety

Member
It's *my* character.
except its not your character, its shepard.

its not like this game was advertised as the end all of open ended plots, god forbid a plot have some form of consistency to it.
 
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Mikael Grizzly

Creepy Stalker
Except for the fact you just heard Vigil state many times over his Indoctrinated followers would be killed anyway, as well as the fact an entire species was eradicated and you spent the entire game convincing the council of their existence so you could build a fleet against them. So in this case it`s kinda like wanting your Jedi Exile to all of the sudden at the end of the game whilst facing Kreia to agree to her killing of you and destroying of the force.

You're basing this off the version of the plot that shipped, that obviously won't contain any way to side with Saren.

If Bioware did make such an option available, then there'd be the possibility to subvert all these efforts (for example, send the fleet on a wild goose chase away from the Citadel, giving Sovereign free reign over the relay system and enough time to complete his mission).
 

CryoScales

Devourer of Worlds
You're basing this off the version of the plot that shipped, that obviously won't contain any way to side with Saren.

Yes lets make an ending to a game for a plotline that doesn't appear in it. That wouldn't confuse people.
 
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